Turkish security assault protesters. In Washington.

It's not the first time the Sultan's thugs have attacked protestors in America. I'd like to see America do the same as Germany and investigate using Jordan as an alternative to Incirlik and scale back relations with Turkey.
 
The New York Times has a 2-minute video of pretty good quality, not just someone with a cell-phone camera. You can clearly see men in grey suits kicking and stomping people who are on the ground. In this brief video, it looks like the police arrested not a single one. I mean, it's right in front of them: A guy kicks a downed man in the face with the point of his shoe, and a police officer comes over and shoves the guy and says "get back across the street." Later, the police are clearly restraining some people on the ground, but it doesn't look like any of the guys in grey suits. In the aftermath, you can see women sitting on the ground, and an overturned (empty) baby-stroller. A woman on Twitter claims a couple of the targets of the attack were Kurdish-American girls.
 
Sounds like the guys in grey suits probably had "Diplomatic Immunity"
 
Can't touch me, Can't touch me. Just like the bad guy from Lethal Weapon 2, i've got diplomatic immunity so you can't sue.
 
Ehm, another ludicrously bad move, which again regardless of how horrible govs will deal (or not deal) with it is not to leave a non-nasty impression to the actual public...

And it goes to show the mentality of those people, acting like thugs even when in a foreign country.
 
immunity-shmmunity...those human poops in the black suits needed to get a pounding from our cops [pissed] [pissed] [pissed]
 
If they have Diplomatic Immunity the Turkish ambassador should be told to put them on the next plane back to Ankara.

If they do not they have most likely already left.
 
Silurian said:
If they have Diplomatic Immunity the Turkish ambassador should be told to put them on the next plane back to Ankara.

If they do not they have most likely already left.
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That would unfairly impede the Turkish Embassy's God-Given right to beat the crap out of those who dare to question the Sultan.
 
warpus said:
Doesn't America have her own security guards and police to use in this situation? Why import security from another country to police American citizens?
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They're not meant to 'police American citizens'. They're meant to protect the ambassador (or whichever official is visiting).

That's why this is a news story; the ambassador did not need protecting. The guards attacked protesters in a scenario where the two should never have had interaction to begin with.
 
God-Given rights are not the same as legal rights
 
what's the surprise ? The bodyguards fight anyone they can beat whenever they are abroad , proves the matchless heroism of the country . Allowed to happen whenever it suits . And not when not . At the funeral of the Muhammed Ali , the Police was present in such numbers that they could barely touch the coffin .

the visit itself was "good". America's stamp of approval on the referandum results . To get that the PM apologised publicly for his support of Jihadists and offered it wouldn't happen again through a translation mistake . More personally "people" were even proven wrong by a fulsome reference to the Turkish Brigade in Korea . Retired officers on TV explain this with stuff that Marine Officer curricula studies the 1950-3 combats of the said with full attention and there are so many retired Marines at high positions of the Administration of BSS .

but then Turks are to be demonized , with all the preparation made before . Hence evil Turks attack poor Kurds . America asks for the Turkish Ambrassador to leave or something . Because Ankara is so heroic they return that with a demand that McGurk , the US envoy to the seperatists be removed . Even McCain is talking against Turkey , imagine the glory of that .

and there's bound to be nothing like a change . After this glorious 2 hours in Washington we in Turkey now learn the Congregation has taken over China as proven by the similarities of the Silk Road videos to the ones that used to run here , ergo we should not join that trade inititiave .
 
God I would love to see some US police brutality in this case. Especcialy on that bastard kicking lying old man to head.
 


There are two sides on this incident !

