Pannonius
Reconquistador
Why would I deal with anything? It's not my fault that people show their lack of education.
Two-speed EU?
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Mirc
Not mIRC!!!
The Eastern Roman Empire is its correct name.
Romania, or Ῥωμανία in their alphabet, is how they called themselves (not kidding).
Romania, or Ῥωμανία in their alphabet, is how they called themselves (not kidding).
Pannonius
Reconquistador
Exactly. Byzantium was just a pre-Constantine name for Constantinople.
klazlo
Avatarless Sociologist
As an Eastern European, I'm against the two-speed EU. The EU needs some refurbishing that's for sure, but this happens when you admit countries based on daily political agendas. The "core" dug the hole in which they are sitting now. Once you're in, you're in, enough of the double talk and double standards.
Gelion
Retired Captain
Its one or the other really. Plus, I've got a few people agreeing with me and none of the other members yet noticed a problem. Hell, one of my friends has a flag of Imperial Germany on his avatar. I might have had a problem with that, but I don't.
Nazi crpss? Or this symbol "$"?At least I don't have a symbol of a totalitarian power which killed tens of millions of people in my avatar
To me hammer and sickle is a symbol that reminds me of Soviet Union, state, offices, school and red pioneer scarfs, not famine. Famine and Death are normally reserved to unshaved men in leather coats and uniformed "superman" that threat the rest as subhumans.
Cato the Elder
King
klazlo - Whereabouts in Eastern Europe? You're a rather large region after all.
Cullyn
red ones go faster!!
To be honest Winner how about you shut the feck up. In regard to Ireland you show that you have no idea what you are talking about. Do you know why there was a no vote? Do you not realise that despite the overwhelming support of the Treaty by the Political parties, Business groups, Unions and farmers that the Irish electorate still said níl. That suggests that maybe the Irish people have a better idea of what Lisbon was about than you. After all we had a choice, you didnt, dont and never will. Although, I read today that the Czech Republic is struggling to ratify.
Do not insult the democratic process by saying that the No Vote on Lisbon was because the Irish are stupid, only an imbecile with know knowledge of the facts would suggest that.
By the LAW in Ireland any treaty or agreement which in any way effects the constitution of the Republic of Ireland must be approved by the people If the people do not approve, as they have on quite a few proposals in the past, then that it the will of the people. And it must at all times be respected. That each country chooses the way it ratifies the treaties of the EU as is right. Ireland respects the decisions of its neighbours. But in turn our choice must also be respected.
Ireland is a sovereign country, well able to make decisions on its own without being patronised by our European neighbours..
As for a two speed Europe, that would spell the end of the EU. The EU is supposed to be about Equity between nations, not bullied by France and Germany. And you all forget, do you think for a second that the UK would join in a EU based on those sort of rules?
Many of you also have mention the monies received from the EU over the past 30 years. Yes Ireland gained a lot, but also so did Greece, Italy and Portugal to name a few. The difference it that we used the monies wisely so that now we are a net contributor to the EU budget. It was not a hand out from the EU, it was investment, one that means that we are well on our way to on to paying our fair share.
Also you know what really pisses me off about this whole thing? A major reason the treaty fell was because the French couldnt keep there stupid mouths shut about Tax Harmonisation. Honest to God, I swear I thought the French Government where going to suggest brining back the Continental System. Note to France (and good ole Napoleon Sarkozy), Tax rates are a sovereign power, so piss off and work out how to pay your pension deficit with your own money.
We respected the French and Dutch peoples decision about the EU constitution, now our choice must be respected. Otherwise the EU proves to all tat believe it, that it is not a democratic organisation.
By the way I voted Tá
Do not insult the democratic process by saying that the No Vote on Lisbon was because the Irish are stupid, only an imbecile with know knowledge of the facts would suggest that.
By the LAW in Ireland any treaty or agreement which in any way effects the constitution of the Republic of Ireland must be approved by the people If the people do not approve, as they have on quite a few proposals in the past, then that it the will of the people. And it must at all times be respected. That each country chooses the way it ratifies the treaties of the EU as is right. Ireland respects the decisions of its neighbours. But in turn our choice must also be respected.
Ireland is a sovereign country, well able to make decisions on its own without being patronised by our European neighbours..
As for a two speed Europe, that would spell the end of the EU. The EU is supposed to be about Equity between nations, not bullied by France and Germany. And you all forget, do you think for a second that the UK would join in a EU based on those sort of rules?
Many of you also have mention the monies received from the EU over the past 30 years. Yes Ireland gained a lot, but also so did Greece, Italy and Portugal to name a few. The difference it that we used the monies wisely so that now we are a net contributor to the EU budget. It was not a hand out from the EU, it was investment, one that means that we are well on our way to on to paying our fair share.
Also you know what really pisses me off about this whole thing? A major reason the treaty fell was because the French couldnt keep there stupid mouths shut about Tax Harmonisation. Honest to God, I swear I thought the French Government where going to suggest brining back the Continental System. Note to France (and good ole Napoleon Sarkozy), Tax rates are a sovereign power, so piss off and work out how to pay your pension deficit with your own money.
We respected the French and Dutch peoples decision about the EU constitution, now our choice must be respected. Otherwise the EU proves to all tat believe it, that it is not a democratic organisation.
By the way I voted Tá
holy king
Deity
it's not because the irish are stupid. it's because there's a leprechaun inside of them.
Cullyn
red ones go faster!!
but we know the truth about the Aos Sí and they are not to be crossed.klazlo
Avatarless Sociologist
I'm from Hungary, but I don't think I differ a lot from other Eastern Europeans in this respect. We certainly share the same fate since 2004.
lovett
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The thing is, the Eastern Roman Empire isn't really the correct name. It was the Eastern Roman Empire for what, a hundred years? A hundred and fifty? Then Rome fell, the Western Empire was conquered. You can't, in good faith, call it the Eastern Roman Empire if it was the only Roman empire for most of its existence. So what did its residents call it?
They called it the Roman Empire, or Romania, as Mirc said. But we can't really use those names either. It would be bloody confusing, nobody would have any idea what you were talking about.
So basically, it doesn't have a correct contigious name. And your just being asinine, Pannonius.
Cato the Elder
King
The more time goes by, the less this gets to me actually. To be frank, I'm almost happy that the Irish said no, because with a little luck, this could mean wiser planning, wiser decision-making, by the European Union, which would hopefully eventually lead to a unified and strong-standing Europe instead of a flimsy coalition of nations where far too many only participate half-heartedly.
Mirc
Not mIRC!!!
Yeah. Completely democratic for a country with a population of a bit over 4 million to stop the other half a billion from taking a decision.
Shekwan
Kim Chi Quaffing Celt
Don't hate the player, hate the game. It's EU decision making that let Ireland halt Lisbon, not Irish people.
Oh and I see the Czech President is accepting the treaty has been stopped and respecting the Irish decision.... stupid Czechs!
Oh and I see the Czech President is accepting the treaty has been stopped and respecting the Irish decision.... stupid Czechs!
Cullyn
red ones go faster!!
Yeah. Completely democratic for a country with a population of a bit over 4 million to stop the other half a billion from taking a decision.
The other "Half a billion" didn't get a vote.
It's funny. Many commentators here believe Germany will now give up her moderate role and become a lot more self-assertive. Small member states should expect more of what they call bullying now, less solidarity and a strengthening of the Franco-German partnership.
scy12
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Only direct democracies count ! You are not democratic , if you are not a direct democracy ! Only our opinion counts.
