TNT1 : Monarch, custom continents, PP or PW

[Tatran]

1) We don't have contact with civs we are at permanent peace.
Ragnar and Caesar Augustus are at permanent peace, so they must
have contacted each other.
2) In the last Sansman's save they don't know each other. So I wanted to
look at the most recent save, but......I couldn't find it.

 

[GreyFox]

*Grasps* I forgot to post the save

... sorry ... I don't have access to the save right now, will do so first thing tomorrow morning ...

 

[Tatran]

Well, GreyFox maybe you're right they don't know each other.
I don't know/use this mod, but in earlier spoiler info this attitude
change happened before. Hopefully I'm wrong about the Optics part.

Ragnar, Augustus Caesar, Bismarck and Gandhi are all at different
continents. They are doing well in score and we are at permanent
war with them.

 

[Immaculate]

My CD/DVD-player is down then (friday) i am going out of country for 2 weeks, so i will need to be skipped for awhile.

 

[GreyFox]

>>> The Save (1190AD) <<<

Once again, sorry for the delay caused.

 

[negyvenketto]

Got it. I will play tonight. What should we research after currency? Guilds needs 5 low level techs we should trade instead of self research. I would go for engineering (trebuchet). I hope we can get alphabet from our allies or better to research it?

 

[GreyFox]

If you are building caravels right now (which I forgot to ), I think alphabet would be needed. Or we could decide after meeting our first non-PW rival, and see if he has alphabet.

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[negyvenketto]

A rather quiet turnset.
Currency in, started engineering for trebuchet. (Most AI we know allready know alphabet.)
2 caravels built, both heading north (we probably are on the southern hemisphere).
Science rate back to 60 %, we need heappyness resources to grow and work on commerce tiles. Maybe finish france first would be easier. Khan pillaged Orleans quite well.
Karakorum well defended now.

I let a mongol trireme come closer waiting for it's attack (to earn defence bonus)

Barb cities:

Spoiler :

Turn 255/660 (1190 AD) [13-Feb-2007 07:56:17]
Timbuktu begins: Caravel (6 turns)
Kumbi Saleh begins: Caravel (18 turns)
Timbuktu finishes: Crossbowman

IBT:
Civics Change: Mehmed II(Ottomans) from 'Despotism' to 'Hereditary Rule'

Turn 256/660 (1196 AD) [13-Feb-2007 08:06:10]

IBT:

Turn 257/660 (1202 AD) [13-Feb-2007 08:18:16]
Tech learned: Currency

IBT:
Attitude Change: Mehmed II(Ottomans) towards Augustus Caesar(Rome), from 'Furious' to 'Annoyed'

Turn 258/660 (1208 AD) [13-Feb-2007 08:24:07]
Research begun: Engineering (22 Turns)
Paris begins: Market (33 turns)

Turn 258/660 (1208 AD) [13-Feb-2007 19:05:41]
A Village was built near Djenne
Paris finishes: Mint

IBT:
Civics Change: Bismarck(Germany) from 'Barbarism' to 'Vassalage'

Turn 259/660 (1214 AD) [13-Feb-2007 19:10:27]
Kumbi Saleh finishes: Caravel

IBT:

Turn 260/660 (1220 AD) [13-Feb-2007 19:17:49]

IBT:

Turn 261/660 (1226 AD) [13-Feb-2007 19:20:15]
Timbuktu finishes: Caravel
Djenne finishes: Colosseum
Paris grows: 4

IBT:

Turn 262/660 (1232 AD) [13-Feb-2007 19:21:57]
Timbuktu begins: Crossbowman (6 turns)
Djenne begins: Catapult (8 turns)

IBT:

Turn 263/660 (1238 AD) [13-Feb-2007 19:25:17]

IBT:

Turn 264/660 (1244 AD) [13-Feb-2007 19:29:18]

IBT:

Turn 265/660 (1250 AD) [13-Feb-2007 19:31:29]
A Farm was built near Djenne

The save

 

[Tatran]

Let Genghis finish off Napoleon, so we can focus on him.

1256 AD (1)
Whip colosseum in Paris.

1262 AD (2)

1298 AD (8)
We meet one of our friends.

It looks like Gandhi has the upper hand.
Vassal states are on, but we don't have Feudalism.
We could give Lizzy a city on our continent to save a friend.
We can't help her military until Astronomy and that could be too late.

1304 AD (9)
Trouble ahead, Genghis has war elephants!

IBT 1304 AD
Luck is on our side, Mongol war elephant versus our crossbow (86%) 0-1
Mongol axe versus our axe (75%) 0-1

1328 AD (13)
Genghis has another war elephant in Karakorum, but that ivory camp is pillaged.


http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/20970/TNT1_AD-1340.CivWarlordsSave

 

[Tatran]

Roster :
The Sansman

Played :
GreyFox
negyvenketto
Tatran

Skipped :
Immaculate

 

[The Sansman]

Ok, got it and started playing:

Turn 0

Hire another Scientist to prevent growth at Timbuktu (at max. happiness).



Produced a Great Scientist who will pop Alphabet for us. So I think we can hang on to him a bit. Or should I add him to Timbuktu? I will wait an hour before continuing.

