Victim of perceived thug does end up in jail

[woody60707]

Wait, so can I ask a question too?

 

[Benefactor]

This doesn't explain why you devote attention to a single murder in Amerika, when there are so many human rights violations going on in other parts of the world that are ignored.

"First world problems".

I agree, being murdered is a trivial 1st world problem, on a par with losing the TV remote or the bus being late.

 

[attackfighter]

I agree, being murdered is a trivial 1st world problem, on a par with losing the TV remote or the bus being late.

I guess to elaborate on what I mean by first world problems... basically the first world has few real problems, and so the media has to manufacture problems to fill airtime. In this case they found "problem" that had lots of marketing potential due to the race factor involved and so they ran with it. This problem is nowhere near as important as problems elsewhere, but that doesn't stop the first world media's introverted audience from caring. And so we have first worlders posting their very important threads about random murder cases and celebrity news all over the internets. Not that I have a problem with that, just that I enjoy pointing out how ridiculous it all is from time to time. Carry on with George Zuckersberg - or whoever he is.

 

[JollyRoger]

This doesn't explain why you devote attention to a single murder in Amerika, when there are so many human rights violations going on in other parts of the world that are ignored.

"First world problems".



Unlike you I don't posture and claim to be championing some sort of moral ideal.

I just assumed you were on it, but perhaps you just fantasize about warlord rape rather than taking action.

 

[GoodSarmatian]

Hopefully he gets off just to piss off Trayvon's ******** supporters.

I totally agree !
He killed an unarmed 17 year old boy who he confronted himself after being told by police not to do so, but letting him go free would make a lot of people angry, especially if it becomes more obvious he's guilty.
I hope the judge sees your wisdom.

Of course, being Amerikkka, the judge will probably sentence him to further her own career and to prove that mob justice works.

I hear you man ! Here's one guy who won't stand for 'them' always getting away, but in Amerikka 'they' are basicaly untaouchable. That's a political show trial.


Jesus F. Christ, oh what piece of work is man...

 

[Benefactor]

I guess to elaborate on what I mean by first world problems... basically the first world has few real problems, and so the media has to manufacture problems to fill airtime. In this case they found "problem" that had lots of marketing potential due to the race factor involved and so they ran with it. This problem is nowhere near as important as problems elsewhere, but that doesn't stop the first world media's introverted audience from caring. And so we have first worlders posting their very important threads about random murder cases and celebrity news all over the internets. Not that I have a problem with that, just that I enjoy pointing out how ridiculous it all is from time to time. Carry on with George Zuckersberg - or whoever he is.

The media is a shepherd and the people are it's sheep, but not you, you see through it and get to the real issues. My hero .

 

[attackfighter]

It looks like I've become the centre of attention. Cute.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

That usually happens when you paint yourself pink, dance on a harpsichord and sing: "Those moronic arguments are here again".

 

[woody60707]

That usually happens when you paint yourself pink, dance on a harpsichord and sing: "Those moronic arguments are here again".

says the guy with pink glasses.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I'm not complaining about being in the centre of attention. In fact, I should be complaining not being in the centre of attention despite my pink glasses.

 

[Berzerker]

He killed an unarmed 17 year old boy who he confronted himself after being told by police not to do so

Sgt Schlolz on MSNBC keeps pushing that "evidence" but from what I can tell Martin began the exchange of words. Zimmerman had been running around the building to head toward Martin who was walking his way now according to the map in the old thread, and he said he turned back and Martin approached him from behind. Martin's GF was on the phone while this is happening and she confirms Martin began the conversation.

She said Martin saw Zimmerman again (they lost sight of each other as Zimmerman got in front of him bypassing a building) and Martin asked "why are you following me?". That was followed by Zimmerman asking "what are you doing here?". At that point the GF said the phone was moved away from his mouth (she couldn't hear any more of the conversation) and according to Zimmerman, Martin asked "you got a problem?" to which he said no, and then Martin said "you do now". And wham... A punch to the nose and Martin is on top smashing Zimmerman's head into the ground. A struggle for the gun ensues (so says Zimmerman, not that it matters) and bang, Martin is shot and dying.

The prosecutor better have something solid, thats an airtight self defense claim and it dont matter one bit if "stand your ground" is the law. That law protects people who choose to stay and fight rather than make an escape, Zimmerman wasn't given a chance to escape - he was attacked and put on the ground. Anyway, I haven't seen any evidence Zimmerman continued pursuing Martin after the dispatcher told him to break it off.

 

[Formaldehyde]

The paper this morning was speculating that there is likely further evidence that Zimmerman was the aggressor.

Lawyers: Prosecutor must have Zimmerman, Martin evidence not yet revealed

Angela Corey and her team of prosecutors must know something that the rest of us don't.

In order to charge George Zimmerman with second-degree murder, local defense attorneys say, there must be something showing that Zimmerman acted with a "depraved mind" when he shot Trayvon Martin. And, to negate a defense under Florida's "stand your ground" law, there must be evidence that Zimmerman attacked Martin first.

