negyvenketto
Scientist
How did the previous player managed to gt a warrior to build roads?
I observed it, too in the BC1600 save, but I forgot to ask. I thought it was a new feature
I would go for the blue spot first, it's on a hill, too.
TNT1 : Monarch, custom continents, PP or PW
- Thread starter Tatran
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I observed it, too in the BC1600 save, but I forgot to ask. I thought it was a new feature
I would go for the blue spot first, it's on a hill, too.
Some 
from my side not to build any triremes.
GreyFox focused on food, while I focused on commerce.
I really don't like to waste those silver tiles, same thing for coastal tiles.
Random roster :
negyvenketto
Immaculate
The Sansman
Tatran
Played :
GreyFox
from my side not to build any triremes.GreyFox focused on food, while I focused on commerce.
I really don't like to waste those silver tiles, same thing for coastal tiles.
Random roster :
negyvenketto
Immaculate
The Sansman
Tatran
Played :
GreyFox
negyvenketto
Scientist
We are financial so I agree to use coastal and commerce tiles effectively -> go for Tatran's horse city to build chariots as a counter for barb axemen.
We can't build monument for border expansion -> go for chop library.
After settler went for trireme for exploring, pillaging
Recon french city
Trireme -> skirmisher
Paris
They have copper, lots of fishing nets and walls around Paris.
Here I made gamble, tried to pillage the mine. The 1st UU died without scratching the spear.
The second almost won but there is no second prize in this race.
Which AI we should attack first?
Notes:
Metal casting in 2 turns
chariot in 2 turns
Barb axeman aproaching
The save
We can't build monument for border expansion -> go for chop library.
After settler went for trireme for exploring, pillaging
Recon french city
Trireme -> skirmisher
Paris
They have copper, lots of fishing nets and walls around Paris.
Here I made gamble, tried to pillage the mine. The 1st UU died without scratching the spear.
The second almost won but there is no second prize in this race.Which AI we should attack first?
Notes:
Metal casting in 2 turns
chariot in 2 turns
Barb axeman aproaching
The save
Spoiler :
Maybe we should go after Paris first. The city isn't built on a hill.
We don't have copper and we get a discount if go for the Colossus.
Paris is food heavy, good for great people.
Random roster :
Immaculate
The Sansman
Tatran
Played :
GreyFox
negyvenketto
We don't have copper and we get a discount if go for the Colossus.
Paris is food heavy, good for great people.
Random roster :
Immaculate
The Sansman
Tatran
Played :
GreyFox
negyvenketto
The Sansman
Warlord
First off, negyvenketto, great job on pillaging the mine at Paris 
, to bad it cost both Shirimishers. I agree we should visit Paris in full force, the city is just too much food rich to pass up. I think we need a galley to ferry the troops over and I believe that should do some 
for the troop build up and galley. The sooner we take Paris the better. Next we should take Orleans (or raze it), if we can keep Genghis from accessing Iron or Copper, I think we can keep it with a relatively small garrison. I also think we should get Horse Back Riding for the Horse Archers. Having both a Barracks and Stable will give the Horse Archer 2 promotions, which I find very effective at destroying incoming Barbarians and Archers, something I am hoping that will only find in Genghis's cities.
As for the Colossus, I been thinking after we get Optics we should try to circumvent the "globe" first. I do not think we will find many friends doing this, thus meaning Astronomy can wait a bit. Also I think we should get both Alphabet and Currency after Optics to that we can try to trade some Techs and Gold. Another reason to go for these Techs sooner rather than later is so that once we start taking some cities from both Genghis and Napoleon our economy will crash. Those Techs can help less the blow of having too many cities.
