War Against The EU

[frenchman]

I don't think I'd mind the US having a weaker military if other allied nations had a stronger military. Most of the European Countries(With the exception of Great Britain and several other European Powers), have been content to let the US fight for them.

The funny part about this mod is, its Anti-EU! And you guys want to play it!

We never surrender Sword of Geddon !! Never .. I'm impatient to play this mod where if I good understand the EU is a great power ... It changes from the real life ....

 

[Cimbri]

Is there a way to simulate that most European armies don't fight on weekends?

 

[bigmeat]

i think jacque shirac not wanting to send troops to ensure a smooth election in aftghanistan dumb, oh and this site is pretty funny http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/france.html

and i also heard that if american troops werent in west europe during the cold the russians could have taken over all of europe in a few hours

personally i think every american citizen should have to serve a tour in the army once they turn 18, i mean germany and spain do that and germany hasnt had a war since ww2 and spain since the western sahara war in the 70s, nad america is always at war

 

[frenchman]

i think jacque shirac not wanting to send troops to ensure a smooth election in aftghanistan dumb, oh and this site is pretty funny http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/france.html

and i also heard that if american troops werent in west europe during the cold the russians could have taken over all of europe in a few hours

personally i think every american citizen should have to serve a tour in the army once they turn 18, i mean germany and spain do that and germany hasnt had a war since ww2 and spain since the western sahara war in the 70s, nad america is always at war

Hé ! Hé ! Interesting link ! Very funny ! You know the french are always joking about themselves, so it's not a problem ... And I'm italian ... ... But there is one victory of France it was forgotten : William the Conqueror, he was a northman, ok ... but he came with a lot of french knights and it's why the english language is very near the french language because he spoke french and was totally living with french habits ... So French, helped by William, were the only ones to conquer England since 1000 years .... [dance]

 

[frenchman]

Is there a way to simulate that most European armies don't fight on weekends?

Hé ! Hé ! About which european army are you speaking about ?? In France we have just one Elite force : the french foreign Legion !!
We send foreigners to fight so we have not problems with weekends ...

 

[bigmeat]

ya but ol' willy used a lot of normans and britons brittany which is in west france

and the french freign legion isnt really elite, ts just a bunch of foreigners, i think americaa should hav a foreign legion becaause we could get aa lot of mexicans to join if the serving in the legion allowed them to be citizens

 

[frenchman]

ya but ol' willy used a lot of normans and britons brittany which is in west france

and the french freign legion isnt really elite, ts just a bunch of foreigners, i think americaa should hav a foreign legion becaause we could get aa lot of mexicans to join if the serving in the legion allowed them to be citizens

If FFLegion is not an elite troop I don't know who is one ....
They have proved several times that they are great soldiers .... And for USA as far as I know there are a lot of mexicans in Irak in the american army ..This is the information we have in France ...
we should stop this now, I think ...

 

[bigmeat]

frenchman we'll keep up this convo here http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=2018032#post2018032

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

France historically has been one of the least evil of all Western Nations(They never commited Genocide for example) Which makes recent events tragic.

But thats off topic.

 

[mitsho]

never commited genocide?
you're joking, i hope?

What about Catharina de Medici and her Bartolomäusnacht (the german name, have no idea about the english one), and the French Revolution has also seen much blood. But stop this, it's off topic

mfG mitsho

 

[Red Threat]

Doesn't anyone remember that the first modern "lagers" (working camps) where used by the Americans during the Civil War (again, in WWII against the Japanese)?!

And what about the English and the Zulus?! And the Spanish and the Americans with the natives of the New World?

And the raising down of Carthage and Corinth by the romans in 136 BC?! Every great nation is born on blood.

 

[shr00mz]

