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Listening to a sad song by Mew I've been thinking tonight... Feeling that my personal life has been slightly difficult to overlook once again, I will attemp to share my terms with you guys in here. I'm not directly sad, I'm just, well, silent in some way right now? The events during the last couple of days are almost culminating, and tomorrow I will come to the point, where the is no return for me, emotionally. So, before there happens anything else, I'll post this essay for discussion and comments, and maybe a little help.

Well, the current problem really began a month ago.

After a long time of depression because I couldn't get girls to love me. Really, I didn't have any real problems about having them close to me, one night at least, but they never really cared about me the love way. It has been nothing but hormones so far. Being in love twice myself (I think I can tell the difference between hormones and love, according to the things I've heard people say. And after considering a lot by myself what my feelings for the opposite sex over time has been, I feel very confident I've been in love two times).

This year, though... I happily discovered this girl. She appearantly wrote to me over a homepage for youth seeking people to date - posting slightly neutral, I thought this girl was the slightly intellectual girl who was sweet, not really hot. She had no profile picture, but I jumped in and typed back to her. Her name later appeared to be Katrine. I developed a minor relationship with her, becoming a bit close to her - and even though I discovered that she lived in Jutland, Denmark (Me, living in Zeeland, Denmark, had to ride five hours by train to meet her) - I liked the way she was, was intrigued by her silent, neutral writing, and adored the way she posted small giggly things sometimes about my hair. Chicks dig my hair, btw. I've never regretted to grow it as long as it is - they like the way it curls, adore the softness, etc. They like to run their fingers through it, also.

But back to the story. She appeared to be increasingly interested in me. She appearently began posting small poetic sentences, not by purpose though, she send pictures of herself, not showing too much, but I saw her smile. You know, the usual thingy things with her.

Her silence, though, continued. Sometimes it climaxed by her almost not talking. Speaking to her in the mobile phone was a strange thing - her, being shy, almost never said anything. The silence hasn't really gone off yet. The bonding between us continued, and we managed to create a relationship. With time, she began trusting my words of sweetness, and trusted her reasons for the lack of words to me.

She was a cutter.

Although beautiful, her voice really rang sorrowfully that night. She was unpopular at school - a follower of the popular people, she thought she was never noticed, nor cared for. Appearantly, her parents and her brother thought very little of her. I think her shyness originated in this. She never, ever, trusted anyone; her father had robbed her of the capability. Having been told directly by her mother, her father didn't like her, at all. Both the mother and the father continuedly entered her room and yelled at her, her father drunk, beating her too. And her mother... Well... She is still lacking a thing to say to me, she told me so. I think it's about her mother. Not being seen worth as anything, she have had problems with shyness in school, leading to her social transparency. She sent a picture of her pretty face covered in tears after the revelation.

Me, well... I actually accepted it. Having gained enourmous sympathy for the poor human being, I began a systematic discussion with her, where I told her why she damaged herself, and she agreed with me. I told her she did that to herself because she felt she had to punish herself of some sort... Not feeling sufficient for the world, she decides to punish herself with force. She knew all along what was the reason for the hurting, and was happy to see that I understood her problems. After a lot of talk, I managed to make an agreement with her; she would not cut in herself, or at least, if she did, I had to do it too. She hasn't done it since (Two weeks ago, and I'm happy for it).

The last two weeks has been changing between sadness and extreme happiness. She later told me she loved me, and I answered sweetly back to her, and she was very happy. But I knew it was too soon. It was still nothing but hormones and feeling comforted by a theraupist figure (Who was me). Being frustrated, I attempted to consulate my father. He was very surprised of my actions and immediately said to me that she was absolutely insane and that I should keep away from that psycho. I broke down that night, like now, but back then I wasn't crying for some reason.

Being out of myself from frustration, I went back to the dating website. Recieving a message from a random girl, I decided to answer her. Her name was Simone. Speaking shortly with her, I found out she was completely different. Of course she was, though, but that's not my point.

Simone, being a year younger than me, was constantly being happy and joked by saying things making absolutely no sense. It was really, really weird humour. Luckily, it was my humour too. I laughed at the nonsense she wrote, discovering a happy part of myself that have been hidden for, well, probably twelve months at least. She made me feel free in some way, allowing me to speak in my very own words. We bonded. Sent pics to each other.

Learning to know Simone and her ways has made me feel somehow positive about something. Always smiling, having a beautiful body and a pretty face, and pink hair actually, her big cat-like eyes filled with mischief made me feel like laughing when not (At least the eyes look like that on her pics - I like eyes). I was not caring about anything, like her.

Simone asked me out in real life, of course. Wanting to see her and to have a great night with laughter and fun, I have prepared everything. We are going to see I Am Legend together tomorrow (She chose the movie, I don't think I'll like it myself).

