Tovergieter is a...

[Tahuti]

What nationality do you think I am?

Discuss

 

[Kyriakos]

You are Jewish-Dutch, in that order. Likely your affinities lie to Israel no-matter what it does, and then to some idea of western european nobles, which you somehow want to see yourself as being despite your asian descend.

2/10, would not allow entrance to Europe for more like that

 

[Tahuti]

You are Jewish-Dutch, in that order.

It's all Greek to me.

Likely your affinities lie to Israel no-matter what it does

If Israel were to bomb the Netherlands I'd support the latter. Swap Netherlands for Bulgaria or Belgium if you like.

 

[Lohrenswald]

Is the adjective form of "dutchman" "dutchmanly"?

 

[Tahuti]

Is the adjective form of "dutchman" "dutchmanly"?

That would be really cool if true, though sadly, it isn't the case. It's "Dutch".

 

[Domen]

IIRC, you are Dutch+Jewish.

When you mix these two, the result is Bulgarian-like.

So I vote Bulgarian.

 

[Tahuti]

IIRC, you are Dutch+Jewish.

When you mix these two, the result is Bulgarian-like.

So I vote Bulgarian.

I hope Tolni is okay with that.

 

[Hygro]

A Frisian-Hollander

 

[Domen]

My Dutch+Jewish = Bulgarian prediction comes true!

At least when we compare EEF / WHG / ANE admixtures (see the link for more info):

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=13882232#post13882232

Ashkenazi Jewish - 0.931 / 0.000 (?*) / 0.069
English (as a substitute for Dutch**) - 0.495 / 0.364 / 0.141

If we mix them in 50/50 proportions, we get - 0.713 / 0.182 / 0.105

And Bulgarians have (on average) - 0.712 / 0.147 / 0.141

Pretty close! Bulgarians have a bit more ANE, and a bit less WHG. But exactly the same EEF.

*I guess that was an unusual sample, they should have at least a small bit of WHG.

**There is no data on Dutch, unfortunately. But I guess English or French is a good equivalent.

 

[Domen]

According to the most recent study by Shai Carmi, James Xue and Itsik Pe’er of the Columbia University, the two modern ethnic groups which are among the most closely related ones to modern Jews in terms of paternal ancestry, are:

1) the Druze: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Druze

2) the Samaritans: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samaritans

Also the Cypriots* come pretty close (they overlap with both Sephardim and Ashkenazim).

*It seems that there are no distinguishable DNA differences between Cypriots who speak Greek and these who speak Turkish.

 

[Snerk]

Tovergjeter is a Khajiit, no?

 

[gay_Aleks]

Khajit like to sneak! The rocks of Skyrim so bleak!

 

[Domen]

Carmi and Xue also suggest a link between Jews, Samaritans, and Assyrians:

a common ancestor in what is today identified as the paternally inherited Israelite high priesthood (Cohanim) with a common ancestor projected to the time of the Assyrian conquest of the kingdom of Israel.

Some people still identify as Assyrians today:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_people

"Iraqi Assyrian child":

They have been present in the Near East for thousands of years before Arab expansions.

History of Assyrians: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Assyrian_people

The history of the Assyrian people begins with the formation of Assyria circa 2500 BC, followed by rise of the Akkadian Empire during the 24th century BC, in the early bronze age period. Sargon of Akkad united all the native Akkadian-speaking Semites and the Sumerians of Mesopotamia (including the Assyrians) under his rule. After the fall of the Akkadian Empire, the Akkadians split into two nations, Assyria in the north and much later, Babylonia in the south. However, Babylonia unlike Assyria, was founded and originally ruled by non indigenous Amorites, and was more often than not ruled by other waves of non indigenous peoples such as Kassites, Hittites, Elamites, Arameans and Chaldeans. (...)

"Iraqi Arab child":

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Palestinian Arabs have a large degree of common ancestry with Jews, but - on the whole - they are "shifted to the south" genetically, if compared with Ancient inhabitants of Palestine. A shift caused by Arab migrations and by importing African slaves by Muslim rulers. Jews, on the other hand, avoided that southern admixture from Arabs and African slaves, because they were no longer living in Palestine:

(...) As for the Palestinians, despite the political agenda to see them as some sort of relic of the Canaanites, and therefore entitled to throw the Jews into the sea, I think it's clear that they are not an unmixed remnant population, although I think there is a distinction between Christian Palestinians and Muslim Palestinians. If comparing them to other Levant people isn't enough, there is documented movement of Arab people into the area after the Muslim conquest, a movement that brought a big increase of Sub-Saharan African admixture in the region. Gaza, in particular has seen a lot of migration from the Sinai. (...)

To sum up:

Jews = people of Ancient Levant + some historical European - mostly Mediterranean - admixture
Palestinian Arabs = people of Ancient Levant + some historical Arab and Sub-Saharan admixture

In both cases the "core" is identical, but "flavours / spices" are of different origins.

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Edit:

For example here is data for West African ancestry (Palestinians have 3-4 times more of it than Jews):

http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?2261-Why-do-people-exaggerate-the-SSA-admix-in-Arabia

 

[gay_Aleks]

You have an incredible talent of ruining fun topics, Domen.

 

[Domen]

Why ruining fun topics? Just adding a serious admixture.

 

[gay_Aleks]

Yes, of course, serious admixture is precisely what this thread needs.

 

[Domen]

I see that you don't like my idea that 50%Dutch/Belgian+50%Jewish = Bulgarian.

Perhaps 25%Dutch+25%Jewish+25%Ukrainian+25%Turkish makes a better equivalent of Bulgarian.

Oh and I forgot about Greek, some percent of Greek is there for sure. This becomes complicated.

 

[gay_Aleks]

Or maybe we could avoid race arithmetics and instead mock KG for how he'll sink and drown in the near century.

 

[Perfection]

Unamerican

 

[Domen]

and instead mock KG for how he'll sink and drown in the near century.

And that's the advantage of being Dutch-Jewish instead of just Dutch.

When the Netherlands fall under sea level, he can always move to Israel.

He can also move to Bulgaria, as we have just managed to figure out.