Pyrite
Emperor
That sounds pretty tight, I wouldn't mind doing something like that. But.....aren't buffalo like, endangered or something?
What do you think of the PETA?
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They were. So, we had protective areas for them.
When they got too numerous for the protective ranges, we started breeding them on farms. While there is a limited genepool for the farmed buffalo, it is a place where the extra buffalo can be stored and bred.
When they got too numerous for the protective ranges, we started breeding them on farms. While there is a limited genepool for the farmed buffalo, it is a place where the extra buffalo can be stored and bred.
Narz
keeping it real
Yeah, when I was a meateater I used to eat organic buffalo also. I still buy it sometimes as a treat for my cats.
Are there any less antagonistic mainstream vegetarian groups out there?
Hmm, maybe these girls would be more persuasive...
VeganVixen.org
Are there any less antagonistic mainstream vegetarian groups out there?
Hmm, maybe these girls would be more persuasive...
VeganVixen.org
Pyrite
Emperor
Are there any less antagonistic mainstream vegetarian groups out there?
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Neonanocyborgasm
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Pyrite said:
I'm opposed to wearing of animal skin but only for those animals that are endangered, for the sake of the environment. And you project too much humanity onto a beast that has none. Domestic animals that are destined to be eaten are just that -- animals. Whether they were raised in open pastures, or in a cage, they're still prisoners of man. Just because you think it's torture doesn't mean everyone has to abide by your sense of animal righteousness. They'll still end up getting killed before their time. Also, the reason that these farms exist is for economy. See how much you like it when food costs several times its current price because Farmer Bob can't produce as much of it. When it comes to survival of a species, I'll pick human over animal any day.
Pyrite
Emperor
"I'm opposed to wearing of animal skin but only for those animals that are endangered, for the sake of the environment."
Cool!
"And you project too much humanity onto a beast that has none."
I'm not projecting humanity. I'm saying that animals feel pain and I do not like to cause pain to a feeling, thinking creature when I have an alternative ie. soy.
"Domestic animals that are destined to be eaten are just that -- animals. "
No surprises here.
"Whether they were raised in open pastures, or in a cage, they're still prisoners of man. "
A pasture seems to me a better cage then a...cage. I'd like the creature I share a symbiotic relation ship with to experience a positive life.
"Just because you think it's torture doesn't mean everyone has to abide by your sense of animal righteousness."
Wha? I don't remember telling you what to do. I think you're confusing me with PETA. I respect your right to eat meat, I have friends that eat meat. But I also recognize that I have the option of not economically supporting a practice I find abhorrent. I don't see where you're disagreement with me comes from....or my "animal righteousness, which I'm inclined to believe doesn't really exist, since I didn't make any points about my moral superiority.
"They'll still end up getting killed before their time."
While I don't think the notion of "their time" has anything to do with the argument, I'd still like lives lead with the least amount of undue suffering required.
"Also, the reason that these farms exist is for economy."
Obviously.
"See how much you like it when food costs several times its current price because Farmer Bob can't produce as much of it. When it comes to survival of a species, I'll pick human over animal any day"
It's not about survival of the species at all however. I haven't eaten meat in two years, and I'm still alive. If farmer Bob can't produce as much, then, people simply wouldn't eat as much meat, they'd eat viable alternatives (which definitly exist.) However, I'm not arguing for the entire world's conversion to veganism (although I'm certainly not opposed to it.) I'm arguing that no one has to eat meat on the basis of survival. If you think little enough of animals of another species that you can devour them notwithstanding what they endure to provide you with good tasting protein, then honestly, that's your perogative, your lifestyle and your decision. I'd just rather not support a system built on suffering, and..I don't have to.
Cool!
"And you project too much humanity onto a beast that has none."
I'm not projecting humanity. I'm saying that animals feel pain and I do not like to cause pain to a feeling, thinking creature when I have an alternative ie. soy.
"Domestic animals that are destined to be eaten are just that -- animals. "
No surprises here.
"Whether they were raised in open pastures, or in a cage, they're still prisoners of man. "
A pasture seems to me a better cage then a...cage. I'd like the creature I share a symbiotic relation ship with to experience a positive life.
"Just because you think it's torture doesn't mean everyone has to abide by your sense of animal righteousness."
Wha? I don't remember telling you what to do. I think you're confusing me with PETA. I respect your right to eat meat, I have friends that eat meat. But I also recognize that I have the option of not economically supporting a practice I find abhorrent. I don't see where you're disagreement with me comes from....or my "animal righteousness, which I'm inclined to believe doesn't really exist, since I didn't make any points about my moral superiority.
"They'll still end up getting killed before their time."
While I don't think the notion of "their time" has anything to do with the argument, I'd still like lives lead with the least amount of undue suffering required.
"Also, the reason that these farms exist is for economy."
Obviously.