Now, well, I finished crying. I started doing it about the "Me, well..." section, and stopped doing it when reaching "Being out of frustration," area. I was doing other things than this on the same time, and it took quite a while to type this, if anyone wonders how in the world anyone could cry so fast.

Still speaking to Katrine, though meeting Simone tomorrow, I feel nothing right now. Obviously, I've let down a person with that kind of personal problems.

And with that, I recently discovered I had a severe lack of empathy...

:(
 
Wow, pretty heavy.. I wish I could say something to help, but this is beyond me... Most I can is that, without meaning to sound heartless, they're her problems, not yours. You're just a guy she met on the internet, you're not really obliged to solve them for her... I don't think anyone would blame you for not getting too deeply involved in her life.
And I know that does sound heartless after all, but, well... I think it needed saying. :(

I wish you the best of luck with this, I really do.
 
Listen to some more upbeat music man. I hate that whole "I'm sad so I'll listen to sad music to perpetuate my sadness" thing. Because I used to do it. If I can't help with anything else, stop listening to sad music. it really kills any chance you have of cheering up.
 
Listen to some more upbeat music man. I hate that whole "I'm sad so I'll listen to sad music to perpetuate my sadness" thing. Because I used to do it. If I can't help with anything else, stop listening to sad music. it really kills any chance you have of cheering up.

I would disagree with that, but then again I think I'm an exception when it comes to listening music because it has different effects on me than on most people. To me, listening to sad music makes me feel "I'm not alone" and actually cheers me up. But I DEFINITELY understand it won't cheer up some people (maybe most, don't know).
 
Emotive music will resonate within you when you are depressed, and you will enjoy the music so very much more. However, Trajan is right...it's not going to help. You need to move past the sadness, not dwell within it.

Also, you don't have a lack of empathy...you're just numb. I was entirely without emotion for a month or two after breaking up with my girlfriend after a very long relationship, it's just a natural response to so much emotional stress. Hang in there.
 
Still speaking to Katrine, though meeting Simone tomorrow, I feel nothing right now. Obviously, I've let down a person with that kind of personal problems.

And with that, I recently discovered I had a severe lack of empathy...

:(
Listen.

Nylan said:
Also, you don't have a lack of empathy...you're just numb. I was entirely without emotion for a month or two after breaking up with my girlfriend after a very long relationship, it's just a natural response to so much emotional stress. Hang in there.
He's right.

Your problem isn't lack of empathy or emotion but the opposite, you're being overly emotional and after your own miserable times suddenly there are two different things (and girls) pulling you to two different directions.

So instead of really trying to solve the issue you fall as victim to your own feelings and block them all out. You're emotional burned out for the time being and try to escape into numbness.

What you need to do is go out with Simone and have fun. Experience it with fullest and then after that you have to talk with Katrine about the relationship between you and her (don't talk about Simone though yet). You have to tell her that since you are cabable of liking her, why in earth she would think nobody likes her? And you have to see where these issues are going.

Ultimately if both girls show interest you have to make decision that concerns both girls where to go. I would suggest trying to keep up relations with Katrine whatever happens, she probably needs you just to get over her apparent problems and loneliness. And I'm serious about this. There's heavy burden to carry but there's no other way out.

You will eventually feel good about yourself if you can deal with the situation. But you and your brains need time to go through all the issues involved. You are pushing yourself too hard and this all has happened too fast. Slow down but put some energetic music to the background instead of some lame emo stuff. You need the energy meet these challenges.

Apparently Katrine is also completely so shy and blocked she doesn't know what to do with you. Simone on the other hand sounds like blast with all her funniness. And this talk about hormones and love, they are related to each other but just remember that you shouldn't like Katrine because he's vulnerable and you feel sorry for her, that isn't real love and neither is your apparent charmful lust towards Simone's pretty in pink face and laughter. All I can say is that you should consider your feelings, motives behind them and how much you have common with each of these girls.

You haven't seen the whole of these girls yet so it's still just all these feelings, hormones, excitement, all newness, the feeling of being "needed" etc. that makes you just confused in the process.

One step at a time and you will know what direction to move.
And all I can say that even though I haven't encountered exactly similar situation, I'm speaking from expereince.
 
I was going to post a lengthy post, detailing somewhat similar experiences but I decided I just did not want that on the internet and deleted it halfway through. So I will just make an assinine comment that will seem meaningless to you without the proper content.

Desperately looking for love and going for the next beautiful girl that will have you (which I have done many a times) is a horrible idea. I even spent an 18 months relationship that way just to seriously hurt that girl when I actually fell in love. Sure, we had a good time, I enjoyed her company, I treated her well. But in the end I actually treated her like crap. She was a decoy girlfriend for me. I was just being with her because there was no compelling reason not to. I seriously hope she never realised that after we broke up, because that is just a despicable way to treat a human being (in my defense: I didn't realise what I was doing back then).