, to bad it cost both Shirimishers. I agree we should visit Paris in full force, the city is just too much food rich to pass up. I think we need a galley to ferry the troops over and I believe that should do some for the troop build up and galley. The sooner we take Paris the better. Next we should take Orleans (or raze it), if we can keep Genghis from accessing Iron or Copper, I think we can keep it with a relatively small garrison. I also think we should get Horse Back Riding for the Horse Archers. Having both a Barracks and Stable will give the Horse Archer 2 promotions, which I find very effective at destroying incoming Barbarians and Archers, something I am hoping that will only find in Genghis's cities.As for the Colossus, I been thinking after we get Optics we should try to circumvent the "globe" first. I do not think we will find many friends doing this, thus meaning Astronomy can wait a bit. Also I think we should get both Alphabet and Currency after Optics to that we can try to trade some Techs and Gold. Another reason to go for these Techs sooner rather than later is so that once we start taking some cities from both Genghis and Napoleon our economy will crash. Those Techs can help less the blow of having too many cities.
negyvenketto
Scientist
They have a worker so already started to rebuild it.First off, negyvenketto, great job on pillaging the mine at Paris
Paris may be building a trireme and workboats after (hopefully) and not defense.
Don't forget they already have a trireme, the AI may calling it back now.
Immaculate
unerring
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550BC-400BC
Strategy/Review
Currently we are at war with everyone on our continent. Our allies lie elsewhere and are only available for trade after optics. We can either slug it out now with our local enemies, or we can start to push towards optics now. Alternatively, we could do a combination of both.
We can throw ourselves at the French which would mean teching up to construction for catapults right now or we can tech towards optics. We already have metal casting which means we are already on our way to optics a little bit.
In the end, I decide to leave France alone (mostly) for now and focus on getting optics quickly.
I know of four ways to do that.
Based on these choices, we should definitely try to produce 1-2 scientists in the time it takes to produce ~2200-2400 beakers. I set research to mathematics, pretty much dedicating us to the production of a scientist in time for optics.
Alternatively, we could ignore optics and slug it out with our neighbours in which case mathematics lets us access construction.
Our capital is almost at full size and already has a library so I will begin running two scientist as soon as possible. Our second city, although it is building a library, doesnt really need it as it looks to be a production city. It is being built for culture though, so lets let it continue. That means that we need to settle another city to help get a another library up.
City Specialization: I will put up little signs to suggest how we specialize our cities and we can use this to guide our tile-improvements and builds if thats what we want to do.
Heres an outline of some of the proposed uses:
I suggest we try to get a scientist out of our capital as fast as possible. All the crabs and sheep make this easy. Otherwise, it seems to be making a great production centre.
This site, because of all the tundra, cant really be used as a commercial centre. The riverside tundra is useable only for farming or as a watermill, neither of which is well suited to commerce.
As an additional option, we may want to consider using our second city to produce a scientist that much more quickly Once it reaches size four, it could, potentially, work two farms and two scientists and produce a great scientist for our faster then it would take to set up an additional city.
If we do not use our second city to produce a scientist, this is a proposed great person farm I suggest we settle next, build a library for (and a workboat for from our capital) and start two scientists with. This would let us light bulb twice on our way towards optics but would take much longer then the second city.
Builds
I switch our capital to a settler once it gets to full size. Once the settler is built, it will begin to work two scientists.
Research
We complete metal-casting and I set us towards agriculture. Since we cant trade until optics, I think its best to research ourselves. Once agriculture is completed, I return us to the optics road with mathematics.
Tile-Improvements
Our worker has been improving our second city by building farms for growth and chopping forests to assist in the librarys construction.
War
We lost (at >97%) our swordsmen who went to protect our road from a barb archer. I could have promoted him first but with such a high chance- I didnt worry about it. These odd things happen, but so rarely that when they do, then stick out. Sorry about that, but really, the odds were STACKED in our favour.
Foreign Affairs
In 445BC, Christianity was founded and the oracle was built Hmmmm . I wonder what tech they choose. The French built a city close to the Mongolian iron but will probably get flipped.
Here is the save.
PS: Did you see each island had three civs?