muffins you got some things right up there in your head.. i am glad.. i am from slovenia a newly state in Eu and personaly think that cultural-economical-military-whatever connection of the nations and forgeting the "nationality based states" is the future the earthling must become one.. thinking on commongood.. realizing of possibilities of a comet hitting earth.. or increasing space reaserch.. what do you know maybi tommorew can be an end of the world.. or meybi you die.. and still we fight.. inspite the fact that is much much much better to kiss and so on.. model of USA is very good.. true they are dumb.. true they are narrowminded in some ways.. but still.. they kicck ass.. and i belive that future lies in connection not war.. but as a regular civ player i can say that war is fun and profitable and so on.. furthermore they have a lot of good stuff and so do europeans... so do russians.. so do africa.. so do everybody.. but i guess its in the nature of a human being that it cant take what it can and give what it needed, its much easier to just take it all or lose it.. and i would love to vote my vote in a cast where it would be a sign - United States of Earth we as humanitiy are at the "end of a game" and i belive that we must do another step towards the future.. forgetting stupid 3meter walls (and by the way metric system is much more usfull but after all we europeans can do calculate it to metric so it has no harm).. like in europe we did.. somehow.. dont get me wrong.. i aint saying that we should quit war budget.. i would even higher it my self.. but to another purpose.. to not a man slouther machine. but useful machines.. today we allready have technologies that arent even a part of civ, like intenet, we have great infrasrtukture.. so my basic idea is if there would be "peace on earth" in form of a mega state.democratic goverment.. on the net info and orders and everything comes very fast s it makes a world much smaller.. and think! having "peace" and infrastructure we may develop more ideas, increase science.. and build some **** like orbital fighters.. and bombers.. to perhaps defend from a mega-speedy giant piece of rock hitting earth.. or whatever there might be there.. we acctualy must be ready all the time.. strong police.. good use of science.. ihumanity as i see has stopped here at a point where nobady even knows what we're living for anywy. true.. theres money.. theres women.. there are a lot of good thing in life.. but than again.. you are born.. in a small village next to a tree in savannah.. peace and quiet.. non harmfull socieaty.. some years past bay.. you learned this and that.. interested in some basic question just as every european, chinese or russian.. why are the stars so far.. can i get them.. i am so small.. just a part of something bigger.. much bigger.. some even kill animls with some kinda drug to drug her so it doesnt hurt a lot.. and here using drugs on and on.. from alcohol to tobbaco.. from weed to ecstacy, shroomz, and on and on..naw the boy.. sees the savvanh in evening sun.. hear the whatever he haers.. and suddenly.. one night.. group of ten men walk in.. slaves al l men and rapes women.. kills old and takes the rest.. sells brothers and sisters (and money goes to terrorism or to state which has to pay something that is getting from another state) .. wepons.. anything.. and that boys finds himnself after three day of killing walk on a front.. they fill him with drugs.. and put a gun in hand and hike!.. cannonfood we sayy owerhere in slovenia.. cannonfood.. as i va heard longest record on front was three weeks.. man .. khm a boy of 13.. was a hero
khm khm if enyone has taken its valuable time to read my yabadaba as so some are surley to say tha is so far uture that stinks.. but still.. we the humans have survived.. so muchwar thet is almost unbeliavle.. two world wars -americans thank you for your support. great.. and we helped you too.. and mutual help is what we both want.. i personaly didnt vote for my country to join NATO but still i am not so upset abut it.. there are some fine man among slovenian troops (very few indeed hihi) yes yes anyhow mutuality and connections to humas i say.. and to conquer the univers not killing people.. that is boredom allready.. its the same as killing a pig.. lets find some nasty space bastrds and smash them.. now wouldnt you like to plan your vacation on one of the uranus moons.. and checking the email news about the growth of production and numbers of space cruisers and stations and orbital citties earth allready has.. true between planets we dont really know how to have a fast line (like internet oon earht itself) but firstly that is a problem that united scientists could fair with pleasure.. and secondly that is my mind wondering about a problem that i hope scientists could deal about with not in so distant future.

anyway.. lets play the game of life together and respect of one another respecting good thing and tried to counquer bad things.. think globally act locally..

 

[big_hairy_yeti]

Although i did enjoy reading the off topic posts, i really was hoping to download a scenario somewhere along the line, .... oh well.
Being a Scot, i like the french, Auld Alliance and all that.
And the french resistance saved many an allied aisman.
And werent the Franks proto french.... they ran europe at one point.

 

[frenchman]

Although i did enjoy reading the off topic posts, i really was hoping to download a scenario somewhere along the line, .... oh well.
Being a Scot, i like the french, Auld Alliance and all that.
And the french resistance saved many an allied aisman.
And werent the Franks proto french.... they ran europe at one point.

Yes ! I know the Auld Alliance !! I like Scotland too and in my scenario Scotland is always in alliance with France .. I use the great leader Robert The Bruce created by Sween 32 ... And try to have specific units for this civilization but I didn't find a lot of units... Could you have some ?

