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Gazans ‘shackled and blindfolded’ at Israel hospital​

Medical workers in Israel have told the BBC that Palestinian detainees from Gaza are routinely kept shackled to hospital beds, blindfolded, sometimes naked, and forced to wear nappies – a practice one medic said amounted to “torture”.
A whistle-blower detailed how procedures in one military hospital were “routinely” carried out without painkillers, causing “an unacceptable amount of pain” to detainees.
Another whistle-blower said painkillers were used “selectively” and “in a very limited way” during an invasive medical procedure on a Gazan detainee in a public hospital.
He also said critically ill patients being held in makeshift military facilities were being denied proper treatment because of a reluctance by public hospitals to transfer and treat them.
One detainee, taken from Gaza for questioning by the Israeli army and later released, told the BBC his leg had to be amputated because he was denied treatment for an infected wound.
A senior doctor working inside the military hospital at the centre of the allegations denied that any amputations were the direct result of conditions there, but described the shackles and other restraints used by guards as “dehumanisation”.
The Israeli army said detainees at the facility were treated “appropriately and carefully”.
The two whistle-blowers the BBC spoke to were both in positions to assess the medical treatment of detainees. Both asked to remain anonymous because of the sensitivity of the issue among their colleagues.
Their accounts are supported by a report, published in February by Physicians for Human Rights in Israel, which said that Israel’s civilian and military prisons had become “an apparatus of retribution and revenge” and that detainees’ human rights were being violated - in particular their right to health.

Concerns over the treatment of sick and injured detainees have centred on a military field hospital, at the Sde Teiman military base in southern Israel.
The field hospital was set up by Israel’s Health Ministry after the Hamas attacks specifically to treat Gazan detainees, after some public hospitals and staff expressed a reluctance to treat fighters captured on the day of the Hamas attacks.
Since then, Israeli forces have rounded up large numbers of people from Gaza and taken them to bases like Sde Teiman for interrogation. Those suspected of fighting for Hamas are sent to Israeli detention centres; many others are released back to Gaza without charge.
The army does not publish details of the detainees it is holding.

Handcuffed and blindfolded​

Patients at the Sde Teiman hospital are kept blindfolded and permanently shackled to their beds by all four limbs, according to several medics responsible for treating patients there.
They are also made to wear nappies, rather than use a toilet.
Israel’s army said in response that handcuffing of detainees in the Sde Teiman hospital was “examined individually and daily, and carried out in cases where the security risk requires it”.
It said that nappies [diapers] were used “only for detainees who have undergone medical procedures for which their movement is limited”.
But witnesses, including the facility’s senior anaesthiologist, Yoel Donchin, say both the use of nappies and handcuffs are universal in the hospital ward.
“The army create the patient to be 100% dependent, like a baby,” he said. “You are cuffed, you are with diapers, you need water, you need everything – it’s dehumanisation”.
Dr Donchin said there was no individual assessment of the need for restraints, and that even those patients who were unable to walk – for example, those with leg amputations – were handcuffed to the bed. He described the practice as “stupid”.
Two witnesses at the facility in the early weeks of the Gaza war told us that patients there were kept naked under the blankets.
One doctor with knowledge of conditions there said prolonged cuffing to beds would cause “huge suffering, horrible suffering”, describing it as “torture” and saying patients would start to feel pain after a few hours.
Others have spoken of the risk of long-term nerve-damage.