"See how much you like it when food costs several times its current price because Farmer Bob can't produce as much of it. When it comes to survival of a species, I'll pick human over animal any day"
It's not about survival of the species at all however. I haven't eaten meat in two years, and I'm still alive. If farmer Bob can't produce as much, then, people simply wouldn't eat as much meat, they'd eat viable alternatives (which definitly exist.) However, I'm not arguing for the entire world's conversion to veganism (although I'm certainly not opposed to it.) I'm arguing that no one has to eat meat on the basis of survival. If you think little enough of animals of another species that you can devour them notwithstanding what they endure to provide you with good tasting protein, then honestly, that's your perogative, your lifestyle and your decision. I'd just rather not support a system built on suffering, and..I don't have to.
Xanikk999
History junkie
Il just say this to be unpopular but..
I am not opposed to wearing animal skins or fur as long as we dont do it to the extreme.
Meaning we dont overhunt or hunt to extinction species for thier skin or fur.
Besides fur is so soft and meat is so tasty? How can you not love to eat animals or wear fur?
And can you honestly be opposed to LEATHER OR WOOL?
Remember LEATHER comes from cows!
I am not opposed to wearing animal skins or fur as long as we dont do it to the extreme.
Meaning we dont overhunt or hunt to extinction species for thier skin or fur.
Besides fur is so soft and meat is so tasty? How can you not love to eat animals or wear fur?
And can you honestly be opposed to LEATHER OR WOOL?
Remember LEATHER comes from cows!
Abaddon
Deity
Narz said:Yeah, when I was a meateater I used to eat organic buffalo also. I still buy it sometimes as a treat for my cats.
Are there any less antagonistic mainstream vegetarian groups out there?
Hmm, maybe these girls would be more persuasive...
VeganVixen.org
As of today im vegan!
Abaddon
Deity
Xanikk999 said:
Why not, the animal does have to suffer for it. Why should be condone suffering when we dont need it?
I tend towards being a vegetarian due to ecological and economic reasons. I feel that our current industrial meat farming is not sustainable, and therefore is not conducive to my long-term plans.
Pyrite
Emperor
"I am not opposed to wearing animal skins or fur as long as we dont do it to the extreme."
I know what you mean, but once again, alternatives exist in our modern society. I have a fake leather jacket, and I'd honestly hate not to have it (being a punk, it's just standard comgear no?) but since I have the alternative, I employ it. *most fakes are generally as warm, durable and reliable as real, and they usually cost less since bougies like the legit deal. Oh well.
"Besides fur is so soft and meat is so tasty? How can you not love to eat animals or wear fur?" I love eating animals, they're delicious, but I think my enjoyment of a meal is not comparable to the freedom from undue suffering that it perhaps brings about. And fur, I don't know, never was a big fan. But there's fakes of that too haha.
"And can you honestly be opposed to LEATHER OR WOOL?"
yep.
"Remember LEATHER comes from cows!"
Well, it's not like i eat beaf, so why would i wear beefskin?
I know what you mean, but once again, alternatives exist in our modern society. I have a fake leather jacket, and I'd honestly hate not to have it (being a punk, it's just standard comgear no?) but since I have the alternative, I employ it. *most fakes are generally as warm, durable and reliable as real, and they usually cost less since bougies like the legit deal. Oh well.
"Besides fur is so soft and meat is so tasty? How can you not love to eat animals or wear fur?" I love eating animals, they're delicious, but I think my enjoyment of a meal is not comparable to the freedom from undue suffering that it perhaps brings about. And fur, I don't know, never was a big fan. But there's fakes of that too haha.
"And can you honestly be opposed to LEATHER OR WOOL?"
yep.
"Remember LEATHER comes from cows!"
Well, it's not like i eat beaf, so why would i wear beefskin?
Xanikk999
History junkie
Pyrite said:
My point is if you eat the cow. Why not use the skin also?
And since you do like meat this argument applies.
And even if you dont. The cows are being slaughtered anyway so its better to not waste the product if you really want to use it.
I don't think leather comes from beef cows ... but I don't really know.
Abaddon
Deity
leather is generally a by-product. But i doubt you get many people opposed to leather, and not meat eating!
Pyrite
Emperor
"My point is if you eat the cow. Why not use the skin also?
And since you do like meat this argument applies.
And even if you dont. The cows are being slaughtered anyway so its better to not waste the product if you really want to use it."
I like meat, but I don't eat it, so no, it doesn't really apply. Since I don't want the cows being slaughtered in the first place, why would I support leather? I guess not "wasting" the skin is a fairly valid argument from cows already slaughtered, but since I do not support the industry in ANY aspect, I don't see how it applies really.
And since you do like meat this argument applies.
And even if you dont. The cows are being slaughtered anyway so its better to not waste the product if you really want to use it."
I like meat, but I don't eat it, so no, it doesn't really apply. Since I don't want the cows being slaughtered in the first place, why would I support leather? I guess not "wasting" the skin is a fairly valid argument from cows already slaughtered, but since I do not support the industry in ANY aspect, I don't see how it applies really.
Abaddon
Deity
who eats the cow and doesnt use the skin ???
