Verbose
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Switzerland is not neutral in this conflict. It also decided to support Ukraine in this conflict, in solidarity with the rest of Europe.
The Swiss not declaring themselves strictly neutral is pretty big, historically speaking.
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The Swiss not declaring themselves strictly neutral is pretty big, historically speaking.
Apparently not.
From fighterbomber, aka "the only reliable Russian source":
"The (Morozovsk) airfield was empty. But you'll get your ass kicked for the broken roof, of course"
Fighterbomber
Аэродром был пустой. Самолётов там не было. За поломанную крышу канешн получите пизды. 😏 Своевременный вывод из под удара, залог целых самолётов. Вывод из под удара, это единственный эффективный метод спасения самолетов в отсутствии ЖБУ
t.me
yes, of course, but I thought Russians had leveled the difference with Ukraine when it comes to recon drone.
Apparently not.
From fighterbomber, aka "the only reliable Russian source":
"The (Morozovsk) airfield was empty. But you'll get your ass kicked for the broken roof, of course"
Fighterbomber
Аэродром был пустой. Самолётов там не было. За поломанную крышу канешн получите пизды. 😏 Своевременный вывод из под удара, залог целых самолётов. Вывод из под удара, это единственный эффективный метод спасения самолетов в отсутствии ЖБУ
And indeed, those Su-34 are not listed in the Russian losses.
but still not allowing weapons/ammo they sold to European countries to be transferred, or did I miss that ?
Who's left neutral ? Brazil ?
Thorgalaeg
Deity
Since you y
About the airfield , it is empty NOW for sure lol. Funny how in fighterbomber photo, which is the same as the one you can't see, the resolution is just low enough so the two su-34 in the destroyed hangar are not visible. Maybe the number of Russian reliable sources is not one but zero?
You are mixing two different twits from different authors talking about different things. Understanable, since you don't know what you are talking about.Apparently not.
From fighterbomber, aka "the only reliable Russian source":
"The (Morozovsk) airfield was empty. But you'll get your ass kicked for the broken roof, of course"
Fighterbomber
Аэродром был пустой. Самолётов там не было. За поломанную крышу канешн получите пизды. 😏 Своевременный вывод из под удара, залог целых самолётов. Вывод из под удара, это единственный эффективный метод спасения самолетов в отсутствии ЖБУ
About the airfield , it is empty NOW for sure lol. Funny how in fighterbomber photo, which is the same as the one you can't see, the resolution is just low enough so the two su-34 in the destroyed hangar are not visible. Maybe the number of Russian reliable sources is not one but zero?
Loss of these Su-34 was debunked, it would be stupid for him to report such cases.
And plenty of others, outside of pax americana.
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Snowygerry
Deity
Sweden used to be neutral, now they too have realized Russia cannot be trusted, the others will come around too but for the moment they still profit from the conflict.
About Abrams losses - the article is two weeks old, by the time of publishing it was correct. They were withdrawn from combat after Ukraine lost 5-6 of them in about a week in April.
They started to appear in losses again only in June or late May, you can check earlier reports.
Verbose
Deity
Nah, the formula was "alliance free in peacetime, neutral in wartime".
When Russia attacked Ukraine the situation overnight flipped to "wartime", except this time Sweden decided to not declare itself neutral to it. There is a precedent – the the 1939-40 Finnish Winter War, where Sweden also did not declare its neutrality, and sent aid to Finland.
And then there is of course the whole funny business of Sweden being an "undercover" secret US ally through the later part of the Cold War. The US extended it's "nuclear umbrella" over Sweden as well, in return for Sweden scrapping its nuclear weapons program in the late 1960's.
Thorgalaeg
Deity
Debunked by who? We have satellite images of a heavy attack on an airfield where many impacts and destructions are visible after Russian officials claimed all UAVs were downed (as usual), we have also the before with the aircraft and the aftermath with burn spots in the exact places where the aircraft were parked and even two aircraft are partially visible inside a destroyed hangar.
Of course Andrew didnt include them since he only counts confirmed loses where you can see the tank exploding in pieces literally. But nothing debunked here. Much on the contrary.
Snowygerry
Deity
Time to restart the program maybe ?
Brigades are rotated on the front, there is only one operating the Abrams, the 47th Mechanized Brigade.
That brigade suffered losses because Russia was about to make a breakthrough in their sector in March...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davida...ir-last-stand-and-halted-the-russian-advance/
... then in April, just before it was about to be rotated out of the front...