Footage of Gazan detainees released after interrogation shows injuries and scarring around their wrists and legs.
Last month, Israel’s daily Haaretz newspaper published allegations made by a doctor at the Sde Teiman site that leg amputations had been carried out on two prisoners, because of cuffing injuries.
The allegations were made, the paper said, in a private letter sent by the doctor to government ministers and the attorney-general, in which such amputations were described as “unfortunately a routine event”.
The BBC has not been able to independently verify this allegation.
Dr Donchin said that amputations were not the direct result of cuffing and had involved other factors – such as infection, diabetes or problems with blood vessels.
Israeli medical guidelines stipulate that no patient should be restrained unless there is a specific security reason for doing so, and that the minimum level of restraint should be used.
The head of the country’s Medical Ethics Board, Yossi Walfisch, after a visit to the site, said all patients had a right to be treated without being handcuffed, but that the safety of staff prevailed over other ethical considerations.
“Terrorists are given proper medical treatment,” he said in a published letter, “with the aim of keeping restraints to a minimum and while maintaining the safety of the treating staff.”
Many Gazans detained by Israel’s army are released without charge after interrogation.
Dr Donchin said complaints from medical staff at the Sde Teiman military hospital had led to changes, including a shift to looser handcuffs. He said he insisted on guards removing restraints before any surgical procedure.
“It’s not pleasant to work there,” he said. “I know it’s against the ethical code to treat someone cuffed in the bed. But what’s the alternative? Is it better to let them die? I don’t think so.”
But reports suggest the attitudes of medical staff towards detainees vary widely, in both military and civilian hospitals.

'Unacceptable levels of pain'​

A whistle-blower who worked at the Sde Teiman field hospital back in October, shortly after the Hamas attacks on Israel, described cases of patients being given inadequate amounts of painkillers, including anaesthetic.
He said a doctor once refused his request that an elderly patient be given painkillers while they were opening up a recent, infected amputation wound.
“[The patient] started trembling from pain, and so I stop and say ‘we can’t go on, you need to give him analgesia’,” he said.
The doctor told him it was too late to administer it.
The witness said such procedures were “routinely done without analgesia” resulting in “an unacceptable amount of pain”.
On another occasion, he was asked by a suspected Hamas fighter to intercede with the surgical team to increase the levels of morphine and anaesthetic during repeated surgeries.
The message was passed on, but the suspect again regained consciousness during the next operation and was in a lot of pain. The witness said both he and other colleagues felt there was a sense in which it had been a deliberate act of revenge.
The army said in response to these allegations that violence against detainees was “absolutely prohibited”, and that it regularly briefed its forces on the conduct required of them. Any concrete details of violence or humiliation would be examined, it said.
A second whistle-blower said the situation at Sde Teiman was only part of the problem, which extended into public hospitals. The BBC is calling him “Yoni” to protect his identity.
In the days that followed the 7 October attacks, he said, hospitals in southern Israel were faced with the challenge of treating both wounded fighters and wounded victims, often in the same emergency departments.
Hamas gunmen had just attacked Israeli communities along the border fence with Gaza, killing about 1,200 people and kidnapping some 250 others.
“The atmosphere was extremely emotional,” Yoni said. “Hospitals were completely overwhelmed, both psychologically and in terms of capacity.”
“There were instances where I heard staff discuss whether detainees from Gaza should get painkillers. Or ways to perform certain procedures that can turn the treatment into punishment.”
Conversations like this were not uncommon, he said, even if actual instances appeared very rare.
“I have knowledge of one case where painkillers were used selectively, in a very limited way, during a procedure,” he told the BBC.
“The patient did not receive any explanation of what was going on. So, if you put together [that] someone is undergoing an invasive procedure, which involves even incisions, and doesn’t know about that, and is blindfolded, then the line between treatment and assault thins out.”
We asked the Health Ministry to respond to these allegations, but they directed us to the IDF.

