Tie knots and dimples

[bhsup]

So how do you tie your tie and why?

I personally prefer the four-in-hand knot without a dimple. Why? Because I like the angled look of the knot the four-in-hand gives and I cannot stand dimples in ties. Dimples look sloppy to me, though I know a lot of people consider them fashionable.

Poll only includes the windsor, half-windsor, and four-in-hand by name because I think those by far the most popular. If you use one of the more rare knots, please vote other and detail your knot.

Bowtie included out of respect for the 11th Doctor.

EDIT: For those of you who just tie it like dad taught you and don't know what the knot is, here are wiki links which have diagrams:
Four-in-hand
Half-windsor
Windsor

 

[Flying Pig]

Windsor knot. The four-in-hand just makes you look like a schoolboy who ties his tie because he has to, and who wants to be known as a man who does things by halves?

 

[Yeekim]

Windsor, obviously.

 

[bhsup]

Windsor knot. The four-in-hand just makes you look like a schoolboy who ties his tie because he has to, and who wants to be known as a man who does things by halves?

That's actually funny because my dad taught me the windsor, but it was the USMC in boot camp that taught me the four-in-hand!

 

[Flying Pig]

Pah. We always tied our Service Dress ties in a Windsor, although I'll admit to using a four-in-hand in my battledress when I was too young to know better... yes, I'm old enough to have worn battledress with a tie.

 

[JollyRoger]

Depends on what time of day I am tying the tie. The later in the day, the more likely I will be consulting a bondage handbook.

 

[Disgustipated]

I can't tell from the pictures the difference between a half windsor and a 4 in hand. I'm not sure which way I do. I don't remember what they taught is in boot camp. We have 2 different types of ties in the Navy. The only regular tie we use is on the working blues uniform.

The only job I had to wear a tie was back when I was in high school.

 

[Borachio]

Haha. This took me ages to work out. Seems like I'm losing my mind, and I couldn't remember - even went to root one out of a cupboard. But it is over 12 years since I last wore one, and only under protest then.

But 4-in-hand, simplest, is it.

Only toffs, and those pretending to be one, would
1) wear a tie ;
2) tie it in a knot anything other than the simplest.

Anyone disagreeing with me on this is a member of the fascist fashionista of the highest order.

(Not that I'm bigoted, mind you.)

But really, what a mental form of garment! A real health and safety hazard of the first water. Get the loose end caught in a piece of machinery, go on! And doctors are beginning to stop wearing the bloomin' things because of the contamination hazard.

A symbol of class oppression at its most blatant. Though why the toffs think they should put their own necks in the noose is beyond me.

(Please note: I don't feel all that strongly about this subject. But honestly. Mentalism or what?)



Bring back celluloid wing collars, why don't you?

Come to that, I did have a rather nice silk tie that tied in a rather fetching fat knot, though I say it myself. But that was me making the best of a bad situation.

 

[Flying Pig]

Only toffs, and those pretending to be one, would
1) wear a tie ;
2) tie it in a knot anything other than the simplest.

If you work in a job that means spending most of your day sat down at a desk, you almost certainly ought to be wearing a tie to work - you can do without only when said job is physical, or involves working outside, or with machinery; or where it poses a hygene hazard.

In what way does wearing a tie aid you to do any work?

It shows you're professional, disciplined, motivated to some extent, and part of a workforce which shares those values. Creating a good impression is vital in customer-facing jobs or those which require you to negotiate or liase with outsiders, and a smart, professional dress code sets the tone for an office which means that the people there will be more disciplined and generally more professional than if they were wearing jeans and t-shirts to work.

 

[Borachio]

In what way does wearing a tie aid you to do any work?

 

[MobBoss]

I typically use the simple 4 in hand but for some reason the way I do it, it ends up looking more like a half windsor.

 

[_random_]

I typically do a Pratt, because I like to be different.

 

[Zelig]

I do a half windsor.

If you work in a job that means spending most of your day sat down at a desk, you almost certainly ought to be wearing a tie to work - you can do without only when said job is physical, or involves working outside, or with machinery; or where it poses a hygene hazard.



It shows you're professional, disciplined, motivated to some extent, and part of a workforce which shares those values. Creating a good impression is vital in customer-facing jobs or those which require you to negotiate or liase with outsiders, and a smart, professional dress code sets the tone for an office which means that the people there will be more disciplined and generally more professional than if they were wearing jeans and t-shirts to work.

I'd be the only person in my office to wear a tie.

 

[Borachio]

It shows you're professional, disciplined, motivated to some extent, and part of a workforce which shares those values. Creating a good impression is vital in customer-facing jobs or those which require you to negotiate or liase with outsiders, and a smart, professional dress code sets the tone for an office which means that the people there will be more disciplined and generally more professional than if they were wearing jeans and t-shirts to work.

This is the standard narrative about dress codes, yes. But they don't impress me much. Because they put appearance before performance - and really I'm only interested in the latter.

Let's not forget that a monkey in silk is still a monkey.

So, confronted by a company that showed sufficient confidence not to waste time and effort with appearances might impress me much more.

A collar and tie is a handicap, and a waste of human resources. It's a hangover from earlier, more primitive times. Real lunacy.

It's only recently that most UK firms have decided they no longer require their female staff to wear skirts. The collar and tie deserves the same fate and eventually it will meet it. IMHO.

 

[Disgustipated]

Yeah I see no reason why office workers should have to wear a tie. Slacks and a good collared shirt yes, but tie?- no.

My job is on the technician side, so a tie is something I only wear to job interviews.

I feel for all you suckers who have to wear a tie every day. I couldn't imagine working in an office. What do you do if you have to fart? It's a crude question, and I know it sounds silly, but it's one reason I never considered an office job. Anyways, what does a tie do for you? If you have an important meeting, I can understand wearing a tie. but just doing general office work? - no.

 

[JollyRoger]

Why slacks and a good collared shirt if you can get the job done naked?

 

[Flying Pig]

Let's not forget that a monkey in silk is still a monkey.

Actually, this is an interesting one; I'll use the example of military uniforms to make the point. On one level, the uniform provides a discriminator; you can tell how disciplined and motivated a man is by the shine on his boots, the sharpness of his creases, the shape of his beret, and so on. In a world where everyone is extremely disciplined by civilian standards, it's a good way to size somebody up instantly. Yet it also provides a leveller - if you saw one man in a hoodie with his jeans around his knees on the street, and another in clean, smart attire, you would naturally make judgements about them and definitely be inclined to take the second man more seriously, whereas when they both wear the same uniform you're forced to take them on their merits.

 

[Disgustipated]

Why slacks and a good collared shirt if you can get the job done naked?

I wouldn't be getting any job done with naked female employees walking around.

 

[Grisu]

I hardly ever need to use a tie anymore (thankfully) but when I do, I use the half-windsor (though I had no idea it was called that)

In what way does wearing a tie aid you to do any work?

It impresses guys who value that kind of thing In my line of work, I'd actually assume someone wearing a tie to be less professional than the guy in blue jeans and shirt.

 

[JollyRoger]

I wouldn't be getting any job done with naked female employees walking around.

So wearing a tie makes you one step further away from being naked and thus one step further away from being useless as an employee.