Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by cpm4001, Sep 29, 2013.
Babylon: Ingenuity - 16
Korea: Scholars of the Jade Hall - 24
Already stated my reasons.
Bleck, this thread's over. No way Babylon's better than Poland.
Do I get points for being the last person to vote Poland up?
Babylon: Ingenuity - 18
Korea: Scholars of the Jade Hall - 20
I would have put Poland at #1, Babylon #2, Korea #3. I wonder if science is actually THAT strong, or if people see boosts to science and assume it's better than everything else. Indirectly, Poland gets some pretty sizable boosts to science through better growth, income, science, war, and other things that will boost their science in the long run.
Babylon: Ingenuity - 14 (-4)
Korea: Scholars of the Jade Hall - 22 (+2)
Both UAs are awesome, so it was a difficult choice. I have played Korea and Babylon on numerous occasions as science domination is my way to go
But I will vote for Korea's UA simply because I have had much more consistent games with them. I have never lost with Korea (I'm a King difficulty player), yet I have lost as Babylon several times.
Babylon: Ingenuity - 10
Korea: Scholars of the Jade Hall - 24-
Explained both previously.
The challenge with Poland is quantifying the impact. Korea and Babylon have both been through the ringer. GOTM's, Hall of Fame, even forum shootouts and it helps that they benefit from the most well known (4 cities tradition grow) strategy.
I'm completely open to the idea that Poland is the most flexible civ. I'm even open to the idea that Poland has untapped potential as the best Civ regardless of VC. The problem is it hasn't been through the ringer yet. IIRC, Maya won the big science shootout (pre-BNW) that was initially between Korea and Babylon. Poland could very well have the same potential but I haven't seen anyone tap it yet. Its a new Civ, it could very well stand the test of time, but its too early to call it the new champ.
Yup. Have 20 points right now.
Babylon: Ingenuity - 10+2 = 12
Korea: Scholars of the Jade Hall - 24 - 4 = 20
Explained both previously as well.
Babylon Ingenuity - 14
Korea Scholars of the Jade Hall - 16
I shouldn't vote anymore since Poland is out but might as well help finish this thread.
Babylon Ingenuity - 10
Korea Scholars of the Jade Hall - 20
Both are really good science Unique Abilities, but Korea's is one that can be used to go tall or wide, can be used in EVERY city, and even somewhat makes up for not having the +50% GS boost. After all, building a science building in the capitol is just like bulbing a great scientist, and they can then use the ones they earn from those buildings to make an Academy... Which has an extra +2 science, as do all great person improvements. When rationalism comes around, they get +4 science per specialist. Great scientists are good, but building a UA entirely around getting more of them isn't a good idea.
Babylon Ingenuity - 6 (-4)
Korea Scholars of the Jade Hall - 20 (+2)
Reasons stated before
Babylon Ingenuity - 2-
Korea Scholars of the Jade Hall - 22
Reasons stated previously.
Lets see if Korea can get 6 haters before Babylon gets 1.
Babylon Ingenuity - 4
Korea Scholars of the Jade Hall - 18
I'll be the first hater! One more hater and we'll need two Korea votes to close this out!
I just think that Korea comes in a bit later, although both are incredibly strong.
hwar missed my Korea vote, Korea should be up to 20 atm.
Babylon Ingenuity - 0
Korea Scholars of the Jade Hall - 20
Congrats to Korea, the deserving UA champions! I would personally still put Poland as #1, but I suppose they won the overall civ thread, so we can give the UA thread to the sciencers. Finishing with 22 points is a pretty strong showing (after we add in Talcove's vote), that means it was upvoted between two and three times as often as it was downvoted.
1. SCHOLARS OF THE JADE HALL!!!!!!
4. Great Andean Road
5. Hellenic League
7. The Long Count
8. Mare Clausum
9. Father Governs Children
10. Nobel Prize
11. Great Expanse
12. Phoenician Heritage
13. Achaemenid Legacy
14. Treasures of Nineveh
15. Art of War
16. Siberian Riches
18. Sun Never Sets
20. Sacrificial Captives
21. River Warlord
22. Seven Cities of Gold
23. Ships of the Desert
24. Monument Builders
26. Spice Islanders
27. Patrachairte of Constantinople
28. Furor Teuctonious (i probably spelled that wrong)
29. The Glory of Rome
30. The Great Warpath
31. Scourge of God
32. Diplomatic Marriage
33. Viking Fury
34. Barbary Corsairs
35. Dutch East India Company
36. City of Light
37. Population Growth
38. Gateway to Africa
40. Druidic Lore
41. Sprit of Adwa
42. Manifest destiny
43. Mongol terror
The Mongols are the best and the worst. They have the besy UU and the worst UA. And a Unique GP
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Wait, how on earth did Hellenic Fricking League make it into the top 5??? It's one of the very worst! Would have thought it would have been in the first 10 to go!
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