Yoni also said that the Sde Teiman field hospital was not equipped to treat severely injured patients, but that some of those held there in the early months of the war had fresh gunshot wounds to the chest and abdomen.
He said at least one critically ill man was kept there because of a reluctance by public hospitals to accept his transfer for treatment, adding that doctors at the base were “frustrated” by the situation.
Sufian Abu Salah, a 43-year-old taxi driver from Khan Youis, was one of dozens of men detained during raids by Israel's army and taken to a military base for questioning.
He said soldiers carried out severe beatings during the journey and also on arrival at the base, where he was denied treatment for a minor wound on his foot, which then became infected.
“My leg got infected and turned blue, and as soft as a sponge,” he told the BBC.
After a week, he said, the guards took him to hospital, beating him on his injured leg on the way. Two operations to clean his wound did not work, he told the BBC.
“Afterwards, they took me to a public hospital, where the doctor gave me two options: my leg or my life.”
He chose his life. After they amputated his leg, he was sent back to the military base, and later released back to Gaza.
"This period was mental and physical torture,” he said. “I can’t describe it. I was detained with two legs and now I have only one. Every now and then, I cry.”
The IDF did not respond to the specific allegations about Sufian’s treatment, but said the claims of violence towards him during his arrest or detention “were unknown and will be examined”.
In the days after the 7 October attack, Israel’s Health Ministry issued a directive that all Gazan detainees should be treated in military or prison hospitals, with the Sde Teiman field hospital created specifically to fill this role.
The decision won the backing of many in Israel’s medical establishment, with Yossi Walfisch, praising it as the solution to “an ethical dilemma”, which would remove responsibility for treating “Hamas terrorists” from the public health system.
Others have called for the closure of Sde Teiman, describing the situation there as “an unprecedented low point for the medical profession, and medical ethics.”
“My fear is that what we’re doing in Sde Teiman won’t allow a return to the way it was before,” one doctor told the BBC. “Because things that looked unreasonable to us before, will look reasonable when this crisis is over.”
Yoel Donchin, the anaesthesiologist, said medical staff at the field hospital sometimes gathered together to cry over the situation there.
“The moment our hospital closes,” he said, “we’ll celebrate.”
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crgygdr7vezo
 

Seven Palestinians killed in Israeli West Bank raid​

Seven Palestinians, including a doctor, have been killed by Israeli forces during an operation in Jenin in the north of the occupied West Bank, the Palestinian health ministry has said.
Dr Oussaid Jabareen, a 50-year-old surgeon at Jenin Government Hospital, was shot dead on his way to work, according to the ministry.
Palestinian media also said a teenage boy was killed while riding a bicycle.
The Israeli military said its troops exchanged fire with Palestinian gunmen during a counter-terrorism operation in Jenin and that it was reviewing allegations that “uninvolved individuals” were hit.
There has been a surge in violence in the West Bank since the start of the war in the Gaza Strip, triggered by Hamas's deadly attack on southern Israel on 7 October.
The UN says at least 480 Palestinians - members of armed groups, attackers and civilians - have been killed in conflict-related incidents in the West Bank, including East Jerusalem.
Ten Israelis, including six security forces personnel, have also been killed in the West Bank.

The West Bank-based Palestinian health ministry said seven people had been killed and nine wounded, two of them seriously, by Israeli fire during Tuesday morning’s operation in Jenin.
The only casualty it named was Dr Jabareen, whom it said Israeli forces had shot as he travelled to work at Jenin Government Hospital, where he was a surgeon.
The ministry accused Israeli forces of deliberately killing the doctor.
Official Palestinian news agency Wafa reported that a schoolboy in the ninth grade, Mahmoud Hamadna, was killed as he cycled through Jenin.
It posted a photograph on X, formerly Twitter, purportedly showing the teenager’s body lying on the ground in a side-street beside what looked like a bicycle.
Wafa also said schoolteacher Allam Jaradat was killed “while on duty” at Walid Abu Muwais Basic School and posted a photo that it said showed a pool of blood on the back seat of his car.
Photographs from Jaradat’s funeral showed mourners carrying a body wrapped in a Hamas flag.
Video footage meanwhile showed people helping a Palestinian photojournalist, Amr Mansara, who told AFP news agency that he had been "hit in the back of my leg by a stray bullet fired by Israeli forces".
Later, an AFP correspondent reported seeing at least five gunmen exchanging fire with Israeli troops in downtown Jenin, and that Israeli armoured bulldozers had dug up the surface of the road between the government hospital and Jenin’s refugee camp.
The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said in a statement that security forces began an operation in Jenin on Tuesday morning in response to intelligence about activity by Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad gunmen.
“As part of the counterterrorism activity and activities against terrorist infrastructure, extensive exchanges of fire are under way between the security forces and the armed terrorists. Hits to terrorists were identified. No IDF injuries were reported.
“During the exchanges of fire in the area, uninvolved individuals were reportedly hit. The IDF is reviewing the allegations,” it added.
Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) - which, like Hamas, is proscribed as a terrorist organisation by Israel, the UK and other countries - said it was battling Israeli forces in Jenin and had targeted some with an explosive device.
Hamas condemned what it called "a new massacre in Jenin".
A spokesman for Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, a rival of Hamas who is based in the West Bank, accused Israeli forces of “violating sanctities, killing innocent people and doctors and destroying the infrastructure of Palestinian hospitals, cities, villages and camps in full view of the world”.
On Friday night, the IDF said it had carried out a rare air strike in West Bank and killed a key figure in one of Jenin’s armed groups.
The IDF said Islam Khamayseh was a “senior terrorist operative” who had been involved in a series of attacks, including a 2023 drive-by shooting that killed an Israeli man near the settlement of Hermesh.
PIJ said Khamayseh was one of its members and that his killing would “not go unpunished”.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0wwp2d0gd4o
 

