Travelling in Europe

Oh, and as for Spain -

Above all else, you want to go to Andalucia, especially Granada but also Sevilla and Cádiz. The Alhambra is totally worth it, but book a ticket in advance because they only let in limited numbers each day.

Barcelona is the least Spanish city in Spain (both because of Catalan and because it's so international) but has some amazing stuff regardless, particularly architecturally.

Madrid's a strange city, it's not that pretty or old, but it's the heart of the country's culture and such. The three art muesums around Atocha are probably the biggest must-sees, and this is from someone who isn't that into art.

San Sebastian is probably the best food destination, that's kinda what it's famous for.
 
you are aware that you probably just picked the most well-known tourist destination in all of Switzerland? :ack:

I've never heard of it. I would've thought Interlaken and Lucerne would be the most well-known and popular places. Is there much difference in the quality of, say, Lucerne and Zermatt, or are they pretty much the same, just with different names?

My advice would be to forget the whole "unknown/obscure" thing, especially if you're just looking for some cool solo "traveller not a tourist" enlightened horizons-expanding backpacker type buzz from seeing something other people don't. It's a bit of a joke.

Travel (especially in Europe) is such a mass industry these days, even backpacking, that anything remotely worthwhile is already getting visited quite a bit. Just see what you wanna see, don't worry if other people already have.

Yeah, all I really want to see are the major tourist attractions plus whatever else I can fit in. I'm just trying to figure out the latter. :)

When are you travelling? In Finland there's not really anything to see. Winter and midsummer might be exotic for you. To experience winter you should be here in January or February and in inner Finland, there's no real winter in Helsinki. And perhaps you have already seen snow and -30 C temperatures. Summer is best experienced at the countryside too, but midsummer can be exotic also in Helsinki, as every place is shut, and it looks like there had been a massive disaster: There's almost nobody in the town, since every Finn has gone to forest to drink him/herself unconscious.

I'd be in Helsinki in July (as the plan is currently), with my cousins and my sister. So it's deserted in July, like a mega-ghost town? Or is that more in August-September?

Then pop by on your way to Finland. I can offer a quick tour in Tallinn and a drink. :)

I may do just that. I haven't quite figured out the whole north-Eastern Europe thing yet. What (other than yourself, of course) does Tallinn have to offer?

France - my favourite places were Paris, Caen, Mont St Michel, Avignon, Strasbourg. I found the churches of Tolouse cool, but there really wasn't that much to see. I haven't seen the castles of Loare, they say they're great. Oh,

Germany - Berlin isn't bad, but 1 day is more than enough. Koeln is a very nice place. Lately I've been to Trier and Koblenz, and both were very nice cities, esp. Trier.

Really? I would've thought you'd need 4 or 5 days in Berlin to see everything. Is there not much to see, or does it just not interest you?

Benelux: I didn't like Luxembourg at all, but perhaps it's just me. Brussels was nice, Delft was nice, Tournai was nice. Antwerp was nice.

My sister tells me Luxembourg is nice (for a day), but Belgium is a hole. Would I be correct in assuming I could see pretty everything interesting in Brussels in one day?

Spain - I have seen only some places in Catalonia, Euskadia and Al-Andalus. I'll advertise Sevilla above all else, but also Malaga, Grenada and Cordoba. Barcelona was nice as well.

This is particularly something I'm not sure about. Barcelona or Bilbao? My sister went to both, and she says that Barcelona wasn't that great, but that Bilbao was brilliant. Is Barcelona just sand and beaches, or is there more to it that I wouldn't get from, say, Bilbao?

Greece - Thessalonike has some nice byzantine churches, but is not anything amazing. Athenes suck, apart from the Acropolis. Of smaller places, I advise you to go to Vergina, which is close to Thessalonike - it's nothing on the outside, but you can see the graves of father and son of Alexander the Great, their crowns etc, and it's cool. Nauplion was a relatively nice city as well. Mistra is said to be fine. It's just next to Sparta, which is not worth much attention, because there's nothing left.

So Athens isn't worth the trouble getting to it?

Switzerland - I don't recall any really interesting city, perhaps apart from Bern.

Austria - Vienna... perhaps Salzburg.

One particular question I have about Austria is southern Austria. Is Klagenfurt or Villach worth a day or two, or is it just a bunch of nondescript lakes?

Italy - Venice, Siena (!!!), Firenze, Rome, Naples, Asigi (?),
Palermo is said to be very interesting.
I liked Padova a lot. Ravenna is different from the others mentioned, you can see nice byzantine monuments there.

