What are your thoughts on BitCoin?

Lol, you are aware it's been voilatile for years now and every time there's a major up & down like this the chicken littles say the end is near (and never seem to tire of being wrong), they're like a woman who keeps saying "I'm almost there" , God I know it'll feel good to you guys when it finally crashes but I wouldn't hold your breath

As was pointed out above, if you aren't one of the people who knows why it's so volatile, you'll be one of the ones who ends up holding the bag.

But whatever man, it's your greed, feed it however makes you happy I guess.
 
Lol @ greed, all investing is greed dude, you want free money so you gamble.

Yeah, no. Investing for long-term security and comfort in retirement is pretty much the opposite of "greed."

Compulsively buying and selling BitCoin in a period of volatility however . . . ?
 
As long as it is spare money. For many people, the stock market feels like a roulette wheel anyway. The biggest question I'm having right now, are people able to actually pull their money out. Like, get actual hard currency in a legitimate Bank after they sell their Bitcoin. I was wrong about the value that it would reach in the short-term. It's insane the levels that can be reached once a bubble starts being generated by speculators. My rule of thumb is always to get out once lay people start getting in, I tend to be a conservative investor
 
I've listened to a few podcasts of Bitcoin enthusiasts, and the narrative they seems to be pushing is that Bitcoin, or some other cryptocurrencies, will in Time perhaps replace "regular" money. They think that since Bitcoin can't be regulated as easily with peer-to-peer money transfers instead of the Bank as a middle man, it will in Time reduce the corrupt practices of Banks, since they are no longer needed. Then add to that some general antipathy to state Power and distrust in central banking. Anyway, the general story is that in Time Bitcoin will make the World a better place by making Corporate and stately greed and mishandling of the publick harder. A lovely Picture, for sure.
But. If cryptocurrencies are to be considered ok to Create, what is to Stop Just those Evil corps in the previous narrative from creating their own monies. Then the whole World is suddenly in the situation where there are numerous World Wide currencies. If I remember correctly, the US had an analogous situation at the turn of the 19th and 20th centuries, where banks were allowed to print their own currencies, and that lead in Time Into creation of central banking in the US, because all these currencies had widely fluctuating rates. Then printing money was banned. Sure, as it is today, regular Banks Create money, but it is a different thing to Create money in the lending process, than to Create whole currencies.
I think these techies that think Bitcoin is a good thing for the World are a bit too optimistic. Like with the creation of Social Media. In the end, the established moneylenders will rule the cryptoworld too, with their own currencies and speculation in the free cryptocurrencies. Regular people will, I think, rather use the money of their old Bank than buy some techie paradise money.
Or this really is a revolution in banking. I Just can't see it. I don't think cryptocurrencies will end well for the rest of us.
 
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All that decentralized unregulated technology stuff is pretty much garbage. Its more or less a speculative commodity right now, alhough one with an upward trend for the next couple of years, that much I'm certain of.
 
As long as it is spare money. For many people, the stock market feels like a roulette wheel anyway. The biggest question I'm having right now, are people able to actually pull their money out. Like, get actual hard currency in a legitimate Bank after they sell their Bitcoin. I was wrong about the value that it would reach in the short-term. It's insane the levels that can be reached once a bubble starts being generated by speculators. My rule of thumb is always to get out once lay people start getting in, I tend to be a conservative investor

Sure you can get hard currency in a legitimate bank after selling bitcoin. Tested it, local bank warned me though that crypto profits in excess of 100k will need to be explained, if they happen. Although they weren't specific as to how. Anything below that likely won't raise attention. Junior bank manager then added that EU currently considers crypto a grey zone, there is little legislation yet, but central institutions are asking banks to warn clients willing to gamble with crypto, that it "can be dangerous".

As for the bubble part, a number of things amplified it - abundance of smartfones, the ease with which one can get info across the internet nowadays into well developed loudspeakers and lastly, accessibility for people with minimal tech savvyness. You can open an account and trade on the exchange in minutes, getting professional info (that used to cost money and headaches on classic exchanges) for free. That one surely impressed me. Creating a wallet in one minute, then deposit few cryptocents to a friend in the room, phone to phone (camera to QR) - impressed few people I've met. It's fun and easy, it erases unnecessary barriers, which were there for too long - that's also why it went viral.

If you do some research you will notice, most top altcoin websites are of the highest grade, there might be little substance there yet, true, but cryptospace as a whole is certainly one of the coolest collections of websites I've seen.

Check this out, for example: https://iota.org/
 
You can't possibly use something as a medium of exchange if its value is going to fluctuate wildly from week to week, or even month to month. The potential cost of spending it is going to far outweigh the value of what you spend it on. And if you take measures to stabilize it, you're just going to turn it into another fiat currency.