Norway recognises Palestine as a state​


I strongly support it but hard to say if it will make any impact at all. Hopefully Spain, Ireland and Norway's recognition of a Palestinian state can get some sort of ball rolling.
 
The general idea of recognizing a state controlled by Hamas is a horrible idea in itself. The timing seems hazardous and unjust.

What surprises me most is Spain, given its history of separatism. They have difficulty recognizing Kosovo and not jailing peaceful Basque and Catalonian separatists, but bloody massacres and kidnappings (including Spanish citizens) seem to be an incentive.

I don't know if it will help or harm Gantz's ultimatum. I fear that this will actually harden Israeli society even more. On the other hand, Netanyahu is in a very tough spot, and the weeks of no action are a sign of this.
 
The general idea of recognizing a state controlled by Hamas is a horrible idea in itself.
Why? Putting aside your assumption that Hamas is in contol, if Hamas' actions disqualify the concept of a Palestinian state . . . what does that say to Israel's government and the actions against civilians it has sanctioned?
 
Why? Putting aside your assumption that Hamas is in contol, if Hamas' actions disqualify the concept of a Palestinian state . . . what does that say to Israel's government and the actions against civilians it has sanctioned?
Israel may be sanctioned in various ways for exact war crimes.
But recognising Palestine at this time giving a message that the massacres of civilians are rewarded.
 
Israel may be sanctioned in various ways for exact war crimes.
But recognising Palestine at this time giving a message that the massacres of civilians are rewarded.

There literally could not be a better illustration of how Israelis get to be seen as fully human, individual, flawed, while the Palestinians are simply dismissed as a barbarous rabble. Readers, this is white supremacist ideology playing out live on your screen!
 
For some reason I thought that Greece had recognized Palestine (in the past), but apparently not.

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Does Cameroon have a serious reason for not recognizing Palestine? At least Eritrea is reasonably close.
 
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Israel may be sanctioned in various ways for exact war crimes.
But recognising Palestine at this time giving a message that the massacres of civilians are rewarded.
How many civilians has Israel massacred again?

What use is the possibility of sanctions when we're discussing punitive measures now? We punish Palestine now because of Hamas, but we don't punish Israel now despite them inflicting 30x the casualties in this latest conflict alone?

That doesn't seem consistent at all.
 
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Israel may be sanctioned in various ways for exact war crimes.
But recognising Palestine at this time giving a message that the massacres of civilians are rewarded.
Or maybe it's the realisation that, after almost a year of Israel committing war crimes and throwing out all norms of civility and all pretensions of rationality, and responding to the mildest criticism or calls for restraint with deranged disproportionality, there is no reason to let the issue of recognition of Palestinian statehood be held hostage to the whims of a psychotic state that is obviously antagonistic towards any semblance of Palestinian sovereignty and feels that they are above international law and norms.
 

Smotrich said he would not transfer tax funds Israel collects on behalf of the PA to the Palestinians, “until further notice”.