Siena? What is there in Siena?

Czech RP - just Prague. There's an extremly nice castle, called Karlstein or so, but as far as I know it's closed for tourism.

That's a shame. Is that a common occurrence in Europe? Viable attractions being closed to the public?

hungary - nothing to see. The parliament in Budapest is a nice thing, but it's the only thing of any interest to me there.

Yeah, I pretty much want to go for the parliament. I hear it has some interesting old/new divisions, too.
 
Not really obscure, just relatively unknown, or not the most popular tourist attraction. I know what the big tourist attractions are, and I will go to see them, so there's no real point in asking about them. Zermatt is the kind of example I'm looking for (I've never heard of it, despite what KaeptnOvi says). What made you pick Zermatt as a really good place to see?

I know. That's why I asked. But let's face it, it's not exactly the Eiffel tower. Luckily(that tower is ugly as sin).

Ok, I might have misstated it...Zermatt in itself isn't that famous, but the Matterhorn most certainly is, and if you want to see that up close there's no way around Zermatt :)

as for cities, Squonk is pretty much on target: If it's cities you're after you might skip Switzerland. Our cities don't really add anything that other, larger european cities don't...shorttrips to smaller towns like Stein am Rhein might be worthwile, though :)

I've never heard of it. I would've thought Interlaken and Lucerne would be the most well-known and popular places. Is there much difference in the quality of, say, Lucerne and Zermatt, or are they pretty much the same, just with different names?
those three aren't really compareable: Interlaken is a small town that's become a starting point for many tourists (especially back packers) and offers a large number of attractions (river rafting, canyoning, bungee, etc...). You're probably more familiar with Queenstown in NZ. It's compareable to that.

Zermatt is a mountain resort at the foot of the Matterhorn. Small-ish and traffic-free. It's the place you go to if you want to see the Matterhorn

Lucerne is one of the bigger cities in Switzerland. Due to its location close to the alps and it's nice old downtown it's become quite a tourist destination.
 
Not really obscure, just relatively unknown, or not the most popular tourist attraction. I know what the big tourist attractions are, and I will go to see them, so there's no real point in asking about them. Zermatt is the kind of example I'm looking for (I've never heard of it, despite what KaeptnOvi says). What made you pick Zermatt as a really good place to see?

It has a famous railway connection called the Glacier express, that goes across Switzerland with some very impressive scenery(and with the pass, it's very cheap). The village is primarily catered to tourists, because it's the only source of income they have I suspect.
So beautiful scenery. It's not completely overflowing with tourists. Paragliding skiing, and so on. And quite expensive.
But you should visit at least one day, so you can take pictures like this:
Zermatt_and_Matterhorn.jpg


And if you like fantastic nature. Try to come to Norway too. But we don't have much railroad, so you have to rent a car to see the best sights, like this(strictly speaking you don't need a car to see this):

Spoiler :
641.jpg


edit: In Norway you also have the opportunity to spot russian missiles. But you have to be lucky(or perhaps unlucky).
 
Spoiler :
When it comes to Turkey, I encourage you to go to the eastern part, but necessarily take a Turkey-specific guidebook with you. Cities to see there are:
- Istanbul of course,
- Konya, for once to see the sanctuary of Mevlana. And once at Konya, make a short trip to a very, very near village... well, I've forgotten the name. It starts with Si- and you cal reach it by a city bus. Very nice.
- there are some cool castles north to Adana, I encourage you to go to Kozan castle.
- Sumela monastery next to Trabzon
- Ani ruins, next to Kars
- Sanliurfa
- Diyarbakir would be a nice trip, but it's a very neglected, dirty town, and the political situation there is strained.
- Akdamar island on Van lake
- the castle of Van and the ruins of the city destroyed during ww1 are something nice to watch, and the hotels in that city are VERY cheap. Well, there are cockroaches there, but I've spent 5x less money there on hotel than in Konya
- Hasankeyf
- Dogubayazit

Unfortunately, I don't think I'll have time to get past Istanbul in Turkey. :(

Spoiler :
There's nothing to see in Belarus, skip it. Grodno (Hrodna) used to be a nice city they say, but not anymore.

This is what I was thinking. But. I hear that Belarus is a remnant of the Cold War that is worth visiting sheerly for the backwardness. Sure, it doesn't have any attractions (of note), but is it worth going to because of this Soviet-esque atmosphere, or can I see nearly identical things elsewhere?

