Unoffical Civ VI poll. Vote for your 3 civs you would most like to see. Part XI : Modern Nations

[Liufeng]

Hello everyone, and welcome to the last part of these polls, dedicated on modern nations, which were later created states, particularly from former colonies.
I'm terribly sorry for the delay, as I had to face some professional and personnal issues these last weeks, and my head was Simply not in the mood of creating a poll or whatsoever. Again, I deeply apologize for the delay, and now that things are calming down, here's finally the last poll !

Thus, enjoy, and have fun !

 

[Uberfrog]

No need to apologise for the delay – that stuff has to take precedence! For what it's worth, I've really enjoyed this series of polls, so thank you for all your effort!

I'm not convinced we need another modern state – too many other civs to include first, as evinced by the previous ten polls! Nonetheless there are some interesting candidates here, so I have selected just one:-

Cuba is an interesting way of introducing a socialist leader and civ into the game, in a way that I think is preferable to the USSR or Maoist China, since it is such a dominant feature of its history (compared with a fraction for Russia or China). Besides this there is a fascinating cultural mix, particularly in terms of music, and it would hands-down be one of the best musical additions to the game .

My first honourable mention goes to Haiti, as it is a truly unique civ, and of course the second American nation to achieve independence. However the efforts of the rest of the world have never really allowed it to fully fledge, and it's hard to see how you'd implement them as a civ without it being a one-note revolutionary civ, which doesn't really fit the game's mechanics.

My second goes to Mexico, an important cultural heavyweight, but I wouldn't have the post-colonial nation in over the Maya, the Zapotec, or any of the other candidates from Poll IX.

Nigeria or South Africa could be good additions, but again I'd prefer almost any pre-colonial African civ, which we badly need more of. Likewise I'd sooner see a Maori civ over modern New Zealand.

 

[Siptah]

Argentina, Cuba and other (Algeria)

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I would really like to see Gran Colombia.
Other than that Argentina and Canada, but they aren't necessary.

 

[Xandinho]

Argentina, Canada and Mexico.
But I think a kind unlikely we see more modern nations.

 

[Ferocitus]

Mozambique - just for the flag.

 

[AmazonQueen]

I voted for the Boers who could have some interesting and different uniques, Mexico who are only a little younger than the US and have some fascinating personalities in their history (Benito Juarez would be my choice as leader) and other since I think a modern Turkey or Iran (amongst others) could be interesting and can't really be done justice too by bundling them into the Ottomans or Persia, but thats if we get another modern nation. Theres others I'd like to see before any modern nation.

 

[durfal]

Voted for:
Gran Colombia: More because of Simon Bolivar than the state itself as it didn't last that long.
Argentina: Most interesting "modern" nation from South America next to Brazil with a distinct culture that is well known, and it had a well known female leader (well sort of a leader behind the leader) with Evita Peron.
the Boers: As a Dutchman, I've learned a bit about them as they mostly decent from dutch settlers.
Mexico and Canada (more as Quebec though) are interesting too.
But as a whole I don't think any of them are necessary with so many other "older" civs still to get into the game. If we still get dlc civs, I think they have a bigger chance to appear there, just to sell extra in those markets (the fanatics buy those probably anyway, whoever the civ is)

 

[Greywulf]

I think the most populated country in Africa deserves some attention: Nigeria.

 

[Michaelf7777777]

Argentina, New Zealand and Other (Yemen)

 

[Greywulf]

Argentina, New Zealand and Other (Yemen)

New Zealand? Now that's a young country.
If you like young countries, South Sudan is a very young country.

 

[Naktis]

Argentina - we got brazil who were portugal colony , would be stupid not to get spanish one , also these two countries considers themselves rivals (rivalry posibly could be added for next expanssion) , also for TSL map argentina location is great spot. The only problem is..they dont have famous leader . aside from sports side.

Canada - they were talked about by way to many people.

New Zealand - them or anybody from that region , coz australia to lonely on that side of map.

South Africa - JUST for Nelson Mandela

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

Argentina: There's a niche for a former Spanish colony. Colombia could do it, but I like Argentinian culture
Canada: Hopefully with an early French Canadian leader like Champlain instead of a British Canadian, to set them apart from the other Commonwealth civ(s)
South Africa: yeah, I want Nelson Mandela. And they should have some interesting Tourism-related bonuses for Safari, maybe National Parks on open plains.

 

[Plymouth]

The delay is no issue at all. Thanks for these polls over the past few months, Liufeng. I think they promote open and constructive debate about the future of the game. Perhaps you could do something like this again after CIV 6's second expansion, ;looking onto CIV 7.

Without further ado, my choices were Nigeria, Gran Colombia, and Canada.

I chose Nigeria because I think we're presently lacking African nations and Nigeria is recognized worldwide as the economic foremost of modern Africa, and is slated to become one of the world's most major economies over the next 100 years, as well as being the third-most populated nation in the world. The most fitting UU is hard to determine, as the Yan Lifida is interesting and unique but does not represent modern Nigeria. A Machine Gun or Fighter replacement would work just fine, but be a little less interesting. I think Obafemi Awolowo is the best choice for a leader, but I'm open to other leaders, so long as they actually did something of value comparable to Awolowo.

Canada is my least committal choice of the three. I think the nation has quite a bit of history but could be seen as too similar to America. Plus, even in the game so far, there are two British colonies, and I've already proposed a third here, which would make Canada the fourth. If they took a more Quebecois approach to the UU, UB, and maybe even UA, I think Canada could earn itself a place on the roster. Mackenzie King is a pick I often see for a Canadian leader, and one whom I can get behind.

