War stories from YOUR ancient relatives

"A serious migration" = migration on significant scale.

Supposedly my grandfather was reported KIA for almost a month

That's called MIA (Missing In Action), not KIA. KIA are only confirmed deaths (i.e. you can see and identify the body).

somehow his dog tag was turned in despite him never being wounded.

Doesn't matter. He would still be reported as MIA*, rather than KIA, as long as they had no identified body.

*And after some time - MIA presumed dead. Only after long time (years, not one month) - KIA.
 
Domen said:
"A serious migration" = migration on significant scale.
What's a significant migration?
 
My mother tracked her ancestors back to a French mercenary who somehow ended up fighting in Livonian War (1558-1583).
 
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That's called MIA (Missing In Action), not KIA. KIA are only confirmed deaths (i.e. you can see and identify the body).
Doesn't matter. He would still be reported as MIA*, rather than KIA, as long as they had no identified body.

*And after some time - MIA presumed dead. Only after long time (years, not one month) - KIA.

Uh no, if that was the case, then the vast, vast, majority of casualties would be recorded as MIA. (To be honest, a lot of books and records now do combine the KIA/MIA columns.) It's obvious that for his dog tag showed up they took it off a dead body, so either somebody was holding his tags for some reason, somebody had misprint tags, or some other shenanigans were going on that is lost to history. Also, again we don't know the whole story because he never would talk about it.
 
Uh no, if that was the case, then the vast, vast, majority of casualties would be recorded as MIA.

That was the case.

Not vast majority, but very large part of casualties are indeed recorded as MIA immediately after the battle / campaign. Only later the number of MIA is being verified (usually downwards), as it turns out that various people who previously were recorded as MIA, are found out to be dead or alive (e.g. in enemy captivity).

MIA basically is everyone who is not confirmed killed or confirmed wounded, but is missing from his unit.

To be honest, a lot of books and records now do combine the KIA/MIA columns

When these books / records are compiled a very long time after the end of a particular battle / campaign - then indeed they do. But by that time, majority of MIA are already verified to be KIA. Also when you are recorded as MIA for many years, you can be judged dead and moved to KIA column.

However, immediately or short time after the battle / campaign is over, MIA and KIA columns are not combined.

For example in daily reports or weekly reports. Or even in summary reports compiled shortly after the end of a campaign.

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Germans during WW2 had a special Commission the task of which was to research the cases of MIA soldiers. The longer time from a particular wartime operation had passed, the smaller was the number of MIA and the higher the number of KIA (since MIAs were gradually being moved to KIA column).

A report compiled 10 days after the end of the 1940 Westfeldzug is going to show different numbers of KIA & MIA, than a report compiled 3 years later.

Same with other campaigns. For example a casualty report by Wehrmachtverlustvesen dated 30.11.1944 (it compiles casualties from various campaigns up to this point) says that casualties of the German Army (Heer - ground forces - this does not include casualties of Luftwaffe and Kriegsmarine) in the Polenfeldzug of September 1939 amounted to 16843 KIA and 320 MIA (total 17163 KIA and MIA). If you compare this to any earlier report, you will see that the number of MIA was much higher there. For example shortly after the end of the campaign (so when all POWs captured by the Polish army were already recaptured by the Germans - thus could not be included among those MIA) the number of MIA was reported between ca. 3,500 and ca. 5,500 (depending on date of the report).

This means that immediately after combats, only soldiers who undoubtedly were killed, are reported as KIA.

Others are reported as MIA and then gradually their deaths are being verified.

So I am sure that your father was reported as MIA for one month. The probablity that they reported him as KIA without having a body is small.

Unless, of course, procedures leading to recognizing a soldier as KIA were less strict in the US Army than in the German Army.

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And such a curiosity:

Even nowadays Japanese casualties on Iwo Jima officially include 12,000 MIA. They were never 100% confirmed as dead:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/15/japanese-prime-minister-iwo-jima

Bodies not found = soldiers are missing, not KIA (even though we have year 2013 and the battle was in 1945)...
 
I'm sorry, I haven't really been paying attention, but is Domen saying that Mannerheim's account of his own family history is factually wrong because of a distinction that isn't always followed by actual people on the ground?
 
I'm sorry, I haven't really been paying attention, but is Domen saying that Mannerheim's account of his own family history is factually wrong because of a distinction that isn't always followed by actual people on the ground?

Is Poland the most awesome country to ever grace the Earth?
 
Well my grandfather left Fujian, China in 1934 for Singapore. I also have a book that traces the family history back to the reign of the Hongwu Emperor.

And I do share the surname of a certain self-professed brother of Jesus Christ.

So maybe...

Spoiler :
 
I have a great-great uncle in the British army who died in the Italian campaign in 1944. My great-grandfather served in the Pioneer Corps. That's all I know, really.
 
My Great-grandfather fought the Italians in Albania during WWII and then returned from Albania to Athens walking (and eating 5 cats in his way, since there was not food).
 
I had some relatives in Tennessee who fought for the Union. Some of my ancestors fought in the American Revolution. The earliest confirmed veteran in my family fought in King Philip's War.

An unconfirmed Relative from England died in Jerusalem in the 13th century, I am assuming on Crusade. I am also, according to ancestry.com, related to Alaric the Visigoth, but neither of these are absolutely sure as they are connected to an English Nobleman I "might" be related to.
 
Something like 4% of all (English) Britons who have English parents and grandparents are not related to King Edward III. Virtually every Caucasian in Europe can probably trace their descent (however tenuously) from the Emperor Charlemagne. A similar situation applies to Central Asians and Genghis Khan. Almost any historical figure with lots of children in roughly the same geographical area can be presumed to be a distant ancestor if you travel back far enough.
 
Indeed, we were just having this discussion in another thread. Basically, if you plot the theoretical number of ancestors you have (2 parents, thus 4 grandparents, thus 8 great-grandparents, 16 gggp's, etc.), and make a simple assumption about generation length, then by the time you get back to ~1100AD, you have many, many, many more theoretical ancestors then there were people on the Earth at that time.

It's a very crude and simplistic analysis, but I think the conclusion - that you're descended from just about everyone who lived in the general region (Europe, Sub-Saharan Africa, China, India, etc.) at that time - remains sound. And if you're not descended directly from them, you're related.
 
Indeed, we were just having this discussion in another thread. Basically, if you plot the theoretical number of ancestors you have (2 parents, thus 4 grandparents, thus 8 great-grandparents, 16 gggp's, etc.), and make a simple assumption about generation length, then by the time you get back to ~1100AD, you have many, many, many more theoretical ancestors then there were people on the Earth at that time.

It's a very crude and simplistic analysis, but I think the conclusion - that you're descended from just about everyone who lived in the general region (Europe, Sub-Saharan Africa, China, India, etc.) at that time - remains sound. And if you're not descended directly from them, you're related.

That was actually this thread, I do believe.
 
One of my ancestors named Grog killed a guy named Nog with a big rock in 10,000 BCE.

More seriously the only one that comes to mind right now is my grandfathers brother (my great uncle?) who was in the Air Force. He was involved in some small affair that went down in 60's. Something to do with phallic objects. Typical eh?

Another one of my grandfathers brothers was some sort of embassy fellow to some Asian country during some shindig.
 
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