Spoiler :
Ukraine - Lwów (Lwiw). It's the nicest polish city... well, now it's ukrainian. But necessarily, necessarily Lwow. If you have to chose between kiev and Lwow, chose Lwow. Oh, and there's a nice and fameous castle a bit further to the east, Kamieniec Podolski.

What exactly is there in Lviv that makes it better than Kiev? Is it just a more historic centre, or something?

Spoiler :
Oh, and as for Spain -

Above all else, you want to go to Andalucia, especially Granada but also Sevilla and Cádiz. The Alhambra is totally worth it, but book a ticket in advance because they only let in limited numbers each day.

Barcelona is the least Spanish city in Spain (both because of Catalan and because it's so international) but has some amazing stuff regardless, particularly architecturally.

Madrid's a strange city, it's not that pretty or old, but it's the heart of the country's culture and such. The three art muesums around Atocha are probably the biggest must-sees, and this is from someone who isn't that into art.

San Sebastian is probably the best food destination, that's kinda what it's famous for.

So south Spain's the way to go? Interesting. Is it truly better in every aspect, or is it more a matter of personal historical interest and taste? Would it be worth going to, say, Sevilla instead of Barcelona, or is Barcelona a must see?
 
Possibly personal taste, but the thing with BCN is that it's a lot more like the rest of Europe than other parts of the country... I love it, but to a certain extent you could be in a dozen other European cities. I'd say go to Sevilla.
 
Czech RP - just Prague. There's an extremly nice castle, called Karlstein or so, but as far as I know it's closed for tourism.

I disagree :p

Prague is nice, but it is a huge tourist trap.

Few basic advice:

- don't, I mean DO NOT EVER TAKE A CAB in Prague. You will get overcharged. The only safe way to use taxi service in Prague is to travel with someone who is a Czech.
- do not eat or buy stuff in places with many tourists, the prices are usually two or three times higher than in the rest of the city
- do not give anything to beggars, these guys earn more than you do.


There are many nice places in the Czech Rep. you should see - Lednicko-Valtický areál, castles like Karlštejn, Pernštejn, Kost etc. Google some decent page about tourism in the Czech Rep. to find locations you might want to visit.

---

EDIT1:
Don't forget Strasbourg - wonderful cathedral, nice historic city center, the European Parliament building...

EDIT2:
And Vienna. You absolutely have to see Vienna.
 
@Camikaze: I found Brussels absolutely amazing, and from what I've seen online, I think I would like other places in Belgium (like Bruges) even more. I would easily spend a week there and not be bored one second! Hell, that's way too little to see everything.
 
I may do just that. I haven't quite figured out the whole north-Eastern Europe thing yet. What (other than yourself, of course) does Tallinn have to offer?
Well, we have an Old Town, which, according to UNESCO World Heritage List is "an outstanding and exceptionally complete and well preserved example of a medieval northern European trading city that retains the salient features of this unique form of economic and social community to a remarkable degree".
In other words, because Tallinn fell from once-important Hanseatic city to become a provincial backwater by the time most other European cities modernized and built boulevards, the walled medieval part of the city has remained very much intact.

Apart from that, we specialize in lousy weather and national dishes designed to spook people. :lol:
 
Wow thats an awesome trip you're going on!

The best advice for any trveller has already been said a few times - pack light. This really cannot be emphasised enough. Don't bring any luggage that you have to check in. All you need is enough clothes for a few days and money, along with any travel documentation and hygiene related stuff.

Another thing I would reccommend is not to get hung up about "attractions" or seeing the famous sites. You learn far more about the country you're in by striking up a conversation whenever you can. After all what makes a country isn't bricks and mortar or some mountain, its the people.

I wouldn't go to Ireland though. There really is nothing of note here. Unless you're interested in something Irish specific like The Troubles or Irish music. Maybe Dublin for a day - Guinness factory, Book of Kells, hit a few pubs. But its a bit of a detour. Maybe you have family here or something?

As for Spain, I would favor Barcelona over Andalucia, but there are some amazing things to do there too. Do both if you can. The Alhambra is amazing. I love Spain because everyone is so laid back. Its a bit of a cliche but its true. Places stay open really late, which is great if you're a night person like me.

I would highly reccommend Belgium and Holland. Nicest people I've met in the few European countries I've been to. Brussels is a bit bland but theres the EU stuff which may interest you. Amsterdam is not half as seedy as people make it out to be, it has some amazing museums (the Rijksmuseum will blow your mind) and galleries aswell as a great nightlife. Also, Febo is genius after the pub.

