top 100 civilizations

[Sharwood]

Lol, I just thought naming the top 100 civilizations was kind.. of video gamish and I wanted to show that. Sorry.

Oh, I agree. Just playing along.

 

[Infantry#14]

Instead of naming ones that get to be top 100, I would name those that don't qualify.

My list of unqualified civs
Wannabes that try to break away from their current nations.

 

[Camulodunum]

wow france must be pretty good if theyve been around all these years. pretty well developed!

 

[Yui108]

1) France
Throughout the middle ages and the renaissance France was a leading example for western civilizations. The Normans conquered Sicily from the muslims, and England from the saxons. They were a top participator in the crusades also. The Pope even used to live in Avignon France, they built a whole papal palace for the pope

In the Renaissance, France was the capital of philosophers and Artists, they even got Da Vinci to go to France. And if you would go to France today, You would see they are still the capital of art, with many international works and french works

France helped to free Amerivca from the British

France has for most of the middle ages and renaissance, been the most populous country and the biggest country in Western Europe. And they were the first in Europe and probably the world that overthrew their own monarchy, established a republic, while fighting the rest of Europe. And then just a decade later, their armies marched and burned Moscow, which was farther than Hitler went. The French Revolution was the most important Event in Western Europe no questions asked.

The French also had a huge colonial holding, which spread the French language far and wide

France today remains a major European power, with the highest amount of nukes in Europe (excluding russia) and with a huge military for a european country.
France

French colonial holdings were surpassed in wealth by the Dutch.
The Dutch!

And how is participating in the Crusades a good thing? Also, France is no longer a military power, as it is far too strongly wed to the EU to be considered independently strong now. Also, the U.S. was the first in the world to implement a republic, and theirs worked

 

[Ace of Gold]

French colonial holdings were surpassed in wealth by the Dutch.
The Dutch!

And how is participating in the Crusades a good thing? Also, France is no longer a military power, as it is far too strongly wed to the EU to be considered independently strong now. Also, the U.S. was the first in the world to implement a republic, and theirs worked

Participating in the crusades shows your devotion to the pope and its bragging rights. Also the amount of wealth they carried back to France was amazing

And France is the Western European powerhouse. They have the highest tech military in Europe and they have nukes

If you dont believe me, name a country that killed its own monarchy, created a republic, fighting internal civil war while taking on all of Europe at the same time, and Won!, and then just a decade later the greatest general ever gets to moscow and burns it.l Thats farther than Hitler got!

LOL

 

[Dachs]

If you dont believe me, name a country that killed its own monarchy, created a republic, fighting internal civil war while taking on all of Europe at the same time, and Won!

The Soviet Union.

 

[Ace of Gold]

The Soviet Union.

Soviet Union was fighting germany, only one front, unlike France who was surrounded at all fronts and multiple countries.

 

[Dachs]

Soviet Union was fighting germany, only one front, unlike France who was surrounded at all fronts and multiple countries.

...what? The Russians overthrew a monarchy, instituted a republic, fought a civil war against enemies from all points of the compass that had the support of the European Great Powers (even if it was lackluster, basically nobody but Austria was seriously opposing France in Europe anyway during the war of the First Coalition ), and later marched all the way to Berlin two decades later. That sounds pretty equivalent to me.

 

[Ace of Gold]

...what? The Russians overthrew a monarchy, instituted a republic, fought a civil war against enemies from all points of the compass that had the support of the European Great Powers (even if it was lackluster, basically nobody but Austria was seriously opposing France in Europe anyway during the war of the First Coalition ), and later marched all the way to Berlin two decades later. That sounds pretty equivalent to me.

