Tough times to be a fascist

[Tahuti]

While I agree the threat posed by China has been overstated, or at least, is systemic, rather than a result of their government, China most certainly does NOT bank on it's nuclear arsenel.

They have not strongly invested in second strike capabilities, or that much in the way of long range rockets. China strongly relies on it's conventional army to pull it's weight in diplomacy.

Do they bank on their numerical superiority then? China's army is technologically in a sorry state, in spite of some interesting developments. Japan could easily match China despite its numerical inferiority.

 

[Akka]

Not really sure about 'aggressive foreign policy'. I'm trying, but I can't recall China involved militarily in anything, or even rattling the saber in my lifetime...

China ? Not aggressive ? Have you slept under a rock the last decades or what ?
Invasion and annexation of Tibet ?
War with India ?
War with Vietnam ?
Korean War ?
Territorial disputes (variously involving show of military forces, ships ramming and/or putting people in front of faits accomplis) with Japan, Korea, Vietnam, Philippine ?
And I'm probably forgetting a few.

 

[ParkCungHee]

Do they bank on their numerical superiority then? China's army is technologically in a sorry state, in spite of some interesting developments. Japan could easily match China despite its numerical inferiority.

Numbers, not just of men but equipment, but also the economic repercussions of a war in East Asia. Generally this, and not Nuclear Weapons is what China banks on to prevent an invasion, because it can't or draw in a Nuclear conflict.

This is, I think, the most helpful sign of China's peaceful intent.

 

[Tahuti]

Numbers, not just of men but equipment, but also the economic repercussions of a war in East Asia. Generally this, and not Nuclear Weapons is what China banks on to prevent an invasion, because it can't or draw in a Nuclear conflict.

This is, I think, the most helpful sign of China's peaceful intent.

Essentially, the PRC is just like an Italian merchant republic, but with a very large tract of land.

 

[ParkCungHee]

Essentially. Beijing, Shanghai, Macau, Hong Kong, Guangzho, with some other bits attached.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

China ? Not aggressive ? Have you slept under a rock the last decades or what ?
Invasion and annexation of Tibet ?
War with India ?
War with Vietnam ?
Korean War ?
Territorial disputes (variously involving show of military forces, ships ramming and/or putting people in front of faits accomplis) with Japan, Korea, Vietnam, Philippine ?
And I'm probably forgetting a few.

As stated repeatedly, Tibet was before I was born.

I did say something about border squabbles with India, but that's a pretty dim recollection...you call it an actual war? Let me go look...okay, I was a year old, no wonder I missed that...thirty day invasion followed by unilateral ceasefire...fewer casualties than the last 'pacification' of Gaza...50 years of peace since. We could use more of that kind of aggression in the world.

VietNam...three weeks in the spring of 79...I was stoned and missed that one too. Looks nasty though. Seems the Chinese were protecting Cambodia for some reason. Anybody have a clue why no one else helped with that?

Korean war was before I was born too, but I seem to recall that the foreign adventurists in that one were occidentals...but as I say, long before I was born so I'm operating on history and legends.

As to various 'show of force' and other interference operations...if that's aggression we are all in trouble.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Numbers, not just of men but equipment, but also the economic repercussions of a war in East Asia. Generally this, and not Nuclear Weapons is what China banks on to prevent an invasion, because it can't or draw in a Nuclear conflict.

This is, I think, the most helpful sign of China's peaceful intent.

Basically invading China would be insane. There is no way that an occupying force could control that many people. The US couldn't occupy and control Iraq, for crying out loud. They know that, so they are not paranoid about getting invaded.

 

[jackelgull]

As stated repeatedly, Tibet was before I was born.

I did say something about border squabbles with India, but that's a pretty dim recollection...you call it an actual war? Let me go look...okay, I was a year old, no wonder I missed that...thirty day invasion followed by unilateral ceasefire...fewer casualties than the last 'pacification' of Gaza...50 years of peace since. We could use more of that kind of aggression in the world.

