Unit Discussion/Previews

[LMR]

By vanilla i meant the "default" civs (such as the Ultramarines, Freebooterz and Ulthwe) that have all the default units, and the other "clans" all have lists based on the 'vanilla' one

 

[aaglo]

Ok.

About the killa kans: don't we have two variants from it - the other could be available only to the freebooters?

And what about that terminus pattern landraider? Wouldn't it be cool

 

[Stormrage]

Terminus pattern is the worst design in the history of worst designs. Ever. Its so obvious "Not Even Pretending To Be Interested In How It Looks And Plays On The Board,Lets Just Make Money And Make Things Dumber So We Can Take Money From Less Intelligent Kids Too". As someone, somewhere once said: I`m against it. And its not unique to Ultramarines.

Tyrannic War Weterans are, tho. An explanation to them in the mod could be - well.. they killed all the Tyranids before we made the mod.

 

[LMR]

Or we could make the Nids barbs, rather than the Hruud, since the Nids are an actual 40K army and should be represented, in my opinion.

Then the Tyranid Hunters can stealth attack the Nids. We already have a Ravener-like unit (Navy Dawg's), and i guess we could use that Alien unit as a Gaunt of some discription.

Good idea for the Kanz, aaglo. might as well use them both, it'd be a waste not too

 

[Stormrage]

I agree on both accounts with LizardmenRule!

 

[aaglo]

I don't understand what's so uncool about the terminus..? Isn't it just a landraider with an alternative weapons configuration? Well, okay, just forgedaboudit then.

 

[Stormrage]

Terminus had Cool Potential. But they messed up, badly. There is a general consensus on the various 40k forums that its pretty much a slap in the face. And these guys are.. nerds to the bone. They make whole studies of 40k stuff. Anyway, sorry for my outburst a few posts up, if it makes you happy you`re welcome to make one. Unlike real tanks, Civ3 units actually have to turn and face the enemy, so its design flaws won`t be noticable in Civ.

 

[aaglo]

It took a while, but here it is. A preview of ork flak truk.

It's based on the forge world's war wagon model.
Suggestions on colours? (I thought of making it in camo, because We hafta see dem flying weedy gitz befur dey see us!)

 

[Stormrage]

Awesome! Good point with the camo

 

[LMR]

I agree. Looks great, aaglo

 

[aaglo]

Happy to hear you like it so far

How about replacing the red bitz with goldy bitz? Or do proper orks even use golden colour in their gear? Or is it too flashy (then it would be suitable for bad moonz, but no other)...

I think that those red parts in that vehicle don't feel "correct". Maybe some brass/brown colour would do well there.

...Anyway, sorry for my outburst a few posts up, if it makes you happy you`re welcome to make one. Unlike real tanks, Civ3 units actually have to turn and face the enemy, so its design flaws won`t be noticable in Civ.

Not that I desperately would want to do it, I only thought of it looking just awesome. And I didn't know it had desing flaws in the tabletop. What are those BTW? The thing that it can fire all its weapons on a target only when completely facing the enemy - or is it that it cannot fire the rear sponson lascannons at an enemy directly in front of it?

 

[LMR]

Well, gold (or yellow) is only used by the Bad Moonz (and my NiteHorkz ), so probably best not to use it. Red paint makes Orky vehicles go fasta, but i dont think speed is something a flak unit really needs to worry about. so i guess a brass/brown colour would be fine

not that i really matters to me

 

[aaglo]

I also thought of using that chassis as a base for:
- gun wagon as a kannon replacement
- looted basilisk cannon, I know, the chassis isn't even close to basilisk's, but I figured the orks found the gun in the basilisk to be ok, so they just removed it from the basilisk wreck, and bolted it into one of their spare truks (and they have loads of them!)
- and maybe even a zzap wagon, a zzap gun replacement for evil sunz (or would that make them over-powered to have many fast mobile arty units).
- with some added modifications (read: upscaling EVERYTHING) this could be transformed into a battlewagon.

