cegman
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That was a great reply. I almost fell out of my chair. Well you know better than I do. My personal experiences are nothing compared to yours 
What did I just read? Ayn Rand's Philosophy.
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That was a great reply. I almost fell out of my chair. Well you know better than I do. My personal experiences are nothing compared to yours 
How can you know who understands Rand's philosophy?
It's well-known among Objectivists that the philosophy is not understood very well by people who criticise it. My own experience has confirmed this 100% of the time.
So explain it then. Nearly all I see is Objectivists making up a fake worldview and then attacking anyone who doesn't agree with them.
How much of this thread consists of Objectivists attacking others, compared to others attacking Objectivism?
You ask me to explain it - impossible really. You might as well ask me to explain mathematics. Either a person is willing to learn something and perform the effort involved, or else they must content themselves to remain ignorant on that particular subject and put their knowledge into something else.
holy king
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ayn rand seems to be an anglo-specific cultural phenomenon.
i, although familiar with this culture, dont get it one bit.
apparantly it has something to do with selfish teenagers (and what teenager isnt the center of the world?) picking up a novel about trains and subsequently becoming fanboys and girls of it, and, and this is the strange part, kind of form their political opinion around the worldview of this novel's protagonists.
i mean over here teenagers pick up novels and become fanboys as well, but the difference is they dont mimic the political views of aragorn.
i, although familiar with this culture, dont get it one bit.
apparantly it has something to do with selfish teenagers (and what teenager isnt the center of the world?) picking up a novel about trains and subsequently becoming fanboys and girls of it, and, and this is the strange part, kind of form their political opinion around the worldview of this novel's protagonists.
i mean over here teenagers pick up novels and become fanboys as well, but the difference is they dont mimic the political views of aragorn.
It's possible to learn sensible things as an adolescent - such as maths, physics, objectivism. Then one grows up, becomes a mathematician, say, or a scientist or a businessperson - thus putting those earlier beliefs and knowledge into practise.
Not all of us feel so ambivalent about our teenage selves - perhaps because different people develop the capacity for good judgement at different ages. Don't project your own failings or psychology onto others - you will just make assumptions and sound subjective.
Judging from your ill-fated attempts to explain it in the Objectivism thread a while back, you don't understand it yourself, so I don't put very much value into your judgement.
holy king
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i never contradicted this.
objectivism is not really a sensible thing, it's a crackpot political philosophy a handful of american teenagers adopt from time to time.
You won't profit from this line of argument. The teenage years are formative in many people - which is probably why America's business leaders and leading CEO's repeatedly state that Ayn Rand is their single greatest influence after the Bible.
You are making the mistake of thinking that because you were reading trivia as a teenager, that therefore others were not engaged in serious reading. It's a fact proven in many surveys that large numbers of American business leaders read Ayn Rand as teenagers or young adults.
Thus, your attempt/need to make yourself feel big/clever by knocking the reading habits of teenagers, simply doesn't work. It only exposes a psychological complex that is unique to you and others like you who had certain properties as adolescents.
Leoreth said:
It's not just my judgement, it is one common to Objectivists.
holy king
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i read marx as a teenager. which is actual political philosophy, not a novel about trains.
I've read both Marx and Rand - shame on you for not being open-minded enough to compare the merits of both.
Again, I don't think you even understand Objectivism, so what does it matter?
"You are just too incompetent to really understand us" is just typical for the elitist attitude of the average Objectivist.
Murky
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Objectivism is a morally bankrupt philosophy that has no chance of being realized in the modern world. It would never succeed in a real world setting. It's only possible in Rand's fantasy world.
It didn't work in Rand's fantasy World either, so spare us your redundant insights.
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What if I restrict myself to criticising her essays for failing to demonstrate any historical understanding of the 'proofs' she uses to back up her points?
I mean, nobody could look at the building of the Transcontinental Railroad and come away with the opinion of "My, look at how good capitalism is!"
You've got the right idea I think. At least you are trying to take something in reality that is fact-based and connect it to something Ayn Rand actually said. But you may be disappointed to find that Objectivists are more self-critical and analytical than you think.
Angst
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Any understanding of epistemology. Any understanding of economy. Any understanding of the humanities. Any understanding of business and artisanship.