Strategy/Review
Currently we are at war with everyone on our continent. Our allies lie elsewhere and are only available for trade after optics. We can either slug it out now with our local enemies, or we can start to push towards optics now. Alternatively, we could do a combination of both.
We can throw ourselves at the French which would mean teching up to construction for catapults right now or we can tech towards optics. We already have metal casting which means we are already on our way to optics a little bit.
In the end, I decide to leave France alone (mostly) for now and focus on getting optics quickly.
I know of four ways to do that.
- The first one needs a great scientist for machinery (1690 beakers) and a great scientist for optics (1499 beakers) itself. It requires that we self research mathematics (601 beakers), compass (966 beakers) and calendar (843).
We need to self-research 2410 beakers and produce two scientists. - We could aim to self-research machinery (1690 beakers) and pop a scientist for compass (966 beakers)and another for optics( 1499 beakers). We avoid calendar but have to self-research machinery. Because math (601 beakers) is in the way for light-bulbing optics and compass, we would need to research math also.
We need to self-research 2291 beakers and produce two scientists. - If we can only produce one great scientist, we can use him to light-bulb optics (1499 beakers) if we self-research to optics and pick up mathetmatics (601 beakers).
This would require that we self-research 3257 beakers and produce one scientist. - Lastly, we could self-research directly and avoid mathematics altogether. This would require 4155 beakers.
Based on these choices, we should definitely try to produce 1-2 scientists in the time it takes to produce ~2200-2400 beakers. I set research to mathematics, pretty much dedicating us to the production of a scientist in time for optics.
Alternatively, we could ignore optics and slug it out with our neighbours in which case mathematics lets us access construction.
Our capital is almost at full size and already has a library so I will begin running two scientist as soon as possible. Our second city, although it is building a library, doesnt really need it as it looks to be a production city. It is being built for culture though, so lets let it continue. That means that we need to settle another city to help get a another library up.
City Specialization: I will put up little signs to suggest how we specialize our cities and we can use this to guide our tile-improvements and builds if thats what we want to do.
Heres an outline of some of the proposed uses:
As an additional option, we may want to consider using our second city to produce a scientist that much more quickly Once it reaches size four, it could, potentially, work two farms and two scientists and produce a great scientist for our faster then it would take to set up an additional city.
Builds
I switch our capital to a settler once it gets to full size. Once the settler is built, it will begin to work two scientists.
Research
We complete metal-casting and I set us towards agriculture. Since we cant trade until optics, I think its best to research ourselves. Once agriculture is completed, I return us to the optics road with mathematics.
Tile-Improvements
Our worker has been improving our second city by building farms for growth and chopping forests to assist in the librarys construction.
War
We lost (at >97%) our swordsmen who went to protect our road from a barb archer. I could have promoted him first but with such a high chance- I didnt worry about it. These odd things happen, but so rarely that when they do, then stick out. Sorry about that, but really, the odds were STACKED in our favour.
Foreign Affairs
In 445BC, Christianity was founded and the oracle was built Hmmmm . I wonder what tech they choose. The French built a city close to the Mongolian iron but will probably get flipped.
NOTE: I didn't actually get to assign scientists in our capital yet because i wanted the settler to finish first.
Here is the save.
PS: Did you see each island had three civs?
Djenne has 18 river tiles, so it looks more like a commerce city to me.
It can support 11 watermills + 2 windmills, the other tiles can be farmed
or cottaged.
Timbuktu needs a lighthouse + mint.
I still think we should go after Paris to have a second Great Person city.
Genghis will be busy killing barbarians and Paris won't face that problem.
All 6 continents start with 3 civs and all need Optics/Astronomy to reach
each other.
Random roster :
The Sansman
Tatran
Played :
GreyFox
negyvenketto
Immaculate
It can support 11 watermills + 2 windmills, the other tiles can be farmed
or cottaged.
Timbuktu needs a lighthouse + mint.
I still think we should go after Paris to have a second Great Person city.
Genghis will be busy killing barbarians and Paris won't face that problem.