 

[The Sansman]

Another thing we could trade with Victoria. Should I? or with anyone else I come across that will trade with us?

 

[GreyFox]

Definitely not lightbulb Alphabet. Its a waste. I would build academy.

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[The Sansman]

I will be quick since I am very tired.

For lack of knowing any better I added the Great Scientist to Timbuktu. Sorry Greyfox I only just now saw your comment . Anyways continued bombardment of Karakorum and kept sending troops up to it as well. During same time the French were eliminated .

When the defenses were reduced to 0% I attacked with everything we had in place which destroyed all but two units. Next turn without any reinforcements reaching Karakorum I managed to take it without many losses.

I sent up a worker to rebuild the camp so that we could get some Jumbo ourselves but then two stacks of troops arrived from where French were. There is an Mongolian infestation that going to be difficult to remove from around Karakorum.

I whipped twice at Karakorum to create a couple of Pikemen for defense and worker protection. We need the Jumbos badly and we should also send some units to remove the Metals from Genghis resources. His troops will be a pain unless we can get Macemen before he does.

On the Teching side of things I have been trading like mad to try to back fill. Then next player should continue searching out more allies and trade with them I think we could collect a lot of techs that we desperately need this way.

Anyways here is the save. http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/108795/TNT1_AD-1430.CivWarlordsSave

Spoiler :

Logging by Ruff's Cobbled Mod Pack v2.0.4 (Warlords v2.08) - New Log Entries
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Turn 280/660 (1340 AD) [13-Feb-2007 21:22:07]
Timbuktu finishes: Crossbowman
Johannes Kepler (Scientist) (Great Scientist) born in Timbuktu
Paris finishes: Barracks

IBT:

Turn 281/660 (1346 AD) [13-Feb-2007 21:29:55]
Timbuktu begins: Crossbowman (6 turns)
A Farm was built near Djenne
Djenne finishes: Catapult


Turn 281/660 (1346 AD) [13-Feb-2007 22:43:33]
Tech learned: Mysticism
Tech learned: Alphabet
Djenne finishes: Catapult

IBT:
French Empire has been eliminated
Attitude Change: Elizabeth(England) towards TNT1(Mali), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'

Turn 282/660 (1352 AD) [13-Feb-2007 22:46:06]
Djenne begins: Crossbowman (9 turns)
Tech learned: Engineering

IBT:

Turn 283/660 (1358 AD) [13-Feb-2007 22:48:50]
Research begun: Calendar (9 Turns)
Timbuktu begins: Trebuchet (6 turns)
A Farm near Karakorum was destroyed by Malinese Crossbowman

IBT:
While defending in the wild, Crossbowman defeats (6.00/6): Barbarian Archer (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
Attitude Change: Elizabeth(England) towards TNT1(Mali), from 'Pleased' to 'Cautious'

Turn 284/660 (1364 AD) [13-Feb-2007 22:51:59]
Catapult promoted: City Raider I
While attacking in Mongolian territory at Karakorum, Catapult loses to: Mongolian War Elephant (5.60/8) (Prob Victory: 4.4%)
While attacking in Mongolian territory at Karakorum, Catapult loses to: Mongolian War Elephant (6.08/8) (Prob Victory: 17.5%)
While attacking in Mongolian territory at Karakorum, Swordsman defeats (2.94/6): Mongolian Archer (Prob Victory: 87.2%)
While attacking in Mongolian territory at Karakorum, Swordsman defeats (0.24/6): Mongolian War Elephant (Prob Victory: 95.9%)
Crossbowman promoted: Drill I
Crossbowman promoted: Combat I
While attacking in Mongolian territory at Karakorum, Crossbowman defeats (2.22/6): Mongolian War Elephant (Prob Victory: 78.5%)
Crossbowman promoted: Drill I
Crossbowman promoted: Cover
While attacking in Mongolian territory at Karakorum, Crossbowman defeats (1.92/6): Mongolian Archer (Prob Victory: 92.3%)
Crossbowman promoted: Drill I
Crossbowman promoted: Cover
While attacking in Mongolian territory at Karakorum, Crossbowman defeats (5.04/6): Mongolian Archer (Prob Victory: 97.3%)

IBT:
While defending in Mongolian territory near Beshbalik, Crossbowman loses to: Mongolian War Elephant (4.16/8) (Prob Victory: 13.7%)
While defending in the wild, Crossbowman defeats (5.22/6): Barbarian Archer (Prob Victory: 99.8%)
Attitude Change: Augustus Caesar(Rome) towards Bismarck(Germany), from 'Annoyed' to 'Cautious'

Turn 285/660 (1370 AD) [13-Feb-2007 22:56:24]
Swordsman promoted: Combat I
While attacking in Mongolian territory at Karakorum, Axeman loses to: Mongolian War Elephant (0.80/8) (Prob Victory: 26.8%)
While attacking just off shore, Caravel defeats (1.47/3): Indian Trireme (Prob Victory: 79.3%)
While attacking in Mongolian territory at Karakorum, Crossbowman defeats (1.20/6): Mongolian Spearman (Prob Victory: 84.5%)
While attacking in Mongolian territory at Karakorum, Swordsman defeats (2.34/6): Mongolian War Elephant (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
Captured Karakorum (Genghis Khan)
Karakorum begins: Pikeman (90 turns)
Spearman promoted: Combat I

