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Unique Ability Elimination Thread

Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by cpm4001, Sep 29, 2013.

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  1. fuzzatron717

    fuzzatron717 Holy Warrior

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    150% agreed we aren't voting on them for "fun-ness" but for strength the rationalism policy tree for example would give you more science than Korea in a whole game let alone baby Babylon.
     
  2. NoOneImportant

    NoOneImportant Warlord

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    This! While the relative strength of those UAs is arguable, I have no clue why anyone would dismiss a versatile and active UA such as Solidarity as boring and praise Korea's and Babylon's flat science boosts.

    Babylon: Ingenuity - 34
    Korea: Scholars of the Jade Hall - 33
    Poland: Solidarity - 34
     
  3. Wojciech Rodzik

    Wojciech Rodzik Chieftain

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    Babylon: Ingenuity - 30
    Korea: Scholars of the Jade Hall - 33
    Poland: Solidarity - 38

    I love Poland
     
  4. fuzzatron717

    fuzzatron717 Holy Warrior

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    Babylon: Ingenuity - 30
    Korea: Scholars of the Jade Hall - 33
    Poland: Solidarity - 36

    I love it too but over voted it. It's +2 and -4 not +4 -4.
    Problem fixed.
     
  5. msawchuk

    msawchuk Chieftain

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    Babylon: Ingenuity - 30
    Korea: Scholars of the Jade Hall - 29
    Poland: Solidarity - 38
    Korea is just not enough science to beat Babylon and Poland just destroys all. Free social policies is too good; its an Oracle every era.
     
  6. sendos

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    Babylon: Ingenuity - 26 Already stated my reasons earlier.
    Korea: Scholars of the Jade Hall - 31 - also very powerful combined with freedom ideology. Academies are also a lot more potent.
    Poland: Solidarity - 38
     
  7. striker4life360

    striker4life360 Chieftain

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    Babylon: Ingenuity - 28
    Korea: Scholars of the Jade Hall - 31
    Poland: Solidarity - 34

    The reason why it's underwhelming compared to the remaining UA's is that you don't need an extra tree to finish your victory condition but you do need the extra science. Although, having extra policies is helpful its not extra science that the Babs or Koreans have from the beginning of the game that helps get dynamite, Internet, globalization or anything else much faster. It is the more versiable of the two but that doesn't mean it's the more efficient.
     
  8. nationstate

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    Babylon: Ingenuity - 28
    Korea: Scholars of the Jade Hall - 33 four different bonuses can be leveraged mutiple ways.
    Poland: Solidarity - 30 Appears to be flexible because policies can be spent in any tree, but in reality it encourages bee-lining.
     
  9. layelaye

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    Babylon: Ingenuity - 28
    Korea: Scholars of the Jade Hall - 31 - 4 = 27
    Poland: Solidarity - 34 + 2 = 36

    just registered now to give my 2 cents. most UAs, if you ask me, are about as powerful as 1-2 social policies - for example i would only rank "the glory of rome" slightly better then the liberty policy which gives 5% bonus to buildings + 1 hammer in all cities, including the capital. the abilities of babylon and korea are so powerful i would rank at 3-4 policies strength- they are that good.

    poland gets 7.

    the aztec with the extra culture, which increases the cost of the next policies, and requires an army and effort to use, is very powerful. poland is just broken. their ability is not only superior to all, but singlehandedly makes them THE strongest civ in the game.
     
  10. jlim201

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    Babylon: Ingenuity - 24- Korea gives me more science. Babylon gives you maybe 36 science per turn, and then about 4 GS pops. Korea gives you about 18 science per turn at the end game per city. (if you have all specialists working) You usually have about 4-5 major cities and then a few smaller ones. 18 times 4 is 72 science per turn. The free science when building science buildings is about the same as one GS pop.
    Korea: Scholars of the Jade Hall
    - 29- Explained above.
    Poland: Solidarity - 36
     
  11. whyidie

    whyidie Emperor

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    Babylon: Ingenuity - 24


    I'll boost Babylon this time round. Early GS gives you at least 3/4 techs over the course of it being planted, add in the extra GS generation and Babylon is getting at least a Tech an era from its UA. Do I want a tech an era or an SP an era ?

    Korea: Scholars of the Jade Hall - 30


    Poland: Solidarity - 34


    If I'm Korea/Babylon I go Tradition. I fill out Rationalism. I then switch over to Freedom.

    Now what ? Do I really go back to liberty for the free worker ? Go over to Commerce to get a couple of gpt ? Point is, for Korea and Babylon having the free social policies is just icing on the cake. The games over and won. Social policies are great, but you reach a certain point in the game where the value is limited.
     
  12. fuzzatron717

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    Babylon: Ingenuity - 26
    Korea: Scholars of the Jade Hall - 30
    Poland: Solidarity - 32

    Forgot to add points to Babylon and Poland was only reduced by -2 not -4 so the problem is fixed.
     
  13. TheGrandWazoo

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    fixed because nationstate vote was missed

    Babylon: Ingenuity - 28
    Korea: Scholars of the Jade Hall - 32
    Poland: Solidarity - 24

    I'll continue to vote Poland down, because the UA encourages sub optimal play.
    Babylon up, you have to play around with your game to favour GS generation.
     
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    Babylon: Ingenuity - 28 +2 = 30
    Korea: Scholars of the Jade Hall - 32
    Poland: Solidarity - 24 - 4 = 20

    Bablyon is my favorite Civ and the best for science. I love rushing the NC with an academy and being mr science. I also have fun playing Korea as science is my favorite victory condition. Poland is great but I would rather be Korea or Babylon then them so they get downvoted.
     
  15. NoOneImportant

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    Babylon: Ingenuity -30
    Korea: Scholars of the Jade Hall - 28
    Poland: Solidarity - 22
     
  16. fuzzatron717

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    Yeah but now you skipped the rest of our votes! You should have just let his be included with your vote so +2 for Babylon and Korea while -8 for Poland. But I ain't going to try and fix up this mess.
     
  17. fuzzatron717

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    Babylon Ingenuity -30
    Korea Scholars of the Jade Hall - 24
    Poland Solidarity - 24
     
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    Babylon Ingenuity -26- Explained Previously.
    Korea Scholars of the Jade Hall - 26- Explained Previously.
    Poland Solidarity - 24
     
  19. whyidie

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    Thank you.
     
  20. striker4life360

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    Babylon Ingenuity - 28
    Korea Scholars of the Jade Hall - 26
    Poland Solidarity - 20
     
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