Without the full faith and credit and central banking institutions that back fiat currency, there is nothing beyond capricious shutting down of exchanges to stabilize the value of cryptos, and that only works in the very short term. That is an enormous barrier to Bitcoin ever being a viable currency. People who try to argue this as the wave of the future don't have a clue as to how and why money works.
 
It's gonna be so much fun making money on the next bubble like in 2028.

I never thought after the dotcom and housing busts even cfcers would get into bubble time investing on gut feeling of prices.

I feel like there's a rideable wave.
 
The ultimate bubble.

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When people say "bubble" what they're really saying is "I'm scared". It's ok, we'll all scared. A better term would be wave (as Hygro suggests). Surfers are people who can ride waves & look cool doing it. Bubble-talkers are those on the beach getting sunburned on their beer bellies hoping to see a surfer get eaten by a shark.
 
It's gonna be so much fun making money on the next bubble like in 2028.

I never thought after the dotcom and housing busts even cfcers would get into bubble time investing on gut feeling of prices.

I feel like there's a rideable wave.
Dunning-Kreuger is alive and well.
 
I've listened to a few podcasts of Bitcoin enthusiasts, and the narrative they seems to be pushing is that Bitcoin, or some other cryptocurrencies, will in Time perhaps replace "regular" money. They think that since Bitcoin can't be regulated as easily with peer-to-peer money transfers instead of the Bank as a middle man, it will in Time reduce the corrupt practices of Banks, since they are no longer needed.

Decentralization has costs. Instead of checking every transaction once, each node in the system needs to perform its own check and repeats the checks by all other nodes in the process. This means that the ideal centralized payment system will be faster cheaper than the ideal decentralized one. There is much value in having a trusted central institution processing the payments. So even if some cryptocurrency suitable as payment method was developed, there would still be demand for banks or similar institutions, because they could perform the same thing cheaper.
 
The day the real economy does its "margin call" on loans, these bubbles collapse. Until that day, yes they can continue. I decried here the madness of RE prices since what, 2004...
Anyway, not everybody plays this "investment"/greed/greater fool game. Some (many?) are opposed to it on principle. And indeed we do feel some schadenfreude when it blows. Though it seems that I can't even justify that with the hope that people will learn from a mistake that burned them...
 
Interesting article on the limitation of blockchain, especially when applied to currency.

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The government-backed banking system provides FDIC guarantees, reversibility of ACH, identity verification, audit standards, and an investigation system when things go wrong. Bitcoin, by design, has none of these things.
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In the end, the advantages of the existing human and software systems surrounding transactions — from verifying identity with a driver’s license to calling and clarifying the statements made in a credit disputed transaction to automatically billing your credit card for a newspaper subscription — outweigh the purported benefits, as well as hidden costs, of irrevocable, automated execution. Blockchain enthusiasts often act as if the hard part is getting money from A to B or keeping a record of what happened. In each case, moving money and recording the transaction is actually the cheap, easy, highly-automated part of a much more complex system.
Which leaves us where we started — currency speculation and illegal transactions — along with perhaps a lesson. In conversations with bitcoin entrepreneurs and investors and consultants, there was often a lack of knowledge or even interest in how the jobs were being done today or what the value to the end user was. With all the money spent on bitcoin cash registers, nobody went out and did a survey about whether most credit card users would be willing to give up their frequent flyer miles in return for also losing the ability to dispute a transaction. Presumably, they thought, the reason IPOs are so expensive or venture fund formation paperwork is so onerous is because all those lawyers and accountants are just getting rich sitting around pushing paper… a bunch of smart engineers in their 20s with no industry experience could certainly do their jobs, automatically, in a matter of months, with just a few million bucks of venture capital.
https://hackernoon.com/ten-years-in-nobody-has-come-up-with-a-use-case-for-blockchain-ee98c180100
 
Good points. It's like electronic voting. A technically fancy solution proposing to solve problems that do not exist, and that instead creates new problems of security, acceptance and reliability. The "old" technologies have evolved over hundreds of years, gradually, and are indeed superior for the requirements of recording transactions and solving disputes. No "revolution" is necessary.

Signing of transactions, and chaining of translations, is not anything new btw. The term to describe was shortened to "blockchain" and sold as a "cure for everything" because there is a fad to make money with.
 
Signing of transactions, and chaining of translations, is not anything new btw. The term to describe was shortened to "blockchain" and sold as a "cure for everything" because there is a fad to make money with.

And whenever you point this out, people (who are heavily invested in Bitcoin) will just complain about how you "don't understand," even though for the most part they haven't a clue about any of the technology or how it operates.

It's like people who bought houses in early 2007. If you told them that the growth in the market was unsustainable, they tried to explain to you how "housing always goes up," and "this is bulletproof," and "you just don't understand how the market works!" It's the same story, over and over again.
 
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