The one side:
  • These attacks happened at a stone throw distance of the entrance of the Turkish embassy and the car with Erdogan himself waiting to step out, to go inside.
  • The USA police protection was very poor for a head of state of a country where bombing and attacks happen continuously (just look at the vid how few police officers and compare that with the army of USA officers when the USA President is visiting a foreign country).
  • So.... Erdogan waited for security reasons with stepping out of his car until the people of the demonstration were forced at greater distance by his own people.
  • From the NYT: "The Turkish embassy released a statement late Wednesday that contradicted United States officials and video evidence and blamed the demonstrators, who, it said, had been “aggressively provoking Turkish-American citizens who had peacefully assembled to greet the president.” The president’s supporters and security forces were reacting in self-defense, the statement said".
All in all a poor, ill-prepared, amateuristic protection by the US government.


The other side:
IF you take a good look at the following vid that include Erdogan you can see:
  • The car with Erdogan still sitting inside with the demostration at the background.
  • A bodyguard talking with someone inside the car.
  • The bodyguard says something to a security guy nearby, that immediately rushes to the demostration
  • The fighting starts immediately thereafter
  • When the situation is cleared the bodyguard says something to someone inside the car and Erdogan appears, steps out of the car
  • The security guy comes back and everybody nodds.
IF the President of the USA would visit my (NATO) country AND we would have a poor protection in place AND there would be a demonstration at close distance......
my guess is that the Presidential security would act to secure the safety of their President, including fire arms, regardless of being on the sovereign ground of another country.
And the government of my country would ofc be very upset.


And I do not post this because I am pro Erdogan. I am not.
And Erdogan should have waited inside his car until USA police officers would have cleared the situation.
And there is no excuse for kicking defenseless people lying on the ground.
 
as per the custom Turkish demonstrators were there to shout in favour . Kurdish demonstrators came and they shouted on the contrary . Nothing out of ordinary , the massive police presence in front of the White House jeeps everything down anyhow .Then they move out to the Embassy Row , apparently the street where there are many diplomatic premises . Not enough Police and while it doesn't change anything , all the Turkish news were about how some Kurd threw stuff across the street and drew blood . When the fight began and enough footage taken to satisfy both sides , like a hundred police cars arrive and according to the reports here , American media has a field day of telling how the heroic American police intervenes . These body guards fought with the UN staff in the UN HQ in New York . Beat up Congregation journos in front of a think tank in Washington . This was allowed to happen .

amateuristic protection ? Nothing against the poster, but nothing of the sort
 
r16 said:
as per the custom Turkish demonstrators were there to shout in favour . Kurdish demonstrators came and they shouted on the contrary . Nothing out of ordinary , the massive police presence in front of the White House jeeps everything down anyhow .Then they move out to the Embassy Row , apparently the street where there are many diplomatic premises . Not enough Police and while it doesn't change anything , all the Turkish news were about how some Kurd threw stuff across the street and drew blood . When the fight began and enough footage taken to satisfy both sides , like a hundred police cars arrive and according to the reports here , American media has a field day of telling how the heroic American police intervenes . These body guards fought with the UN staff in the UN HQ in New York . Beat up Congregation journos in front of a think tank in Washington . This was allowed to happen .

amateuristic protection ? Nothing against the poster, but nothing of the sort
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Just look at the vid

And see how few USA police officers are there, in the line of sight, at the moment Erdogan wants to step out of his car.
 
Oh, there are indeed two sides to the issue.

There's one side that says it was attacked while protesting peacefully.

And there's the other side that says it had good reasons to attack peaceful protesters.
 
Hrothbern said:
Just look at the vid

And see how few USA police officers are there, in the line of sight, at the moment Erdogan wants to step out of his car.
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Because he's surrounded by his own security forces. You can see several police cars with their lights flashing across the road. And you can see several US police in the video of the attack itself - they are clearly the ones who broke it up.

Regardless, if you think the appropriate thing to do is attack the protesters, who at that point in time clearly weren't any threat to President Little Dick, you have a pretty warped moral code. You are literally saying it's worth beating them up instead of inconveniencing a government official.

Here's an idea - call for more police. Or make different arrangements. LOTS of ways this could end without violence.
 
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