 

[LMR]

i think one fast artillery unit is enough for the sunz, although we can add one in when testing to see whether it is too overpowered, then you can make it

for the looted basilisk, it would be better to use the chasis of the chimera (if when you make the looted chimera ), but if not, i'd remove the wheels and cockpit from the front and just have the traks

 

[aaglo]

HA-HA!
If/when... and I was thinking about reducing the shedload of work I already agreed on. I've should have known better... well, you lose some, and then you lose some more

 

[LMR]

You dont have to do anything you dont want to...

But if you stop making stuff you must be prepared to receive this guy in a PM every day until you make some more stuff

but seriously, we are in no rush here, so dont feel like you have to do EVERYTHING now (although that would be nice )

 

[aaglo]

Mmmm... foood

 

[Stormrage]

Thats right, and we`ll stop feeding you, if you stop making stuff!

Now, to answer your Terminus question:

bet its just a LR with bitz for a Razorback turret and Predator sponsons.......

Seriously its terrible....the sponson guns can't even line up for heavens sakes!

that thing looks terrible and badly conceived. 5 lascannons.. but only 3 can shoot in the same direction at any time me thinks gw's designers wanted to get out of the office early on that day..

ok find this another f****** waste , some retart at GW HQ was allowed to pick and mix with the spare part box and made that crap.

I'm sooo happy I didn't go to GD Germany today. (Had a spare ticket from our local fantasy store.)
Right now I'd probably sit in jail for demolishing that ugly bastard and killing its designer with a blunt cutter.
Hooray for GW and their lack of imagination. Making something like the Prometheus, switching Heavy Bolters with Lascannons would have done the trick... but noooooo, better use the rummage box.

What do you think? Had JJ's 5 year old son his first debut at designing?

Uglier than a Nurglite with half his face eaten by maggots. Disgusting lack of imagination. I could model that with my ass

What the devil is the point of a tank that can't fire forwards? It took us 2 seconds to figure out 3-4 viable ways to make this thing work, and the guys who get paid to do it came up with this? I'll bet Jervis designed it! Yeah, that's what happened! It's all part of his master plan to turn Space Marines into the Keystone Cops of 40K.

Regardless of whatever rules may accompany it, it a cheesy cut and paste job. I personally think they would have done better to modify the Prometheus sponsons to hold a pair of twin linked lascannons and put the razorback style turret in the hole above the assault ramp. That would give you five twin linked lascannons that would actually look like they could focus fire to the front arc of the tank. That would be a good looking marine titan killing tank, while still allowing you to put a storm bolter or hunter killer missile on one of the upper hatches.

I have to agree that this thing looks like it came out of the back end of a rabid baboon Absolutely horrible in my opinion. The sponsons just kill the model. If they were layed out more like how Feor suggested, I would probably snatch one up in a heartbeat, but this is just.... blegh...

I don't even think fuzzy dice and cupholders could redeem this piece of crap, boys.

I will not believe that the Astartes would develop such an.. abomination to their already tested and true platform. I mean come on..what imbicile would actually design such a sloppy vehicle?

instead of HB twin linked las cannons
front side doors a single las cannon in sponson on oth sides
rear side doors twin linkd lascannons in sponsons.

so you have 3 twinlinked las cannons and two individual las cannons. with some very poor fire arcs

This is how it should have looked like:

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.php?showtopic=120879

Some funny signatures:

Was Jesus experiencing lag when he took 3 days to respawn

For my next big megabattle, I'll rent out the local minigolf place and my friends I can stage battles all over it. Heck, they rent it for birthday parties, why not for 40K? "Captain Sicarius, your orders are to cross the water trap and hold that windmill next to the plaster T-Rex. The Orks will be coming from behind the pirate ship--they must not take that windmill, Captain!"

 

[aaglo]

Now, to answer your Terminus question:

This is how it should have looked like:

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.php?showtopic=120879

Well! I agree - that's much better looking. The twin-sponsons in a line would have worked better if the front sponson was lower and the rear a bit higher.

Good job the-dude-at-bolter-and-chainsword.com

 

[aaglo]

Hi!
Here's a gun truk preview (a cannon with truk platform).

Basically the same as the flak trukk, but with different paint job and weapon. Nuthing fancy though. I'm open to suggestions again