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Was Nazi Germany the pinnacle of German civilization?
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Shekwan
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This thread is the pinnacle of Off Topic Civilisation.
holy king
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pretty much, it only went downhill from there.
Xanikk999
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The third reich could of been succesful if the Nazis didn't go through with their eugenics program and did not try to invade the Soviet Union.
If it werent for the nazi party Germany may of reformed its empire following the great depression and remained a world power.
As it stands from current history though they were most certainly not the peak of German civilization. In my opinion that would be during Bismarks time as chancellor.
If it werent for the nazi party Germany may of reformed its empire following the great depression and remained a world power.
As it stands from current history though they were most certainly not the peak of German civilization. In my opinion that would be during Bismarks time as chancellor.
holy king
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i'd really like to hear how the eugenics programm brought down nazi germany.
espcecially since it was abandoned in 1941. (i suppose you're talking about T4)
Reginleif
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I think your letting your PC mind take a hold of you. Was not Germany between 1933-1945 the era where Germany had the greatest political, ideological, acedemic, and socail impact on the world?
holy king
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political: the german brand of fascism never really got hold anywhere else in the world
generally, it's an italian political system anyway, not a german one
ideological: absurd race theories and eugenics have since been abandoned
academic: considering the jewish brain drain, i'm not even sure what you're talking about
social: define social impact.
generally, it's an italian political system anyway, not a german one
ideological: absurd race theories and eugenics have since been abandoned
academic: considering the jewish brain drain, i'm not even sure what you're talking about
social: define social impact.
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No, a racist, imperialist, hellhole can not possibly be the pinnacle of German history, if anything, it could be said to be the dark age of Germany.
If any nation were to be the pinnacle, then it would be Holy Rome or Present day Germany.
If any nation were to be the pinnacle, then it would be Holy Rome or Present day Germany.
You'll need to extend that initial date back to the mid 19th century, with a dip in the immediate aftermath of WWI. And in scientific terms at least, pre WW1 was more significant.
Reginleif
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I could replace the "German" in this sentence with "Spainish," or "British" and it would be just as true. We openly fetishize these empires who have openly and successfully commited genocide against millions of communities without anyone even flinching in praising them, who in many ways, had nearly an identical racail policy, but because your told to worship one and regard the other as evil, your now mad.
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I can't understand the reasoning behind why someone would think Nazi Germany was the pinnacle of German civilization.
The Third Reich was still going to fail. They were living off of war loot and the economy would've received a massive shock no matter what. Them invading the Soviet Union hastened things, yes, but since the Glorious Empire of Brittania (TM) refused to make peace, Germany was running into problems anyway. The fact is, they weren't ready for a long drawn out war in the first place. Had France actually did something between the fall of Poland and the invasion of France, they could've possibly ended the war there.
The Germans had nothing more than a showroom army when they invaded Poland. Lot's of nice tanks, planes, guns, etc. but not enough ammunition and they nearly ran out. The Eugenics program didn't affect anything one way or the other though, the Holocaust did since that meant a lot of resources, manpower, etc. was diverting to killing off "untermensch". Some of which were skilled in their fields. If not many.
No....I really doubt it. Post-war Germany was a mess. Short of one extreme (Communists) or another (Fascists), the Germans weren't going to bother remaking its empire. The only thing the World War was good for was getting people doing something. It Germany didn't actually have the next war it did, they would've been screwed over since everyone knows you want to keep the young males employed doing something.
So, either A.) Civil War because the Reichsmark wasn't worth the trees they were made from, B.) Communism would've engulfed the region, or C.) Some powerful right-wing, Fascist government.
Quite possibly, if it wasn't for the US's entry into World War 1, Germany and the Entente probably would've settled on a white peace. That would mean Germany keeps most of its land, doesn't have to worry about so much post-war turbulence, and wouldn't have to pay such insane war reparations. Though, that would create a ton of butterflies and probably lead to a second world war down the line but who knows?
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In my eyes, the pinnacle of a civilization shouldn't lead to the greatest devastation of that civilization. The British Empire, while evil, also managed to hold onto a 1/3 of a world at one time. The pinnacle of power for them was probably anywhere between the 1800s to 1918. The Spanish Empire's pinnacle was a loooonnnng time ago.