"I don't think she can prove that he acted with a depraved mind or an evil intent," said Denis de Vlaming, a Clearwater defense attorney. "That's a tremendously high burden for the facts as I know them."

Nevertheless, de Vlaming said he wasn't surprised Corey went for a murder charge.

In a highly scrutinized case complete with racial overtones and a public outcry for justice, the prosecutor went for the most serious charge she could, de Vlaming said. Even if a jury does not buy murder, they might settle on a lesser charge of manslaughter.

"It gives the jury some options," said Pinellas defense attorney Jay Hebert. "Typically it is difficult to prove a second-degree murder case where the person doesn't know the other person."

While second-degree murder requires prosecutors prove the "depraved mind" standard, manslaughter only requires they prove recklessness — that a defendant must have known the risks associated with his actions and done them anyway.

"In my opinion, it's going to be won or lost on forensics," de Vlaming said. "I would align as much forensic experience as I could possibly find on the issues."

That means finding witnesses — audio experts who can analyze the 911 calls, forensic pathologists who can examine Martin's wounds, and any witnesses who may have seen the attack.

But all the evidence presented publicly thus far has not provided a definitive answer of how the scuffle between Martin and Zimmerman transpired.

"It will be interesting to see what they have," Romine said. "Whatever evidence the prosecutor arrested him on, at some point the rest of the public will see it. What we all have to hope for is that the decisions being made are being made on the evidence and not on the uproar."

 

[Berzerker]

What we all have to hope for is that the decisions being made are being made on the evidence and not on the uproar

my $$$ is on the uproar

 

[Formaldehyde]

Because a Republican special prosecutor appointed by a Tea Party Republican governor is frequently influenced by the complaints of blacks of a highly discriminatory justice system, instead of the pursuit of justice for the victim no matter the color?

It's a good thing he isn't a Democrat...

 

[Ayn Rand]

Off to prison for whitey. We don't want to set a precedent where victims of crime think they can defend themselves. Come on, back in your cage with the other slaves - you'll die when we tell you to.

I'm not complaining about being in the centre of attention. In fact, I should be complaining not being in the centre of attention despite my pink glasses.

Stop being funny, it makes it hard to dislike you.

 

[Berzerker]

Because a Republican special prosecutor appointed by a Tea Party Republican governor is frequently influenced by the complaints of blacks of a highly discriminatory justice system, instead of the pursuit of justice for the victim no matter the color?

do you see a contradiction there?

if they didn't care about the uproar Zimmerman would still be free

besides, what do they care about Zimmerman? Cheap way to diffuse the uproar, throw him to the crowd of justice seekers.

 

[Crezth]

Off to prison for whitey. We don't want to set a precedent where victims of crime think they can defend themselves. Come on, back in your cage with the other slaves - you'll die when we tell you to.

maybe next time don't stalk and shoot kids

 

[Core Imposter]

Do we know if Zimmerman gets two bites at the "stand your ground" apple? First, at a hearing to determine if there is enough evidence to throw out the charge and second to convince a jury to aquit if a judge is not willing to throw it out?

Or, if a judge is not willing to throw it out, does Zimmerman lose any chance of self defense and will at that point essentially be looking to avoid second degree versus manslaughter, with added penalties in play due to other factors?

Does anyone have an opinion as to the evidentary value of the 911 recording in regard to who was crying for help? In the real, rather than the CSI world, can forensic science pin down with any certainity whoose voice that was?

 

[Berzerker]

maybe next time don't stalk and shoot kids

especially kids armed with only Skittles, who knew they could break your nose

 

[JollyRoger]

Do we know if Zimmerman gets two bites at the "stand your ground" apple? First, at a hearing to determine if there is enough evidence to throw out the charge and second to convince a jury to aquit if a judge is not willing to throw it out?

Or, if a judge is not willing to throw it out, does Zimmerman lose any chance of self defense and will at that point essentially be looking to avoid second degree versus manslaughter, with added penalties in play due to other factors?

Does anyone have an opinion as to the evidentary value of the 911 recording in regard to who was crying for help? In the real, rather than the CSI world, can forensic science pin down with any certainity whoose voice that was?

Zimmerman is on the 2nd of 3 bites of the apple (not counting the numerous bites available on apeal). The first bite was to convince the prosecutor not to charge him. He lost that. Next is a stand your ground motion decided by the judge. If he loses that, he gets a third bite before the jury.

As for the 911 voice analysis, the best that can be done is expert analysis and giving percentages. Both sides will likely have competing experts if voice analysis is even let into evidence. While it is possible they may be able to give a conclusion that it wasn't likely Zimmerman, without a baseline of Martin's voice, they may not be able to analyze in regards to him - after all - the screaming could have been from a conservative CFC poster in the area that was being persecuted by a flurry of one liners.