He added that he would cancel an agreement in which Norway was due to help facilitate the transfer of tax revenues in order to prevent the financial collapse of the authority. “Norway was the first to unilaterally recognise a Palestinian state today, and it cannot be a partner in anything related to Judea and Samaria,” Smotrich said using the Jewish name for the occupied West Bank.

According to Haaretz, Smotrich also demanded “punitive measures” from Netanyahu, “including: promoting the construction of tens of thousands of housing units in the West Bank; establishing a settlement ‘for every country that unilaterally recognises a Palestinian state’; cancelling the Norwegian arrangement; promoting a government decision to strengthen settlements in the West Bank; and revoking the VIP permits of Palestinian Authority officials at crossings, alongside imposing economic sanctions on them and their families.”
 



Israel Responds to Move to Recognize Palestinian State by Withholding Funds​

The finance minister’s office signaled that the decision, which could worsen the Palestinians’ dire economic crisis, was a response to Spain, Norway and Ireland recognizing Palestinian statehood.

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The Israeli finance minister, Bezalel Smotrich, left, with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, said that Israel will no longer send tax revenues to the Palestinian Authority.

Israel will not transfer much-needed funds to the Palestinian Authority in the wake of the decision by three European countries to recognize a Palestinian state, the country’s finance minister said on Wednesday, as its foreign minister denounced the European moves as giving “a gold medal to Hamas terrorists.”
The decision by the finance minister, Bezalel Smotrich, a far-right leader who opposes Palestinian sovereignty, threatened to push the Palestinian government into a deeper fiscal crisis. He said in a statement that he had informed Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu that he would no longer send tax revenues to the authority, which administers parts of the Israeli-occupied West Bank in close cooperation with Israel.
Mr. Smotrich’s office signaled that the decision was at least partly a response to Spain, Norway and Ireland recognizing Palestinian statehood, and that the Palestinian leadership bore responsibility for campaigning for the move.
“They are acting against Israel legally, diplomatically and for unilateral recognition,” said Eytan Fuld, a spokesman for Mr. Smotrich, referring to the authority. “When they act against the state of Israel, there must be a response.”

The Israeli move drew a rebuke from the White House, but no threat of action in response.
“I think it’s wrong on a strategic basis, because withholding funds destabilizes the West Bank. It undermines the search for security and prosperity for the Palestinian people, which is in Israel’s interests,” Jake Sullivan, President Biden’s national security adviser, said at a news conference. “And I think it’s wrong to withhold funds that provide basic goods and services to innocent people.”
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Mohammad Mustafa, the recently inaugurated Palestinian Authority prime minister, warned that the dire fiscal situation was contributing to a “very serious moment” in the West Bank, which has faced increasing unrest since the Hamas-led Oct. 7 attacks on Israel.
He said that he was set to meet top diplomats from countries that have traditionally provided funding for the authority next week in Brussels. “We go through an extremely difficult time trying to deliver services to our people on the ground, and they’re already under military action,” Mr. Mustafa said in a video distributed by his office. “And on top of that, we cannot pay them to do the basic things. This is war.”

Israel also recalled its ambassadors from Spain, Ireland and Norway for consultations on Wednesday morning. Israel Katz, the Israeli foreign minister, said he had summoned the countries’ envoys to Israel for a “severe scolding” following “their governments’ decision to award a gold medal to Hamas terrorists.”
Mr. Netanyahu’s office did not respond to a request for comment on Mr. Smotrich’s statement.
Under decades-old agreements, Israel collects customs and import taxes on behalf of the Palestinian Authority. Those revenues constitute most of the Palestinian budget, particularly as international aid has declined. But Mr. Smotrich — who has labeled the Palestinian Authority “an enemy” — had already delayed transferring the latest tranche of funds before the announcements on Wednesday, said Mr. Fuld and a Palestinian official. The Palestinian official spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the matter publicly.