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

An allaince of countries and former countries that hate England lol!

 

[muffins]

Take a ticket and wait in line

 

[TheDarkPhantom]

Let's stop the calls for stopping the off-topic comments, I think its great that all these political opionions from people world over are being brought together by a Civ3 mod. And who says we're obsessed...

Its good fun seeing different guys trying to understand the other country's poitns of view. I'm studying politics for A-Level to go on to do it at University so its great hearing these views. Along with the distinct absense of Euopean Super Death Rockets. That too.

For people who are still interested, Sword of Geddon, you asked why the British people don't like Blair. For the most part people like some of what his government has done, but taking us into a war which has cost billions of £s, stationed what troops Britain does have a couple of thousand miles away, caused over 100 British soldiers dead (and lets not forget the 10,000 or so Iraqi civilians) and raised the threat of terrorism the world over, Britain, the US, Spain and other participants most of all, and for no WMDs that we were told existed, no reduction of the terrorist threat etc. etc. And Blair runs a centralised authoritarian government that has disregarded most of the consensual practices of the British system. So you can't blame us for getting a bit pissed off at him.

As for the EU, many British people are against it. Those who are for it realise that our economy is strongly dependant on it, that our international political influence is greatly raised by being a member (such as in the Steel Tariff battle where we managed to force the USA to stop its illegal taxes on foreign steel ), that generally the EU has worked to establish Human Rights and common trade practicies that our government has failed to, and so on. For nationalists...now that we don't have the British Empire, better to be a leading part of the rising world economic power than stranded in the Atlantic.

What I don't understand, and maybe someone American can explain, is why Americans hate the French so much...or have done since they attacked you over the Iraq war. All this rubbish about renaming French Fries Freedom Fries I mean please! Have you guys forgotten that without the French the US would never have won the war of independance, indeed, it would never have begun, it was onyl French support that gave the revolutionaries the capability to make a bid for independence in the first place, and the French Empire of the time practically bankrupted themselves to help you get independence from Britain. You'd think the US would remember that not insignificant fact...

 

[Phant]

An allaince of countries and former countries that hate England lol!

Thats a whole different scenario

 

[Rufus T. Firefly]

What I don't understand, and maybe someone American can explain, is why Americans hate the French so much...or have done since they attacked you over the Iraq war. All this rubbish about renaming French Fries Freedom Fries I mean please! Have you guys forgotten that without the French the US would never have won the war of independance, indeed, it would never have begun, it was onyl French support that gave the revolutionaries the capability to make a bid for independence in the first place, and the French Empire of the time practically bankrupted themselves to help you get independence from Britain. You'd think the US would remember that not insignificant fact...

The comic thing is that the greatest american symbol is french!

 

[Symphony D.]

What I don't understand, and maybe someone American can explain, is why Americans hate the French so much...or have done since they attacked you over the Iraq war. All this rubbish about renaming French Fries Freedom Fries I mean please! Have you guys forgotten that without the French the US would never have won the war of independance, indeed, it would never have begun, it was onyl French support that gave the revolutionaries the capability to make a bid for independence in the first place, and the French Empire of the time practically bankrupted themselves to help you get independence from Britain. You'd think the US would remember that not insignificant fact...

And America aided France during its darkest hours in WWII.

I think most people understand that when someone "hates France" it typically means the current French government - that of Jacques Chirac - which, in the eyes of many Americans, goes out of its way to oppose the United States just for the sake of opposing the United States, as seen in their attempts to turn the E.U. into something which "counterbalances" America. The language and motive are seen as suspicious, because someone who wants to "counterbalance" you isn't exactly what you would call a loyal ally. However, many people abroad feel the same way about the Bush administration. I think it's kind of implicit that when you say "France" or "America" or "Great Britain" you're really saying "Jacques Chirac", "George Bush", or "Tony Blair". It's no real animosity toward the peoples of that nationality, simply to their government.

I myself do not like the way the French government has conducted itself in recent matters, though I can see their motivations and reasons for doing so - France's government is there to serve France, not the United States - however, most of what dislike I have for the French government relates directly to Jacques Chirac himself. I can't say I harbor any ill-will to the average French citizen or anyone of any nationality for that matter.

Obviously, I can only speak for myself, but that's the way I see it - it's more of a response to the actions of another's government than to the people of that country.