SnowlyWhite
Emperor
1. we can revolt lisbon; we have all ep on him(or that's how I left it). I think we can actually - honestly I don't have a very good feeling for ep costs in this stage on normal(since, as always, marathon ain't scaled properly... telle surprise... and I didn't play enough on normal with spy missions this early)
2. didn't load the game(no comp. with civ. around today); he has machinery? Can he get eng.? Also, are we sure he has iron and didn't only trade for it before he screwed up his religion? Because I really don't understand those archers near the barb. city instead of swords... and also didn't see any iron near lisbon and porto. Might be near his 3rd city but that'll make it pillageable in 1st turn unless he sits on it.
3. Compass is safest(not sure if with bess too, the other 2 are pretty braindead so they should be safe, unless joao wants his carrack). HBR is obviously most useful if we attack. CoL is meh since we can't whip chs if we whip units...
Obviously, on the other hand, col will lead to philo bulb which will lead to lbows and eventually mc/calendar. But we don't want either lbows or xbows too much.
4. J doesn't have ponnies and now he can't trade for them either if only bess/izzy on the other continent, since he picked the wrong side. So guilds won't affect us.
Our stack will work till muskets as long as we're smart chaps and screw his iron(again, I guess it's close to moscow). His research might be good due to glh, but his production is still piss poor so brute force will work(as long as we accept giving up lib. probably, though 4 gs should come in a timely fashion). Maces are the only pain - for rest we'll have counters are long as we bring numbers(and I think his attack courage is normal, so he won't suicide - he'll just diligently soak the colateral and let us kill him in peace).
We're at .4 of his power with... 5 chariots and 2 warriors?
No walls, no racks, no GW to inflate it either
5. No matter what, if we decide for attack, I'd switch to confu asap.
6. if we get a ge, I wouldn't settle it in moscow; that city doesn't have much perspective. I'd rush AW(but that'd mean to keep him till we bulb philo with next gs and hope aw is still open... frankly, it's nonsense) and nothing else but AW, or I'd settle where we'll plan IW/HE/something other than a dead city like moscow long term(sure, he'll make good beakers if we acad. moscow later, but we don't plan a SSE anyway and moscow's tiles are still crappy as per variant and doesn't have enough food to justify oxford either).
We can't Moai moscow(we have stone so that junk can be considered for once) if we plan to SSE since then we'll need oxford there, and without moai, there's no point in IWing it either(not that'd IW a city with 10 land tiles anyway). And again, I don't see how we can SSE with GLib/Mids and nothing else.
totally disagree here; we can 2 pop whip harbor even with empty queue as expansive. And with currency it's worth the hassle.
also, somehow we also need calendar(compass + lit - curr. - izzy and izzy should hit wfybta, compass - maths - bess, compass + lit - calendar next turn J - that in a very perfect world I live and where MoM was built so calendar is open ). Then vroom vroom col - philo(after hbr and crap) bulb and we get another era, so another trade with izzy. See... anything can look nice on paper
2. didn't load the game(no comp. with civ. around today); he has machinery? Can he get eng.? Also, are we sure he has iron and didn't only trade for it before he screwed up his religion? Because I really don't understand those archers near the barb. city instead of swords... and also didn't see any iron near lisbon and porto. Might be near his 3rd city but that'll make it pillageable in 1st turn unless he sits on it.
3. Compass is safest(not sure if with bess too, the other 2 are pretty braindead so they should be safe, unless joao wants his carrack). HBR is obviously most useful if we attack. CoL is meh since we can't whip chs if we whip units...
Obviously, on the other hand, col will lead to philo bulb which will lead to lbows and eventually mc/calendar. But we don't want either lbows or xbows too much.
4. J doesn't have ponnies and now he can't trade for them either if only bess/izzy on the other continent, since he picked the wrong side. So guilds won't affect us.
Our stack will work till muskets as long as we're smart chaps and screw his iron(again, I guess it's close to moscow). His research might be good due to glh, but his production is still piss poor so brute force will work(as long as we accept giving up lib. probably, though 4 gs should come in a timely fashion). Maces are the only pain - for rest we'll have counters are long as we bring numbers(and I think his attack courage is normal, so he won't suicide - he'll just diligently soak the colateral and let us kill him in peace).
We're at .4 of his power with... 5 chariots and 2 warriors?
No walls, no racks, no GW to inflate it either5. No matter what, if we decide for attack, I'd switch to confu asap.
6. if we get a ge, I wouldn't settle it in moscow; that city doesn't have much perspective. I'd rush AW(but that'd mean to keep him till we bulb philo with next gs and hope aw is still open... frankly, it's nonsense) and nothing else but AW, or I'd settle where we'll plan IW/HE/something other than a dead city like moscow long term(sure, he'll make good beakers if we acad. moscow later, but we don't plan a SSE anyway and moscow's tiles are still crappy as per variant and doesn't have enough food to justify oxford either).
We can't Moai moscow(we have stone so that junk can be considered for once) if we plan to SSE since then we'll need oxford there, and without moai, there's no point in IWing it either(not that'd IW a city with 10 land tiles anyway). And again, I don't see how we can SSE with GLib/Mids and nothing else.
totally disagree here; we can 2 pop whip harbor even with empty queue as expansive. And with currency it's worth the hassle.
also, somehow we also need calendar(compass + lit - curr. - izzy and izzy should hit wfybta, compass - maths - bess, compass + lit - calendar next turn J - that in a very perfect world I live and where MoM was built so calendar is open
). Then vroom vroom col - philo(after hbr and crap) bulb and we get another era, so another trade with izzy. See... anything can look nice on paper 
). But we'll also have more gs in the future so for now an academy in moscow doesn't look too bad.
Iz won't trade currency.
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