All 6 continents start with 3 civs and all need Optics/Astronomy to reach
each other.
Random roster :
The Sansman
Tatran
Played :
GreyFox
negyvenketto
Immaculate
The Sansman
Warlord
Decisions, decisions, decisions. I do I try to continue Immaculate's strategy or I do I try to take Paris in my turn set (or the very least set up the next player for the take over bid)? 
My vote in the matter is to capture Paris, but I never played like what Immaculate is suggesting, and I am intrigued. I have just looked at the save and noticed a couple of things there is a settler about halfway though it's production.
Hang on. Immaculate you played only 10 turns, both Greyfox and negyvenketto played 15 turns. Do you want to continue to your next 5 turns?
I continue my ranting
after a response from Immaculate.
My vote in the matter is to capture Paris, but I never played like what Immaculate is suggesting, and I am intrigued. I have just looked at the save and noticed a couple of things there is a settler about halfway though it's production. Hang on. Immaculate you played only 10 turns, both Greyfox and negyvenketto played 15 turns. Do you want to continue to your next 5 turns?
I continue my ranting
after a response from Immaculate.
Immaculate
unerring
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No, its cool... play 20 to make up for me if you want.
The Sansman
Warlord
Tratan, I will play 15 turns unless you would like me to do different. However I do not think I will able to play this tonight. I am the only one in the house who is not sick 
and as such I will need to prioritize sleep over fun 
. Having a house full of small children means little sleep when 1-2 kids are not feeling well. When it is all and the wife at the same time, experience has taught me that I get no rest (sorry to bore you all the details).
I should be able to play tomorrow night, in any case if the team feels that this delay will disrupt the flow of the game, please do not hesitate to skip me.
I will post a "I got it and playing" before I play.
and as such I will need to prioritize sleep over fun . Having a house full of small children means little sleep when 1-2 kids are not feeling well. When it is all and the wife at the same time, experience has taught me that I get no rest (sorry to bore you all the details).I should be able to play tomorrow night, in any case if the team feels that this delay will disrupt the flow of the game, please do not hesitate to skip me.
I will post a "I got it and playing" before I play.
385 BC (1)
Whip a lighthouse in Timbuktu.
355 BC (3)
Whip a granary in Timbuktu.
IBT 310 BC (6)
Napoleon has built the Great Lighthouse in Paris.
190 BC (14)
Kumbi Saleh founded.
175 BC (15)
Mathematics is known, start to research Masonry. (needed for Construction).
A galley is under construction to send an axe + chariot to Paris to pillage
Napoleon's copper, so we won't see any French axemen. After that we should
focus on capturing Paris, it has 2 workers (we're short on them) + the Great
Lighthouse.
Roster (15 turns):
The Sansman
Played :
GreyFox
negyvenketto
Immaculate
Tatran
Whip a lighthouse in Timbuktu.
355 BC (3)
Whip a granary in Timbuktu.
IBT 310 BC (6)
Napoleon has built the Great Lighthouse in Paris.
190 BC (14)
Kumbi Saleh founded.
175 BC (15)
Mathematics is known, start to research Masonry. (needed for Construction).
A galley is under construction to send an axe + chariot to Paris to pillage
Napoleon's copper, so we won't see any French axemen. After that we should
focus on capturing Paris, it has 2 workers (we're short on them) + the Great
Lighthouse.
Roster (15 turns):
The Sansman
Played :
GreyFox
negyvenketto
Immaculate
Tatran
The Sansman
Warlord
Got it and playing. So long as my kids and wife stay asleep I will be able to post the report shortly.
The Sansman
Warlord
Turn 0
Whipped the Barracks at Djenne and add a Skirmisher to the build queue.
Turn 1
Masonry came in chose Construction for Catapults.
IBT 2-3
French Axeman moves to on top of Copper.
Turn 6
To prevent Timbuktu from growing and surpassing the happiness cap I hired a scientist.