The Ramallah-based Palestinian Authority is already in a severe financial crisis following tightened Israeli restrictions on its funding and a depressed West Bank economy stemming from the war. This month, it managed to pay only 50 percent of the salaries of tens of thousands of civil servants.
Diplomats and analysts have warned that the Palestinian government’s deepening financial problems could lead to even more unrest in the West Bank. More than 500 Palestinians have been killed in the territory, many in clashes with Israeli forces, since the Hamas-led attack on Oct. 7 prompted Israel to go to war in Gaza, according to the Palestinian Authority Health Ministry.
Palestinians have faced tightening Israeli restrictions since Oct. 7. Over 100,000 Palestinians who worked in Israel were barred from entering, creating mass unemployment overnight. Near-nightly raids, Israeli road closures, and stricter checkpoints have further choked the Palestinian economy.
The Palestinian Authority traditionally disburses some of the tax funds collected by Israel to Gaza. After the war broke out in October, Mr. Smotrich said he would withhold that part from the amount it transfers to the authority. Palestinian officials refused to accept the reduced payments at all in protest.
After a monthslong standoff over the issue, Israeli and Palestinian leaders agreed to a deal stipulating that Norway would hold some of the revenues in trust until Israel agreed they could be sent to the Palestinians. The Palestinians agreed to receive the reduced payments in the meantime.

On Wednesday, Mr. Smotrich called for the government to immediately annul that agreement as well.
Top Israeli officials, including Mr. Netanyahu, have repeatedly excoriated international recognition of a Palestinian state as a “prize for terrorism” after the Oct. 7 attack.
Most of the current hard-line Israeli government rejects the establishment of an independent Palestinian state, practically ruling out peace talks to end Israel’s decades-long occupation.
President Biden and Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken have said that after the war, Gaza should be unified with the West Bank under a “revitalized” Palestinian Authority. Israel has remained vehemently opposed to that idea. The authority in its current form is also unpopular among Palestinians, who view it as complicit in Israel’s occupation.
Yair Lapid, the leader of Israel’s parliamentary opposition, said he agreed with Mr. Netanyahu that the three countries’ decisions were “disgraceful.” But he also called it “an unprecedented diplomatic failure” for Israel in a statement on social media, an implicit reproach of Mr. Netanyahu.
Aaron Boxerman is a Times reporting fellow with a focus on international news. More about Aaron Boxerman
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The fact they're going this hard on the West Bank shows it was never about Hamas.

It's about Hamas in the sense that the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank is a key pillar of the occupation there, and thus is an indispensable partner in keeping Hamas from controlling the West Bank too - these moves to withhold funding of the PA are not so much "punishing" the Palestinians as intentionally engineering a "crisis" situation in the West Bank where militants will have much greater freedom of action without the Palestinian police operating. Then this can be pointed to as further evidence that the Palestinians don't deserve any state (and in a more immediate sense will be used to justify further violence by the IDF and settlers against Palestinians there).
 
There literally could not be a better illustration of how Israelis get to be seen as fully human, individual, flawed, while the Palestinians are simply dismissed as a barbarous rabble. Readers, this is white supremacist ideology playing out live on your screen!
oh I've seen plenty from this board stating that Palestinians had no recourse but to try and kill as many Israelis as possible (or at least support political platforms which do) which is just reverse-racism when you think about it...
Or maybe it's the realisation that, after almost a year of Israel committing war crimes and throwing out all norms of civility and all pretensions of rationality, and responding to the mildest criticism or calls for restraint with deranged disproportionality, there is no reason to let the issue of recognition of Palestinian statehood be held hostage to the whims of a psychotic state that is obviously antagonistic towards any semblance of Palestinian sovereignty and feels that they are above international law and norms.
We can condemn Israel without backing the other side, is I think was the point of the post.
I fail to see what waving our hands over Palestine and calling it a state really does for them, other than draw the lines on the domestic front for whatever politics is going on in Norway or wherever...

Otherwise we're just getting into arguments about nations being infinitely divisible to best suit their demographics trends, like a country for the Basques as mentioned, or Quebec, etc.
 
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