A Ukrainian Brigade Disappeared, And A Russian Brigade Almost Broke Through: How The Battle For Ocheretyne Upended The War In Ukraine This Weekend
The 47th Mechanized Brigade is one of the Ukrainian army’s best brigades. But being best isn't good enough when adjacent brigades just disappear from the front line.
www.forbes.com
... and the rotation was delayed.
And once they were finally rotated out, Russian propaganda started, and pro-Russian or useful idiots spread it.
By Fighterbomber, who has insider information, and doesn't hesitate to report Russian losses. As opposed to speculations from low res satellite pictures.
I don't see substantial difference between "Brigade suffered losses and was withdrawn from combat" and "Brigade suffered losses and was rotated".
Whether rotation was caused by high losses in general or unusually high Abrams losses, we don't know.
There were reports about Ukrainians equipping Abramses with anti-drone nets and Soviet-made Kontakt ERA, so the reason for withdrawal might just as well be making them more difficult to kill by the drones.
Thorgalaeg
Deity
Let's see: satellite pictures being debunked by the word of a Russian mil-blogger mmmm... Sorry but this work the other way around.
Right, satellite pictures which failed to provide evidence of losses, even for pro-Ukrainian reporters.
Rotation is something planned, Russian army doesn't rotate its brigades ?
That brigade stayed longer on the front that it should have, that was known before the losses in March.
And those April losses happened after it was beginning to rotate out, they had to go back because the rotation with another brigade failed and Russia could have made a breakthrough.
So yes, we definitively know that the April losses didn't cause the withdrawal, it's the failed rotation that caused the losses.
Almost no artillery support in March and April by the way (and no air support, of course), 10:1 ratio of shells fired in favor of Russia, would that happen if it was the US army operating them on the front ?
And yet, no breakthrough.
Conclusion: Abrams are a failure.
Sure. Let's hope the F-16 will fail the same way, as well as other western equipment, a few more failures like that and Russia will finally be short of cold war era stocks to wage its war.
Thorgalaeg
Deity
Apart of the parking zone charred even with marks of burnt fuel splits, there are two aircraft visible in the destroyed roofless hangar, unless Russia like to store aircraft in ruinous debris-full hangars those were there during the attack. So not direct evidence but extremely heavy indications. The word of a russian milblogger is neither evidence, nor indication otoh.
saamohod
Deity
Oh he sure does hesitate to report Russian losses
. He only reports the most obvious ones that cannot be hidden.We can't know the all the real reasons of withdrawal/rotation.
The facts that we know is Ukraine suffered multiple Abrams losses in April. Then tanks didn't appear on the battlefield for a while, until June. Having additional anti-drone protection, but still suffering losses. Everything else is assumptions.
Neither one.
I regularly read him, unlike you.Oh he sure does hesitate to report Russian losses
In regards to air forces he occasionally reports some losses which didn't appear anywhere else.
And of course he likes to debunk Ukrainian fakes about Russian losses.
One of the earlier reports when Ukraine claimed six aircraft destroyed and 8 damaged, which upon verification turned into zero
No Major Damage Seen At Russian Air Base After Drone Attack
Soaring claims about widespread destruction at the installation, which serves as a major tactical airpower hub for Russia, appear untrue.
www.twz.com
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Please, I take the time to source my facts, planned rotation in April is one, if you want to discuss that fact, provide a source that says it wasn't planned.
Verbose
Deity
Hardly. It's a big part of the reason Sweden has headed into NATO. When the USSR imploded, the treaty with the US expired – no USSR, no deal.
Not that anyone thought much about it at the time, since this new Russia was supposed to be nice and reasonable and not-threatening like the USSR had been. It wasn't as if there was any kind of ideological conflict – or so it seemed for quite some time...
The other big part was that the Finns took one hard look at Russia in early 2022, and went hell-for-leather towards NATO. Had the Finns not done so, then the separate Swedish-Finnish defense-union that was already in place would have continued – and neither of them would have joined NATO. It's just that with the Finns already gone, the clock was ticking to not end up holding the bucket of being the only non-NATO state in a neighborhood dealing with an aggressive, revanchistic Russia.
The fundamental problem with an independent nuclear weapons (and launch vehicle) program is that it costs a fortune. And it is a LOT less useful than outright conventional military capability for deterrence – and what makes for the deterrent effect is actual military ability to seek out a destroy stuff in detail. Nuking everything in sight could do that too, sorta kinda, but is clearly not advisable.
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