Turn 9
Troops arrive outside Paris and are promoted.
Turn 10
Attack the Axeman on the Copper with the Chariot and win. Pillage the Copper.
Turn 11
I pillaged the road and station the troops on the hill beside Paris to hopefully prevent any troop movements. I fired the scientist at Timbuktu to allow the city to grow by one. The unhappiness from whipping has worn off.
Turn 14
Sending over two more Axemen to Paris. We have an unpromoted Level 3 Swordsman that we could send over to there as well; however I believe we should send it with a Skirmisher to the French city just north of Kumbi Saleh. We should be able to take it. Thus deny the French Horses.
The world as we know it:
Sorry for the my delay I managed to catch the illness floating around here.
Sorry forgot the Save: http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/108795/TNT1_AD-0125.CivWarlordsSave
Whipped
the Barracks at Djenne and add a Skirmisher to the build queue.Turn 1
Masonry came in chose Construction for Catapults.
IBT 2-3
French Axeman moves to on top of Copper.
Turn 6
To prevent Timbuktu from growing and surpassing the happiness cap I hired a scientist.
Turn 9
Troops arrive outside Paris and are promoted.
Turn 10
Attack the Axeman on the Copper with the Chariot and win. Pillage the Copper.
Turn 11
I pillaged the road and station the troops on the hill beside Paris to hopefully prevent any troop movements. I fired the scientist at Timbuktu to allow the city to grow by one. The unhappiness from whipping has worn off.
Turn 14
Sending over two more Axemen to Paris. We have an unpromoted Level 3 Swordsman that we could send over to there as well; however I believe we should send it with a Skirmisher to the French city just north of Kumbi Saleh. We should be able to take it. Thus deny the French Horses.
The world as we know it:
Spoiler :
Sorry for the my delay I managed to catch the illness floating around here.
Sorry forgot the Save: http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/108795/TNT1_AD-0125.CivWarlordsSave
negyvenketto
Scientist
There is a French city between Djenne and Karakorum, it can be seen from the culture view. It has iron.
Paris should fall
Paris should fall
GreyFox
Make it so ...
Hmm ... we are sending axes for the offense and have swords defending our land 
I land only one axe on Paris and ferry the other axe back to swap with a defending sword.
Anyway, Paris is untouchable at the moment, and Louis is whipping archers like nobody business. We have to wait for feline support.
Meanwhile, have some fun with barbies. A total of 4 barbie encounters, 2 of which we attacked, 2 of which they suicided. Funny thing is 2 of which happened in our lands and 2 of which happened in France ...
Our first attack: Skimisher vs Warrior ... I purposely choose the skimisher over the sword since the sword is at full 10exp.
2nd attack is at Paris: Chariots vs Axe ... if we are going to take the city, we don't want barbs pillaging the cottages. Plus Chariot get bonus only when attacking, not defending.
1st barb suicide: Axe into Skimisher ... no chance for the axe, with the cross river penalty, forest bonus, and first strike (promoted when I see the axe).
2nd barb suicide: Sword into Axe ... yes, I wanted to keep the cottage in tact, but by the time I see the sword, he is already on the forest and hill ... no sense attacking as the chance is 50-50.
After pillaging the cottage, the swords end his live by charging headlong into our fortified axe.
And finally, the moment arrives:
Next player will have cats support. Can you say "Meow"?
Here are the three French cities. Paris is insane ... 50% cultural bonus ... even our best sword will be 50% at best.
Rheims is not any better, it has a CG3 archer on a hill ...
Lyons is the easiest, although it also feature a CG3, it has no cultural nor terrain defense. However, it is too close to Mongolia.
I would suggest we go raze Lyons, while ferrying cats and more swords to Paris.
BTW, our economy sucks. Have to start working on those coastal tiles ...
>>> The Save (350AD) <<<
I land only one axe on Paris and ferry the other axe back to swap with a defending sword.Anyway, Paris is untouchable at the moment, and Louis is whipping archers like nobody business. We have to wait for feline support.