After that I can't say much. I've only been to other places relatively briefly.
 
Which way are you coming into Romania, from Bulgaria (south), Moldova (NE), Ukraine (N), Serbia (SW) or Hungary (W)? :) I can give you a lot of info about various things that you can see along the way.
 
Talinn is better than Helsinki.
 
@KaeptnOvi, Lillefix and Arwon- thanks for the advice and info. :goodjob:

I disagree :p

Prague is nice, but it is a huge tourist trap.

Few basic advice:

- don't, I mean DO NOT EVER TAKE A CAB in Prague. You will get overcharged. The only safe way to use taxi service in Prague is to travel with someone who is a Czech.
- do not eat or buy stuff in places with many tourists, the prices are usually two or three times higher than in the rest of the city
- do not give anything to beggars, these guys earn more than you do.

Great advice. :goodjob: Would it be safe to assume that this is pretty much true of most big cities in Europe?

Is public transport existent/good in the Czech Republic (other than the railway in and out of the country)?

There are many nice places in the Czech Rep. you should see - Lednicko-Valtický areál, castles like Karlštejn, Pernštejn, Kost etc. Google some decent page about tourism in the Czech Rep. to find locations you might want to visit.

So I get the impression that the Czech Rep. is largely known for its castles? I must say, from quick searches, those places look quite pretty.

Don't forget Strasbourg - wonderful cathedral, nice historic city center, the European Parliament building...

Would it be possible to spend a couple of days in Strasbourg without feeling like your missing out on somewhere else?

@Camikaze: I found Brussels absolutely amazing, and from what I've seen online, I think I would like other places in Belgium (like Bruges) even more. I would easily spend a week there and not be bored one second! Hell, that's way too little to see everything.

Interesting. I heard that all there was was the Manneken Pis. I guess I'll have to investigate that further. Of course, I'd have to go to Brugges for the chocolate...
 
I would highly reccommend Belgium and Holland. Nicest people I've met in the few European countries I've been to. Brussels is a bit bland but theres the EU stuff which may interest you. Amsterdam is not half as seedy as people make it out to be, it has some amazing museums (the Rijksmuseum will blow you mind) and galleries aswell as a great nightlife. Also, Febo is genius after the pub.

How does everyone find Brussels "a bit bland"? It was one of the most amazing places I've ever been to!

grand-place-grote-markt-brussels-bebrgp1.jpg
 
I disagree :p

Prague is nice, but it is a huge tourist trap.

Prague is a beautiful City. But do not specifically go to the Charles Bridge. Screw what the tour books said. It's not that amazing, the view is meh-ish. It is full of a people and full of tourist knitches. Only walk through it if it is on the way.

Greece - Fly to Athens. Visit the Acropolis. Fly to Santorini from Athens. Its is beautiful there with all the white and the blue and the cobbled streets and church. Go to Rhodes too. Old Town Rhodes is choked with interesting sites, the Templer Castle, the Huge-ass main street. They have lots of restaurants and cafes that are very good and smashed in the middle of the old streets. Get to the walls. Pretend it 1522 and Suleiman is sieging you. Its awesome.

France - The Versailles deserves at least a half day. Get there early or you will die lining up. And I mean really early. When I went there at like 8.30, there was already a short queue (25 metres) when I got there. I waited for an hour (combination of Striking French workers and opening time) and the queue shot up to 200 metres. It gets longer in the Afternoon. Chances are, because of the large amounts of people, you will not be able to enjoy it slowly. But its worth the visit. Afterwards, go to the Garden behind. Spend a half day there. Rest on the grass, go (rental) biking in the huge compound. It's worth it. There is also a smaller summer palace in the Gardens that is very beautiful and is not really choked with people. Go there too.

For Paris, I suggest you skip the Eiffle Tower and the Arch de Triumph. Its overrated and not worth the trip. Admire it from afar. Go to the Invalides which is the Military war Museum and Napoleon's Tomb. The Notre Dame, The Louve (it can take up and entire day) drinking coffee by the River Seine at sunset.
 
I would not visit Athens. Really it must the ugliest city in Greece. Only the Acropolis and immediately surrounding area is nice.

As for Thessalonike, it is better, but still not that great. The center is full of byzantine churches and some other buildings of importance.

I would instead visit some islands, like Corfu or Rhodes. As for inland cities Nauplion has already been mentioned. I really havent travelled a lot inside this country though :)
 
Back
Top Bottom