IBT:

Turn 286/660 (1376 AD) [13-Feb-2007 23:01:52]
Karakorum begins: Monument (45 turns)
Karakorum begins: Pikeman (90 turns)
Crossbowman promoted: Combat I
Kumbi Saleh grows: 6
Paris grows: 5

IBT:

Turn 287/660 (1382 AD) [13-Feb-2007 23:03:58]
Swordsman promoted: City Raider I

IBT:
While defending in Malinese territory at Karakorum, Spearman defeats (3.20/4): Mongolian War Elephant (Prob Victory: 55.4%)
Civics Change: Gandhi(India) from 'Despotism' to 'Police State'

Turn 288/660 (1388 AD) [13-Feb-2007 23:05:10]
Contact made: Russian Empire
Tech learned: Meditation
Tech learned: Polytheism
Tech learned: Calendar
Research begun: Astronomy (49 Turns)
Timbuktu finishes: Trebuchet

IBT:
While defending in the wild at Karakorum, Spearman loses to: Mongolian War Elephant (6.48/8) (Prob Victory: 32.4%)
While defending in Malinese territory near Paris, Axeman defeats (3.40/5): Barbarian Swordsman (Prob Victory: 89.2%)
Attitude Change: Augustus Caesar(Rome) towards Stalin(Russia), from 'Cautious' to 'Annoyed'
Attitude Change: Stalin(Russia) towards TNT1(Mali), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'
Attitude Change: Elizabeth(England) towards Gandhi(India), from 'Furious' to 'Annoyed'

Turn 289/660 (1394 AD) [13-Feb-2007 23:07:17]
While attacking in the wild at Karakorum, Crossbowman loses to: Mongolian War Elephant (3.76/8) (Prob Victory: 50.2%)
While attacking in Malinese territory at Karakorum, Crossbowman defeats (2.22/6): Mongolian War Elephant (Prob Victory: 94.0%)
Djenne finishes: Crossbowman

IBT:
Civics Change: Stalin(Russia) from 'Despotism' to 'Hereditary Rule'

Turn 290/660 (1400 AD) [13-Feb-2007 23:09:45]
Djenne begins: Pikeman (9 turns)
Crossbowman promoted: Drill I
Crossbowman promoted: Combat I
While attacking in Malinese territory at Karakorum, Crossbowman defeats (4.92/6): Mongolian Catapult (Prob Victory: 80.7%)

IBT:

Turn 291/660 (1406 AD) [13-Feb-2007 23:12:31]
Timbuktu finishes: Crossbowman

IBT:
Turn 292/660 (1412 AD) [13-Feb-2007 23:24:53]
Timbuktu begins: Pikeman (5 turns)
A Watermill was built near Djenne
Kumbi Saleh finishes: Colosseum
Paris grows: 6

IBT:
While defending in the wild near Karakorum, Spearman loses to: Mongolian Pachacuti (Axeman) (2.45/5) (Prob Victory: 22.9%)

Turn 293/660 (1418 AD) [13-Feb-2007 23:27:18]
Kumbi Saleh begins: Crossbowman (13 turns)
Paris finishes: Market

IBT:
While defending in the wild near Karakorum, Crossbowman defeats (6.00/6): Mongolian Pachacuti (Axeman) (Prob Victory: 99.9%)

Turn 294/660 (1424 AD) [13-Feb-2007 23:28:44]
Paris begins: Trebuchet (11 turns)
While attacking in Malinese territory at Karakorum, Chariot defeats (4.00/4): Barbarian Axeman (Prob Victory: 99.1%)
While attacking in the wild near Karakorum, Crossbowman loses to: Mongolian War Elephant (6.72/8) (Prob Victory: 13.5%)

IBT:

Turn 295/660 (1430 AD) [13-Feb-2007 23:30:42]

 

[GreyFox]

Looks like a pretty good turnset! Esp good job adding Karakorum to our empire!

 

[negyvenketto]

What a progress
Looking forward to play again (after GreyFox)

 

[GreyFox]

Huh? I am UP again? So fast???

I need a swap or skip ... or you guys need to wait 60 hrs.

 

[negyvenketto]

Team can decide we want to keep this high speed. Immaculate will miss a lot in this case. If we want I can continue this evening (6-8 hours from now) or just post comments and wait for Fox.

 

[Tatran]

I'm glad we've researched Engineering in time.
Orleans was founded on ivory, we should investigate that area to see
if Genghis has razed or captured the city.

I'm easy with the roster and the game itself. So if you have the time to play post a got it.
I don't like overdiscussion (like we see in SGOTMs),
I encourage players to make their own descisions during their turns.


Random roster :
GreyFox
negyvenketto
Tatran
The Sansman

Skipped :
Immaculate

 

[negyvenketto]

Sorry, I'm up in my other SG, too. Won't play tonight.