Meanwhile, have some fun with barbies. A total of 4 barbie encounters, 2 of which we attacked, 2 of which they suicided. Funny thing is 2 of which happened in our lands and 2 of which happened in France ...
Our first attack: Skimisher vs Warrior ... I purposely choose the skimisher over the sword since the sword is at full 10exp.
2nd attack is at Paris: Chariots vs Axe ... if we are going to take the city, we don't want barbs pillaging the cottages. Plus Chariot get bonus only when attacking, not defending.
1st barb suicide: Axe into Skimisher ... no chance for the axe, with the cross river penalty, forest bonus, and first strike (promoted when I see the axe).
2nd barb suicide: Sword into Axe ... yes, I wanted to keep the cottage in tact, but by the time I see the sword, he is already on the forest and hill ... no sense attacking as the chance is 50-50.
After pillaging the cottage, the swords end his live by charging headlong into our fortified axe.
And finally, the moment arrives:
Next player will have cats support. Can you say "Meow"?
Here are the three French cities. Paris is insane ... 50% cultural bonus ... even our best sword will be 50% at best.
Rheims is not any better, it has a CG3 archer on a hill ...
Lyons is the easiest, although it also feature a CG3, it has no cultural nor terrain defense. However, it is too close to Mongolia.
I would suggest we go raze Lyons, while ferrying cats and more swords to Paris.
BTW, our economy sucks. Have to start working on those coastal tiles ...
>>> The Save (350AD) <<<
Spoiler autolog :
negyvenketto
Scientist
I will play my turns 2-5 hours from now.
negyvenketto
Scientist
Preturn
MM cities to get Compass in 38
to 50% -> 32 turns
Moved 2 swords and an axe to Lyons, chariot to defend east border.
Turn 193 (395 AD)
Start to chop forest at Kumbi for library
Hire scientist at Timbuktu
GS in 14, Compass in 24
Turn 194 (410 AD)
Catapult ready sent to Paris
Timbuktu continue Mint
Turn 195 (425 AD)
swords promoted to CR, still 30% chance agaist CD3 archer
move another axe there for sure win
farm finished at Djanne, mine silver
Turn 197 (455 AD)
Bombard Paris
chop finished at Kumbi, start sword (feel free to change)
worker help build silver mine
Turn 198 (470 AD)
Interesting ...
Seems Khan doesn't have metal
Unfortunately our axe in open terrain, will they attack?
Sure
Defeat 2 archers, lost in the 3rd battle
not moved other forces there to help?
another to move forces to south hill
Apologies
Turn 200 (500 AD)
Another : french trireme is back or a new one? I haven't realized it leaving Paris. Our nets in danger.
Compass in 16, GS in 7 turns
The save Good luck
MM cities to get Compass in 38
to 50% -> 32 turnsMoved 2 swords and an axe to Lyons, chariot to defend east border.
Turn 193 (395 AD)
Start to chop forest at Kumbi for library
Hire scientist at Timbuktu
GS in 14, Compass in 24
Turn 194 (410 AD)
Catapult ready sent to Paris
Timbuktu continue Mint
Turn 195 (425 AD)
swords promoted to CR, still 30% chance agaist CD3 archer
move another axe there for sure win
farm finished at Djanne, mine silver
Turn 197 (455 AD)
Bombard Paris
chop finished at Kumbi, start sword (feel free to change)
worker help build silver mine
Turn 198 (470 AD)
Interesting ...
Seems Khan doesn't have metal
Unfortunately our axe in open terrain, will they attack?
Sure
Defeat 2 archers, lost in the 3rd battle
not moved other forces there to help?another
to move forces to south hillApologies
Turn 200 (500 AD)
Another
: french trireme is back or a new one? I haven't realized it leaving Paris. Our nets in danger.
Compass in 16, GS in 7 turns
Spoiler :
The save Good luck