Furthermore, life is fair. The girl I left her for left me after a year and utterly broke my heart, so I do know the feeling from the recipient's side.

It is easy for me to say, I had my first date 22 years ago. But my advice is: it will happen. Going out and making a point out of finding a mate? It never works. I believe I have had 2 "real" loves in my life. Both when I was not expecting it or looking for it (yes, the heartbreaker was one of them). Please do not feel pressured into anything. You do not have to have a mate. It is rare to find somebody you really are compatible with AND then for that to evolve into a relationship. And that might not even leave you in a better state, I can tell you.

But if you are young (just assuming) this issue is the biggest one there is and nobody can convince you otherwise (heck, I told my step-dad to go and F himself when I was 25 and had my first real heartbreak when he gave me the same speech). If you are getting older (like I am) it becomes just as imporatant again, so I believe I can relate :)

If you are a decent person, you will find somebody, eventually. It might not last, but what does? God, please excuse that ending.
 
Why do you need a girl to "love" you? What utility does it serve?

As sad as you are now just wait till things seem to start going well and she blue screens on you for no reason and never wants to speak to you again.
 
Wow man, you've dug yourself deep here mate. I too have had relationships with self harmers, a long term girlfriend would cut her wrists.. an a few years ago my best friend commited suicide.

With so many conflicting emotions (no offence) at your current age/ lack of RL experience etc i would strongly suggest putting yourself first. Argue with yourself:

YOU ARE NO GOOD TO THEM IF YOU ARE SAD YOURSELF.

You need to give yourself space to breath, to have a clear head an get away from those sleepless nights. The better you are in your own head, the more useful you can be to them.


As for direct help with the two girls ~ I couldnt possibly say, just try an be honest and hope they do the same. Accept as a truth tho there are many many MANY people in the world, and our lives change so much. You WILL look back on this and wonder what the fuss is all about.

Im 21, still got a lot of growing up to do myself, but i certainly know of the midteen ups and downs.

I hope this helps, if it isnt all obvious anyway..
 
you said that you have no empathy for people, I hate to second guess you but.....


if you didn't have empathy for people you wouldn't have went out of your way to stop her from cutting herself, you wouldn't feel as bad as you did and you wouldn't feel the need to continue to talk to her.

you empathize a great deal, almost to the point of it being self destructive but I can only take into consideration what I'm told, you know what to do, not me
 
Crap and I thought I was evil for wanting my friends girlfriend because she is a smart gal and all.
 
Well, after about four months of silence in this thread I decided to write what happened. It will be very short and undetailed - yet, if you by any chance are curious, please feel free to ask questions about the whole thing. I love talking about myself :p

First thing which comes to mind when thinking about what happened is probably: Who did I choose? Well, I met Simone the next day, and we watched American Gangster instead (The movie was sold out). She didn't like the movie and I saw it before, so we ended up talking in the cinema, which evolved over the evening. At the end of the night, we took home to my house and stayed up to 5 am, talking and cuddling. I fell in love. :)

I ended up being 'official' with Simone. We are still together right now, and I don't imagine it to end in the near future.

Regarding Katrine, I'm not in contact with her anymore. It's something that actually does not please me much, but I just accept the facts - they couldn't both have me as their lover, and I therefore had to choose the one which meant the most to me. The way Katrine and me cut the contact was severely unpleasant - I told her what was going on, and her hand began bleeding again. After a whole month without damaging herself, I couldn't stop her anymore.

She said to me directly what I found out some time before: she found out that she didn't love me. She hurt herself again because the last person trustable for her lied to her... I'm not even sure she's alive now.

But I won't take the responsibility. I just won't. I think it's some kind of reality escape I'm doing - just not thinking about the whole thing. I don't know if its a psychological thing or that I'm just over it.

Thank you all for your help :) It really, really helped me out that you posted in here. The fact that people agreed that it was serious stuff I was going through - at least at some level. I got through it a lot easier because of you all :)

The song I was listening to btw was this one. I really recommend Mew if you like indie rock - they are writing deep as well as fast-paced music. Right now I'm mostly listening to Sigur Ros.

Thanks, and feel free to ask questions and comment on the aftermath :)
 
I am glad you moved forewards out of that potentially difficult postition.

By being honest to Kat you have absolved any moral issues with her. She cut before, she cut after an may well carry on. With many it is not particularly dangerous, jsut a bit distrubing and something she will probably grow out of in the next few years. She will have been initally upset, but the honesty of the situation would have allowed her to get over it. (no offence ;))

Hope you an Simone continues well. All I can reccomend is being confident and tell her what you want. Girls are often do not want to risk doing something that might backfire, but are more than ready to do something you request (other than that :lol:). Im learning that only now at 21 with as many partners!


So as my dad said: Have fun, don't get addicted, an make sure you don't get anyone pregnant!
 
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