West is neglecting Ethiopia's hungry, 14 million face death

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ADDIS ABABA, May 31 — Live Aid founder Bob Geldof accused western donors on Saturday of ''criminal negligence'' in drought-afflicted Ethiopia, saying a lack of aid had already killed tens of thousands of people.


Aid agencies estimate 14 million Ethiopians are at risk of starvation after the worst drought in almost two decades. There is no official figure of how many people have already died from drought-related causes.
On the last day of a visit to the Horn of Africa country, Geldof said the situation in some areas was worse than he had witnessed in 1985, when famine in the region prompted him to organise the world's biggest rock concert to help the starving.
''It is criminal negligence that tens of thousands of Ethiopians have died due to lack of food during the current drought affecting the country,'' he told a news conference in the capital Addis Ababa.
''When millions died as a result of famine in 1985, the western world had said not again. But I came back 18 years later and I found the situation no different, it is in fact worse in some places.
''It is clear that the current drought situation in Ethiopia will develop into a famine unless enough assistance is provided,'' he said.
The Irish musician and activist praised the United States, which he said has provided around 60 percent of the 1.5 million tonnes required to feed more than 14 million drought-affected people.
He criticised the European Union (EU), saying its donation of about 28 percent of the aid needed was insufficient.
''Europe has got the food, if they are not capable of providing it to the needy in Ethiopia, give it to those who are capable so that the food can save lives,'' he said.
''Ethiopia is faced with a food crisis. If the EU and other donors fail to deliver the required food on time and death occurs as a result, do not say you are not warned.''


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What does this have to do with de European Union. I thought it was individual memberstates who helped with food aid. Mr. Geldorf is a known supporter of the British anti-EU movement. Don't believe what he says.
 
Originally posted by Dr. Dr. Doktor
What does this have to do with de European Union. I thought it was individual memberstates who helped with food aid. Mr. Geldorf is a known supporter of the British anti-EU movement. Don't believe what he says.

Uhm dont believe that 14 million face starvation?

I dont think this is some sort of "hate the EU" issue personally
 
they have faced starvation for 30 years, how about they stop having 10 kids per family and move out of the desert? or is that to easy, better to starve and ***** that its the rest of the worlds fault
 
Originally posted by rmsharpe


Ethiopia was Soviet-style communist. Try again.

Not sure, but I figured he was trying to say Ethiopia is a victim of the west's cold-hearted capitalism. Which would, of course, also be incorrect.
 
Ethiopia was one of only two states (other being Liberia, which ironically, had slavery even 50 years after the U.S. outlawed it) that was never annexed into European influence. I fail to see how this is the West's "fault" and how Europe and America are responsible for the mismanaged resources of Ethiopia.
 
Originally posted by pawpaw
they have faced starvation for 30 years, how about they stop having 10 kids per family and move out of the desert? or is that to easy, better to starve and ***** that its the rest of the worlds fault

or we could use the cash to

educate them

help them help themselves

allow them to trade without exploitation through unfair market conditions

.

Seems a popular view "they have to many kids let em starve"

quite an eye opener for me, to read human beings having these opinions :(
 
Since the article specifically pointed out the U.S. was not to blame I guess some people have to resort to other finger pointing. Like capitalism :D

They're a victim of rapid overpopulation more than anything. Over 7 children born per woman :eek: There is no country or economic system in the world that could sustain that for a long period of time. Third world economics are rarely impressive, or easily classified (usually something like a statist government where they can, and the freest free market where the government can't afford to go).

Back in 1985, emergency food aid was a short term solution that was just going to aggregate the problem in the future (giving the man the fish...). Here we go again. See you again in a decade.
 
Originally posted by ellie


Uhm dont believe that 14 million face starvation?

I dont think this is some sort of "hate the EU" issue personally

Didn't say that. It is quite possible that 14 million people are starving in Ethiopia. However it would be fair to say that maybe 1.000.000.000 people worldwide are suffering from hunger.

So why is mr. Geldorf pointing the finger at the EU on this one. Well as I said he is involved with some rightwing reactionaries in the UK who are deadset against joining the European economy because workers will then have to be treated like human beings. The strange thing is that he is Irish. Maybe he is getting back at the British who caused great famine while they occupied Ireland. Sort of a double agent you know.