VietNam...three weeks in the spring of 79...I was stoned and missed that one too. Looks nasty though. Seems the Chinese were protecting Cambodia for some reason. Anybody have a clue why no one else helped with that?

Korean war was before I was born too, but I seem to recall that the foreign adventurists in that one were occidentals...but as I say, long before I was born so I'm operating on history and legends.

As to various 'show of force' and other interference operations...if that's aggression we are all in trouble.

This is a result of living in the modern world I'm glad to say- what a country can realistically get away with has decreased since WW2 as the world has learned its lesson on letting countries with aggressive foreign policy go unchecked. Unless that country is the US or Israel, these guys get a free pass.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

This is a result of living in the modern world I'm glad to say- what a country can realistically get away with has decreased since WW2 as the world has learned its lesson on letting countries with aggressive foreign policy go unchecked. Unless that country is the US or Israel, these guys get a free pass.

I think even more than what a country can or can't get away with...in the modern world where is the reward? If you "successfully" invade a modern nation...completely wipe out their military...what have you got? A whole bunch of people who need a substantial infrastructure just to keep from starving and who without advanced infrastructure aren't even productive. And they hate you.

There was a time when conquered territory meant land and slaves (or at least subjugated people) to work it. But you can't use slaves or subjugated people to run complex processes, and without running complex processes for production what use is a modern nation, really?

 

[gay_Aleks]

I guess you should follow the old maxim: if conquering them gives no profit, try trading with them.

 

[Akka]

As stated repeatedly, Tibet was before I was born.

I did say something about border squabbles with India, but that's a pretty dim recollection...you call it an actual war? Let me go look...okay, I was a year old, no wonder I missed that...thirty day invasion followed by unilateral ceasefire...fewer casualties than the last 'pacification' of Gaza...50 years of peace since. We could use more of that kind of aggression in the world.

VietNam...three weeks in the spring of 79...I was stoned and missed that one too. Looks nasty though. Seems the Chinese were protecting Cambodia for some reason. Anybody have a clue why no one else helped with that?

Korean war was before I was born too, but I seem to recall that the foreign adventurists in that one were occidentals...but as I say, long before I was born so I'm operating on history and legends.

As to various 'show of force' and other interference operations...if that's aggression we are all in trouble.

You specifically said you didn't remember China doing even "saber rattling" and then just dismiss/twist into irrelevance nearly every instance of China doing this and more.

 

[Phrossack]

You specifically said you didn't remember China doing even "saber rattling" and then just dismiss/twist into irrelevance nearly every instance of China doing this and more.

It's not saber-rattling, it's saber-slicing.

So teeechnically...

 

[Borachio]

Fascism is sexy. Probably because it seems a little dangerous and transgressive (yet paradoxically demanding conformity).

I can't see anything wrong it.


Link to video.

Oh no, wait, that was Nazism.

Let's do some boiling down.

There are only two ideologies: fascism and pacifism. Place your bets, ladies and gentlemen. Rien ne va plus.

 

[Tahuti]

Fascism is sexy. Probably because it seems a little dangerous and transgressive (yet paradoxically demanding conformity).

You must create your own conformity.

 

[classical_hero]

Fascism is alive and well in the EU.

 

[Arwon]

Fascism is alive and well in the EU.

good night, ladies and gentlemen!

 

[gay_Aleks]

Fascism is sexy. Probably because it seems a little dangerous and transgressive (yet paradoxically demanding conformity).

I can't see anything wrong it.


Link to video.

Oh no, wait, that was Nazism.

Let's do some boiling down.

There are only two ideologies: fascism and pacifism. Place your bets, ladies and gentlemen. Rien ne va plus.

I'll place 10 bucks of now-non-existent currency on communism.

 

[plarq]

I bet 10 Soviet Rubles.

 

[Borachio]

I bet a potato on pacifism.

 

[Loppan Torkel]

Tough time to be an anti fascist too. It's really same all.
http://www.thelocal.se/20140823/ten-injured-at-malm-anti-nazi-demonstration