What do you mean enemies from all points? Name them. And dont say Austria cause Austria never helped Germany on the russian front

France was at with Spain, Britain, Prussia, and Austria, France was surrounded dude.

the distance from Russia to Berlin is smaller than the distance from France to Moscow

 

[Dachs]

What do you mean enemies from all points? Name them. And dont say Austria cause Austria never helped Germany on the russian front

Finland, the Baltic army of Yudenich, the Ukrainians, Kolchak's army in Siberia, the Czech Legion on the Trans-Siberian Railroad, the Green Armies, (some of) the Don Cossacks, Denikin's volunteer army, the Basmachi rebels, Poland, and then the French, British, and American expeditionary forces that were dispatched to the Civil War.

To name a few.

France was at with Spain, Britain, Prussia, and Austria, France was surrounded dude.

And Spain barely did anything, Prussia was more worried about Poland, and Britain had no ability to do anything outside of the high seas.

the distance from Russia to Berlin is smaller than the distance from France to Moscow

Napoleon had to go back home right after he did it. The Soviet Union stayed for 45 years.

 

[Ace of Gold]

Finland, the Baltic army of Yudenich, the Ukrainians, Kolchak's army in Siberia, the Czech Legion on the Trans-Siberian Railroad, the Green Armies, (some of) the Don Cossacks, Denikin's volunteer army, the Basmachi rebels, Poland, and then the French, British, and American expeditionary forces that were dispatched to the Civil War.

To name a few.

And Spain barely did anything, Prussia was more worried about Poland, and Britain had no ability to do anything outside of the high seas.

Napoleon had to go back home right after he did it. The Soviet Union stayed for 45 years.

most of those are small groups of rebels, not countries

Soviets had the support of USA, UK, and France and thats how they kept control of eastern germany for so long. Napoleon had no support.

 

[Dachs]

most of those are small groups of rebels, not countries

False. There were around a million - probably more like a million and a half - fighters in the White, Polish, and Allied forces that fought in the Civil War, along with the countless peasants that resisted the war communism acquisitions on a grass-roots level. There's a reason that the war lasted for four years of major fighting and even more of lower-intensity conflict.

Soviets had the support of USA, UK, and France and thats how they kept control of eastern germany for so long. Napoleon had no support.

The Soviets had the support of the USA, UK, and France in the Cold War? That's news to me.

 

[Ace of Gold]

False. There were around a million - probably more like a million and a half - fighters in the White, Polish, and Allied forces that fought in the Civil War, along with the countless peasants that resisted the war communism acquisitions on a grass-roots level. There's a reason that the war lasted for four years of major fighting and even more of lower-intensity conflict.

The Soviets had the support of the USA, UK, and France in the Cold War? That's news to me.

no soviets had their support during the peace talks of WW2

 

[Dachs]

no soviets had their support during the peace talks of WW2

That sounds like "them not being stupid" more than "France being 'better' than them somehow".

 

[Sharwood]

Also, the U.S. was the first in the world to implement a republic, and theirs worked

Once upon a time, there was this place called Rome.

 

[Ace of Gold]

Once upon a time, there was this place called Rome.

Even before that, Greece.

 

[Dachs]

Even before that, Greece.

It's correct, but I don't know if you know why you're right. Do you know much about the federal structure of the Achaian League?

 

[Sharwood]

It's correct, but I don't know if you know why you're right. Do you know much about the federal structure of the Achaian League?

I thought the Roman Republic predated them?

 

[Dachs]

I thought the Roman Republic predated them?

But not really as a republic per se. In the form it existed in immediately after the Tarquinii were chased out, the Republic was much more like the democracy at Athenai. It only developed many of its other offices later, around the same time as the Achaians, and even then the League had a closer structure to the federal United States than the Romans did.

 

[Sharwood]

But not really as a republic per se. In the form it existed in immediately after the Tarquinii were chased out, the Republic was much more like the democracy at Athenai. It only developed many of its other offices later, around the same time as the Achaians, and even then the League had a closer structure to the federal United States than the Romans did.

Oh, I'm aware that the Roman Republic wasn't even close to a modern republic, I just thought they predated the Achaeans with their particular model. A check of wiki reveals we're both right.