Time to get rid of the Monarchy?

Should the UK get rid of the Monarchy?

  • Yes

    Votes: 33 42.3%
  • No

    Votes: 26 33.3%
  • Radioactive monkeys should rule all countries

    Votes: 19 24.4%

  • Total voters
    78
If they've kept the religion, customs, etc...of their ancestors...they're not "unfamiliar" with their homelands.
Oh? My family kept some Swedish and Norwegian customs, but it took a hell of a lot of persuasion on my part to convince my grandfather to teach me any Swedish. He kept insisting that he was Canadian now and in Canada people speak English (he never learned a word of French). I thought that a bit hypocritical, since he kept getting letters and cards from his sister, and they were all in Swedish. I didn't think it out of line to want to learn enough to read a friggin' Christmas card!

So he taught me some, enough to read Christmas cards, the occasional letter that he received from his sister and the ones my grandmother received from a cousin. That doesn't mean I'd fare all that well if you were to drop me in the middle of anywhere in Sweden. I can barely speak half a dozen words of the language (reading vs. speaking... it's like that with French as well; I read it much better than I speak it).

Only if you believe that "Rift Valley theory".
I go with the evidence. That's where the current evidence points. No, Genesis is not evidence, and the bible is not a valid science text.

I know what sarcasm is.
It doesn't appear that you do, going by other people's posts.

My reaction to that:
I prefer to converse in words, not videos or gifs that have no meaning for me. I don't do most pop culture, so whatever you were attempting and failing to communicate would best be put into real words if you want me to know what you meant.

I would rather eat boerewors than monkey brains.
Are you suggesting that eating anything from a culture not your own is disgusting? (not that I'd want monkey brains either) So I take it that you've never had pizza, and the thought of pizza sickens you utterly because it's foreign? Ditto Chinese food, or anything else not made in your own kitchen or that your mom used to make for you? Not even ice cream?

Disgusting.
You realize that breastfeeding a baby is how the baby gets nutrition, right? You also realize that if it disgusts you, you have the option not to look, right?

Furthermore, here's something to think about regarding your stated preference to marry someone exactly like you (presumably you'd want not only a local woman, but one untainted with "progressive" thoughts and willing to be your doormat in all things related to religion, domestic issues, and willingness to have as many offspring as YOU want, never mind what she would want or that would be medically safe for her: I daresay that there might be a time or two that you would see her topless. However will you cope with that! HORRORS! :run:
 
An apolitical, figurehead monarchy like Britain's? Yes.
britain's monarchy is not apolitical, but ok:
apolitical monarchy (if it existed) is centrist
figurehead monarchy (which... kinda exists yea; there's no actual figurehead but it's what it's called) is centrist

honestly figurehead monarchy being centrist kind of makes sense
 
Oh? My family kept some Swedish and Norwegian customs, but it took a hell of a lot of persuasion on my part to convince my grandfather to teach me any Swedish. He kept insisting that he was Canadian now and in Canada people speak English (he never learned a word of French). I thought that a bit hypocritical, since he kept getting letters and cards from his sister, and they were all in Swedish. I didn't think it out of line to want to learn enough to read a friggin' Christmas card!
But I would assume your origin is not immediately obvious from the way you dress.
So he taught me some, enough to read Christmas cards, the occasional letter that he received from his sister and the ones my grandmother received from a cousin. That doesn't mean I'd fare all that well if you were to drop me in the middle of anywhere in Sweden. I can barely speak half a dozen words of the language (reading vs. speaking... it's like that with French as well; I read it much better than I speak it).
I have no interest in learning either of those languages.
I go with the evidence. That's where the current evidence points. No, Genesis is not evidence, and the bible is not a valid science text.
I have no desire to debate religion or creation with you.
It doesn't appear that you do, going by other people's posts.
I have no desire to debate sarcasm with you.
I prefer to converse in words, not videos or gifs that have no meaning for me. I don't do most pop culture, so whatever you were attempting and failing to communicate would best be put into real words if you want me to know what you meant.
OK.
Are you suggesting that eating anything from a culture not your own is disgusting? (not that I'd want monkey brains either) So I take it that you've never had pizza, and the thought of pizza sickens you utterly because it's foreign? Ditto Chinese food, or anything else not made in your own kitchen or that your mom used to make for you? Not even ice cream?
There's a difference between Westernized versions of foreign foods and actual foreign foods.
You realize that breastfeeding a baby is how the baby gets nutrition, right? You also realize that if it disgusts you, you have the option not to look, right?
Baby formula is a thing.
Furthermore, here's something to think about regarding your stated preference to marry someone exactly like you (presumably you'd want not only a local woman, but one untainted with "progressive" thoughts and willing to be your doormat in all things related to religion, domestic issues, and willingness to have as many offspring as YOU want, never mind what she would want or that would be medically safe for her: I daresay that there might be a time or two that you would see her topless. However will you cope with that! HORRORS! :run:
If she's my wife, and it's in private, that's okay.
britain's monarchy is not apolitical, but ok:
apolitical monarchy (if it existed) is centrist
figurehead monarchy (which... kinda exists yea) is centrist

honestly figurehead monarchy being centrist kind of makes sense
Britain's monarchy is very apolitical. When did Her Majesty ever weigh in on politics?
 