But the pinnacle of both didn't directly lead to their nation being split down the middle for 45 years. It would be like saying the "pinnacle" of Japanese civilization was the early 1940s.
The Third Reich was still going to fail. They were living off of war loot and the economy would've received a massive shock no matter what. Them invading the Soviet Union hastened things, yes, but since the Glorious Empire of Brittania (TM) refused to make peace, Germany was running into problems anyway. The fact is, they weren't ready for a long drawn out war in the first place. Had France actually did something between the fall of Poland and the invasion of France, they could've possibly ended the war there.
The Germans had nothing more than a showroom army when they invaded Poland. Lot's of nice tanks, planes, guns, etc. but not enough ammunition and they nearly ran out. The Eugenics program didn't affect anything one way or the other though, the Holocaust did since that meant a lot of resources, manpower, etc. was diverting to killing off "untermensch". Some of which were skilled in their fields. If not many.
No....I really doubt it. Post-war Germany was a mess. Short of one extreme (Communists) or another (Fascists), the Germans weren't going to bother remaking its empire. The only thing the World War was good for was getting people doing something. It Germany didn't actually have the next war it did, they would've been screwed over since everyone knows you want to keep the young males employed doing something.
So, either A.) Civil War because the Reichsmark wasn't worth the trees they were made from, B.) Communism would've engulfed the region, or C.) Some powerful right-wing, Fascist government.
Quite possibly, if it wasn't for the US's entry into World War 1, Germany and the Entente probably would've settled on a white peace. That would mean Germany keeps most of its land, doesn't have to worry about so much post-war turbulence, and wouldn't have to pay such insane war reparations. Though, that would create a ton of butterflies and probably lead to a second world war down the line but who knows?
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In my eyes, the pinnacle of a civilization shouldn't lead to the greatest devastation of that civilization. The British Empire, while evil, also managed to hold onto a 1/3 of a world at one time. The pinnacle of power for them was probably anywhere between the 1800s to 1918. The Spanish Empire's pinnacle was a loooonnnng time ago.
But the pinnacle of both didn't directly lead to their nation being split down the middle for 45 years. It would be like saying the "pinnacle" of Japanese civilization was the early 1940s.
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What does pinnacle of civilization even mean? There are ups and downs, how are we supposed to judge them?
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Reginleif
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Political: According to most Civ Fanatics having large borders = more important civ (this is not a straw man, if you honestly ask why a civ should be in a game they will spout this off)
Idealogical: I mean, by defining themselves as a people who inhabit Germany post-WWI. Popularized facism on world stage.
Acedemic: All the stuff they inveted V1 and other stuff. Made Jesus into an Aryan which is with us to this day
Socail: For the first time the veiws of the general German was expoused in their goverment.
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Hmm?
That is a strawman.
No it didn't. How many Fascist nations were there after World War 2? Maybe Spain? Italy was the one that started it so the argument still fails.
WHAT THE FU-
That's so incredibly wrong and stupid that I think you're a Middle Schooler. Jesus has been drawn as a white man for HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF YEARS. The only reason they got ahead in rocket technology was because they were banned, by the treaty that ended World War 1, from going into anything else so of COURSE they would be ahead in rocket technology. How far ahead was Germany when they ran into British radar? The V1s and V2s were nice party tricks but failed to change the war by the time they came up.
How many civilian technologies, that you use, did they invent? Every they used was only used militarily. It would be like saying that Sputnik is a German invention but by extension, is an Chinese invention because the blueprints were on paper. In the end, they did a lot of nice little party tricks that failed to change the war.
Guess what? Modern day Germany is ahead of Nazi Germany in terms of technology. They're ahead in many other areas as well. If you think Nazi Germany was "better" than modern Germany, you have serious issues.
What the hell are you talking about? History shows us that people will easily go side with a fringe group that promises them a lot of stuff. If the general German felt the same way the Nazis did, then why in the world was the point of the Gestapo? The Nazis promised revenge. They promised a scapegoat.
First times mean nothing. The first American election was the first time power peacefully transferred from one power base to another yet we don't say that was the pinnacle of "American civilization".
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