However, the Ethiopians were a former Italian colony, not British. Since most African countries except Zimbabwe and South Africa are in effect still colonies to their former masters, it would be kind of silly should any British politician critizise the regime in, say Kenya whichy is now a destitute place under an iron fist.

A much more interesting question is why the French de facto colonies are so much more clean, orderly and generally pleasant compared to the rundown and dirty English ones were armed hoodlumms roam the streets. I have this from good authority since I have family in the merchant marine.
 
seems to me we HAVE been helping them for 30 years, to bad they don't want to help themselves. time to stop sitting there waiting for someone else to deliver a miricle
 
Originally posted by Dr. Dr. Doktor
So why is mr. Geldorf pointing the finger at the EU on this one. Well as I said he is involved with some rightwing reactionaries in the UK who are deadset against joining the European economy because workers will then have to be treated like human beings. The strange thing is that he is Irish. Maybe he is getting back at the British who caused great famine while they occupied Ireland. Sort of a double agent you know.
Couldn't be they're not pulling their weight, right?

Its 'cause he's an Irish double agent! That makes more sense :yeah:

Originally posted by Dr. Dr. Doktor
However, the Ethiopians were a former Italian colony, not British. Since most African countries except Zimbabwe and South Africa are in effect still colonies to their former masters, it would be kind of silly should any British politician critizise the regime in, say Kenya whichy is now a destitute place under an iron fist.
All European countries, which is where the finger was. But, specifically, diving Africa based on colonial position was a decision made at a table that included all European powers. If not Italy, then Germany, France, Great Britian...

Originally posted by Dr. Dr. Doktor
A much more interesting question is why the French de facto colonies are so much more clean, orderly and generally pleasant compared to the rundown and dirty English ones were armed hoodlumms roam the streets.
Like Sierra Leone, Ivoery Coast...?
I'd guess half the reason is that France had the decency to chop its colonies up into smaller units so its less likely to contain tribal units which all believe they should rule over their neighbors because thats where some guy in Germany 125 years ago drew the lines.
 
To Graedius. I forgot to say that Angola which is an American colony is one of the better places. Happy?
 
We need to help develop their economy, so that they in time can look after themselves. Not that I'm saying that we should stop sending food, but rather than merely sending food we should send engineers and such to modernize the country so that in time they can help themselves.
 
Originally posted by pawpaw
they have faced starvation for 30 years, how about they stop having 10 kids per family and move out of the desert? or is that to easy, better to starve and ***** that its the rest of the worlds fault
One of the paradoxes of life is that war and famine cause population explosions, for precisely this reason. Ignoring any physiochemical effects hardship has on libido, the female of any mammalian species, including ours, is much more likely to conceive during times of hardship, other effects being equal. One must be prosperous to have a low conception rate.

J
 
Originally posted by onejayhawk
One of the paradoxes of life is that war and famine cause population explosions, for precisely this reason. Ignoring any physiochemical effects hardship has on libido, the female of any mammalian species, including ours, is much more likely to conceive during times of hardship, other effects being equal. One must be prosperous to have a low conception rate.

J

Actually I believe the main reason is that there aren't any bank savings or social security in theser places. People know that their only chance to live when they're incapable of working or can't work as much as needed is to have kids to look after you.
 
Originally posted by Håkan Eriksson
That's what capitalism does to the world.

What a foolish remark! Please put some sense in your posts. Explain why you think capitalism is to blame!

The one and only way to help countries with food problems is to teach them how to be self supporting. Only in case of exceptional nutural dramas food and medicine should be flown in.

Simply sending food every once in a while may seem to be a great aid, but in the end it causes even more misery. I know that sounds very very cynical, but feeding people will only cause reproduction. Thus we come to this idiot conclusion:

Providing food will cause hunger and misery!
 
actually i think it is capitalism that will help the people out by providing money and food to help them.
 
I hate it when people use words like "criminal negligence". The west is not responsible for the drought, we don't control the weather. We do not have a legal obligation to help them. If we do help them then we should not be attacked for not helping them enough. They should be grateful for any help they recieve. I know that sounds kind of cold-hearted since they dying in their millions but it is true. You don't get people to help you by attacking them. You show people what is wrong and what should be done and hope they make the right decision.
 
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