I'd rather have soft power be wielded by an elderly aristocratic lady than by whatever nouveau-riche celebrity can make a big fuss.
Be careful what you wish for. I've been working on a novel in which the villain is an elderly aristocratic lady who was the King's second wife and when the time was right, she had her brother murder the King and frame the King's favorite advisor's sons.

Queen Beryl is one of the nastiest fictitious villains I've ever encountered.
 
Britain's monarchy is very apolitical. When did Her Majesty ever weigh in on politics?

Not renouncing and giving up her royal prerogatives is a pretty strong statement that those prerogatives should continue to exist
 
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But I would assume your origin is not immediately obvious from the way you dress.
Since I am a citizen of a multicultural country, I can dress any damn way I please, within reason. For instance, it's considered cultural appropriation for a non-indigenous person to wear indigenous clothing. There are some things it would be illegal for me to wear, as it would constitute impersonation.

And harkening back to Jagmeet Singh (you should recall that it was you, not I, who dragged him into this conversation)... he wears his hair long underneath his turban and has a beard; this is his way of honoring his Sikh faith, and he wears western suits because that's the standard dress of Canadian politicians. You keep claiming he hasn't "assimilated." I will just have to conclude that you don't really understand what it means to live in a multicultural country and consider the wide variety of cultural expressions we have here as a normal thing.

Embracing diversity is normal.

(and to meander sorta back on-topic, it's one of the things the various members of the Royal Family who have visited Canada have said they like about us).

I have no interest in <many things>
Your loss.

If she's my wife, and it's in private, that's okay.
:rolleyes:

I get the distinct impression that you don't want a wife. You want a doormat.
 
Since I am a citizen of a multicultural country, I can dress any damn way I please, within reason. For instance, it's considered cultural appropriation for a non-indigenous person to wear indigenous clothing. There are some things it would be illegal for me to wear, as it would constitute impersonation.

And harkening back to Jagmeet Singh (you should recall that it was you, not I, who dragged him into this conversation)... he wears his hair long underneath his turban and has a beard; this is his way of honoring his Sikh faith, and he wears western suits because that's the standard dress of Canadian politicians. You keep claiming he hasn't "assimilated." I will just have to conclude that you don't really understand what it means to live in a multicultural country and consider the wide variety of cultural expressions we have here as a normal thing.

Embracing diversity is normal.

(and to meander sorta back on-topic, it's one of the things the various members of the Royal Family who have visited Canada have said they like about us).
Assimilation means fully becoming like the people of the country in every public way. If you want to pray in some foreign language or wear foreign garb in your own home, whatever, but when in Rome, do as the Romans do.
Yes, the Royal Family isn't perfect, but they're a lot less culturally liberal than an elected head of state would likely be. I mean, surely, you've heard of the many legendary remarks Prince Philip (RIP) made about other cultures. No elected head of state could do that and keep their job.
As for cultural appropriation, another ridiculous double standards. If they don't want us wearing their clothing, they should stop using our alphabet, our technology, our roads, our medicine, etc...
I mean, you will notice that the Royal Family has assimilated, not just culturally, but also genetically. The Queen Mother was the first ethnic Brit to marry into the Royal Family in centuries. Prince Philip had virtually no British ancestry (less than 1%), but Princess Diana was ~7/8 British, making the future King William V the first monarch in centuries to be mostly British by blood. The erstwhile Kate Middleton is also overwhelmingly British ancestrally, meaning the future King George VII is ~80% British.
They also don't speak German any more, keep German customs, or dress like Germans.
 
They also don't speak German any more, keep German customs, or dress like Germans.
We also don't speak Celtic? Or Roman, come to think about it. Or Old English (or any Germanic relative of the time).

But we  did. You can find remnants of all these languages and more in modern English. That doesn't necessarily mean assimilation. The last two languages I mentioned were due to hostile invasions.

The funny thing is ethnonationalists accept this as "the way things are", but they simultaneously fiercely reject the idea of such a hostile takeover  now. It's all about being "good immigrants" and the like. The same thing that's intolerable now is accepted as a natural part of the historical record.

What does this have to do with the Royal Family? Well, let me gesture vaguely at the history of England and the rest of Europe for the past millenia or more :D
 
We also don't speak Celtic? Or Roman, come to think about it. Or Old English (or any Germanic relative of the time).

But we  did. You can find remnants of all these languages and more in modern English. That doesn't necessarily mean assimilation. The last two languages I mentioned were due to hostile invasions.

The funny thing is ethnonationalists accept this as "the way things are", but they simultaneously fiercely reject the idea of such a hostile takeover  now. It's all about being "good immigrants" and the like. The same thing that's intolerable now is accepted as a natural part of the historical record.