Finally, my most wanted pick for a modern or colonial nation: Gran Colombia. Granted, this nation (or more accurately, confederation) did not last very long, but embodies the South American revolution and allows for a leader that deserves to be be in the game so much his civilization is allowed to be less important: Simon Bolivar, who essentially founded all of modern South America. Bolivar and Gran Colombia bring with them a number of frankly obvious UUs, UAs, and UBs, such as the Llanero, Voltigero and Antioquian Market. Gran Colombia also represents Spanish colonialism more than Portuguese, which I think distinguishes it enough from Brazil. All in all, Gran Colombia is one of my most wanted nations, and this comes from someone who really favors pre-modern history.

 

[conorbebe]

My picks are admittedly from more of a TSL perspective:

Argentina - Eva Perón
Canada - Louis Riel
Haiti - Toussaint Louverture

 

[Guandao]

I'm not keen on more of these countries being added to Civ6, but I voted for Argentina, Canada, and Gran Colombia (just for Simon Bolivar).

 

[Mobfire]

My picks are admittedly from more of a TSL perspective:

Argentina - Eva Perón
Canada - Louis RIel
Haiti - Toussaint Louverture

Louis Riel leading Canada is almost as bad as having Sitting Bull leading America. If Canada doesn't get a PM as it's leader, it should be someone from Quebec (the French colonies along the St. Lawrence were originally called Canada so it makes historical sense too). Someone like Samuel de Champlain would be great.

 

[Uberfrog]

I'm afraid I really don't get the appeal of Gran Colombia as a civ. It was an utterly dysfunctional nation that lasted about a decade, and Bolívar himself proved to be a much better general than a president. He is without a doubt an important and fascinating historical figure, but a leader of a Civilization he is not.

It's a shame to waste a personality that big, but a Great General is really the best place for him in Civ VI. "He who serves the revolution ploughs the sea" indeed.

Mexico, Cuba, Argentina, even Venezuela would be a better candidate for representing post-colonial Spanish America than the failed state of Gran Colombia.

 

[Kheznik]

It's been a while since I posted on this site uwu. Modern civs are just as deserving of love as ancient civs.

Colombia - Simon Bolivar could be that much needed Napoleon surrogate Civ VI needs, as well as *finally* giving Spanish-Americans some representation in this series in the form of the man who liberated half the continent, and inspired many others. And since Civ VI is all about those "big" leaders moreso than "big" civilizations... *cough* Scythia never would have made it in without Tomyris *cough*. But I don't see any reason in calling it "Gran Colombia" as it's pretty redundant, and not to mention ahistorical.

Canada - Obviously I'm gonna shill for this one. But a proper French-speaking leader (Champlain) is also missing from this game, and early Canadian history is pretty neat when you consider the special relationships with natives and the coureurs des bois. That being said, I would pass on Canada if they went with "Yet Another 20th Century Anglophone Leader (tm)", especially as post-confederation Canadian history is kind of... boring. Give me rugged lumberjacks and explorers singing merry French songs aboard a canoe.

Nigeria (or Kenya) - A modern African civ is a concept I find myself really liking honestly, and both of these nations are pushing to become dominant players on the continent. It would be nice to have a proper diversity of eras in sub-saharan Africa-- ancient Nubia, medieval Kongo, modern Nigeria? Also, obviously, we'll need Mali, the Ashanti, Songhai, Madagascar, Benin... I guess there's always Civ XVIII.

Honorable mentions:
Boers would certainly be a controversial choice, but I quite like the idea of a full-on "Amish"-style civ of humble almost-nomads, travelers, and farmers, and could stand in contrast to the Zulus in some way, as we've seen with other civs (Scythia/Persia for example). South Africa, meanwhile, I think already has some representation in the form of the Zulus, and its history is... iffy. I don't think Mandela has been dead for long enough to be represented. I don't really know it works.
Haiti has an extremely controversial history, and you can blame whoever (or whatever) you want for it, but it doesn't change the fact that the nation ended up as the poster child of a failed state. Still would be nice to have a French Afro-Caribbean civ/leader, however, and a revolting slave civ could definitely have some unique game play to offer.
Argentina, I can't say I know too much about them, but Evita comes to mind as one of their biggest selling points-- a female leader of a modern American civ. What a novel concept!
Mexico, I gotta say gets ruled out by the Aztecs, who are by and large predecessors, both culturally and ethnically, to the Mexican states. Though the same argument could be made about Italy in regards to Rome, and I'm anxiously waiting to see those neglected, under-appreciated Italians finally make their appearance in this long-running franchise.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I'm afraid I really don't get the appeal of Gran Colombia as a civ. It was an utterly dysfunctional nation that lasted about a decade, and Bolívar himself proved to be a much better general than a president. He is without a doubt an important and fascinating historical figure, but a leader of a Civilization he is not.

It's a shame to waste a personality that big, but a Great General is really the best place for him in Civ VI. "He who serves the revolution ploughs the sea" indeed.

Mexico, Cuba, Argentina, even Venezuela would be a better candidate for representing post-colonial Spanish America than the failed state of Gran Colombia.

To me it's definitely more about the historical legacy and I guess Simon Bolivar, rather than that the nation itself. And I think it's the best chance we could get with a Spanish speaking modern nation unless they go for Argentina or Mexico.