What does this have to do with the Royal Family? Well, let me gesture vaguely at the history of England and the rest of Europe for the past millenia or more :D
Modern English is the natural continuation of Old English. Even the Chinese don't sound the same today as they did 1,000 years ago.
 
Modern English is the natural continuation of Old English. Even the Chinese don't sound the same today as they did 1,000 years ago.
What does "natural" mean here? Old English was basically "killed" by the King's great ^ 33 grandfather coming over here and speaking French.
 
Assimilation means fully becoming like the people of the country in every public way. If you want to pray in some foreign language or wear foreign garb in your own home, whatever, but when in Rome, do as the Romans do.
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You have a lot to learn about Canada. Every major city and most mid-sized cities have churches, mosques, and temples. It's considered NORMAL. I don't care what language people pray in, as long as they don't impose it on me or public school students or force it on the courts or in hospitals or other public buildings. That goes for *any* religion, in *any* language. The one exception I personally make is for Remembrance Day. It's a multi-faith, multi-lingual ceremony on Parliament Hill, and it was a pleasant surprise some years ago when the Catholic chaplain acknowledged non-believers. Up to that time we were ignored, as though we couldn't possibly have any reason to participate in this. Later on they added an indigenous component, in which the Act of Remembrance is not only in English and French, but also in one or another of the indigenous languages (ie. Inuktitut or Cree).

It's nice that the anthem was changed to get rid of the sexism. Now if they'd change the wording that suggests that only Christians are patriotic, I could finally sing it again with a clear conscience (that change was put in a mere 40 years ago).

Tell me what, in a multicultural country, constitutes "foreign" languages or garb. Sikhs wearing turbans is NORMAL. There are women living in this building who wear saris and various other garb from whatever country they came from. It's NORMAL. Hearing half a dozen different languages on the bus is NORMAL. I do admit that the manager and I were a bit nonplussed by my neighbor who came from North Africa, as he continued to wear his accustomed clothing well into winter, and our reason for being nonplussed was due to wondering at what point this man would realize that he was courting frostbite or even hypothermia by not wearing pants (trousers). I guess it finally did get cold enough for him, as eventually he did start wearing them.

Funny thing about "when in Rome, do as the Romans do"... Rome was a multicultural empire, with many languages and faiths (tolerated by some of the emperors, though of course we know of the ones who considered themselves to be divine and that anyone praying to other god/desses was committing treason). There were different dialects of Latin, and some of the aristocracy considered Greek to be a more cultured language than Latin. So when you're "doing as the Romans do" I guess it depends on which Romans you want to fit in with.

Yes, the Royal Family isn't perfect, but they're a lot less culturally liberal than an elected head of state would likely be. I mean, surely, you've heard of the many legendary remarks Prince Philip (RIP) made about other cultures. No elected head of state could do that and keep their job.
Yes, of course I've heard of the multiple bigoted remarks made by Prince Philip. His rank evidently didn't prevent him from expressing his bigotry and coming off as an uncivil jackass. I get that the Queen loved him. I just can't figure out why.

As for cultural appropriation, another ridiculous double standards. If they don't want us wearing their clothing, they should stop using our alphabet, our technology, our roads, our medicine, etc...
I confess I've had similar thoughts at times. It usually comes when a white person gets screamed at for their hairstyle by a black person whose hair is obviously dyed blond. It's like nobody else in the world ever wore braids.

Lately it's "my culture is not your Halloween costume." Okay, I get that it's incredibly disrespectful to wear an indigenous headdress for a costume. Those are part of religious and political ceremonial regalia and should not be worn as a costume. But it should go both ways. My ancestral culture isn't *their* Halloween costume, either.

Ditto for art. Indigenous artists are quick to point fingers at anyone copying their designs, and of course they have the legal right to call out anyone committing fraud or copyright infringement. But it needs to go both ways. Sorry, but Baby Yoda was NOT created by Inuk artists, and those who gleefully started using Baby Yoda designs in their items need to show proof of a license from the actual copyright holders of Baby Yoda, or cease and desist.

I mean, you will notice that the Royal Family has assimilated, not just culturally, but also genetically. The Queen Mother was the first ethnic Brit to marry into the Royal Family in centuries. Prince Philip had virtually no British ancestry (less than 1%), but Princess Diana was ~7/8 British, making the future King William V the first monarch in centuries to be mostly British by blood. The erstwhile Kate Middleton is also overwhelmingly British ancestrally, meaning the future King George VII is ~80% British.
They also don't speak German any more, keep German customs, or dress like Germans.
:sleep:

They're not saying which senior member of the Royal Family was "worried" about what the color of Meghan's then-unborn son's skin would be, but I'd bet it was Philip. It's exactly the sort of disgusting thing he would say.

You do realize that everyone in the UK had ancestors who originally came from somewhere else, right? Go back far enough and you reach East Africa (yes, I know your opinion about that, and reject it in favor of the available evidence).


About modern English... do you not realize just how much of this language was borrowed from other languages? There are words commonly used in Canada that I've had to explain to non-Canadians, because they're indigenous words that became part of our everyday language.
 
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