What does CFC recognize you for?
- Thread starter MjM
- Start date
aelf
Ashen One
Hey, I was going by what you said. Actually, I don't know if it's the case here, though it's not hard for me to imagine how people's experiences in the work place can shape their expectations of social relationships and how people should behave, and for that to be manifested in this forum.
Brighteye: needs to post/lurk moar.
He fought for Germany, his homeland. When you disagree with the direction your country is heading, you don't align yourself directly opposed to it. A lot of people around here believe that the Iraq and Afghanistan wars are unjustified, even wrong. Should members of the United States Armed Forces start rebelling and trying to cause a coup?
Rommel was totally anti-Nazi because he was not a member of the Nazi party. He routinely ignored orders from Hitler in regards to executing undesirables such as POWs, jews, ethnic minorities, and so on. When he found out about the plan to execute Hitler, he didn't do anything about it, and let it carry out - this was eventually found out and he had to commit suicide to protect his family.
Afrikakorps engaged in a "Krieg Ohne Hass" (War Without Hate) with their British counterparts. Better that he led the armies rather than a Nazi.
It's not known how much knowledge he had in regards to the Nazi's more heinous atrocities. Hitler had indeed sent out orders to Rommel in regards to rounding up certain ethnic groups, which Rommel promptly ignored. However, Rommel was exiled from the main circle of generals in Germany much earlier.
The reason Rommel led the Afrikakorps was because he butted heads with Hitler too much, refusing to undertake the more morally abhorrent orders given out (execute British paratroopers on sight). So I doubt that Rommel had too much knowledge on every non-military Nazi operation (like certain "camps").
In his position, any good person would have done exactly as he would have. You don't just abandon your country.
When I will join the Canadian reserves, if I ever get mobilized, I will not be fighting for the Conservative Party of Canada. I will be fighting for Canada, my homeland, and all of my fellow citizens and loved ones.
Thoughtful Thug
Deity
I am not an iconophile, especially on WWII generals. I have to say that romanticizing an individual of his degree, will only result in your own form of blind patriotism while sheepishly declaring no political affiliation.
I'm not actually that into "romanticizing" the individual. More the idea of this individual, and Rommel as proof that it is real.
The idea that there are good men even on the other side of the fence. Even in a war.
In our black & white world, it is difficult to consider "us" as anything but the good guys, and "them" as anything but the bad guys. Perfect example is how everyone assumes Rommel = bad or Rommel = Nazi.
It's not possible for a WWII German General to do the good thing. It is not possible for a German soldier to have a family and loved ones, doing his duty for country, instead of for hatred. No, everything is black and white, and if we are at war with them, they are all bad people.
GhostWriter16
Deity
I disagree that that is always the case. I agree that SOME good people would do as he did. Others would not. Speaking for me personally, I would have abandoned Germany at that point.
Thoughtful Thug
Deity
I totally agree with you that painting two belligerents as black and white is unrealistic, and far from the truth.
If anything, the avatar of yours can be an excellent troll-bait, or a moron-bait. Whether if it is intentional or not.
Well, yes, I guess my statement is a bit too absolute, but the sentiment remains.
I totally agree with you that painting two belligerents as black and white is unrealistic, and far from the truth.
If anything, the avatar of yours can be an excellent troll-bait, or a moron-bait. Whether if it is intentional or not.
My backing for the avatar has always been that anyone uneducated enough to consider me a Nazi because of it, has opinions not worth much or is a person I'm not interested in talking to (or even being taken seriously by).
But seeing the sheer number of people who believe so, including Mise, whose opinion I respect, has made me reconsider these views. I'm not going to change my avatar, because I still want to place my anti-black&white as the forefront of my persona here. But maybe a "disclaimer" for a bit of time will do the trick.
Thoughtful Thug
Deity
I think that may be a little too harsh, and downright snobbery if you think about it. I think you do well by arguments in convincing others what they perceive is erroneous on their part. Of course it will only increase the labor of always explaining why you have this avatar whenever a new member arrive in here.
This is true, but I am too much of a polite gentleman in real life. Heck, I even explained reasonably to a passing proselytizing Mormon my agnostic views and beliefs in a very respectful way, instead of telling her that I worship Satan and that she is aligning her soul with pure evil. I need some outlet for all my snobbery!
The only issue is that a lot of people have this habit of ignoring things, rather than taking in different views or ideas. Even when you engage in a discourse, it's still very difficult. So a lot of people probably just think Rommel -> Nazi -> ignore the posts, but again, like I said, they're not worth reading my posts then
I have never been annoyed by Mormons to the extent that I felt like being rude to them - even when my Mormon sociology instructor in college broke college rules by proselytizing. I could have gotten him in one heckuva lot of trouble, but I understood that he was genuinely concerned about my score in a religion survey we'd done earlier that week in class - my score was so low, it was negative and he thought The Book of Mormon and some discussion time in his office would help. So I thanked him and said I'd think about it but my first priority was my homework.This is true, but I am too much of a polite gentleman in real life. Heck, I even explained reasonably to a passing proselytizing Mormon my agnostic views and beliefs in a very respectful way, instead of telling her that I worship Satan and that she is aligning her soul with pure evil. I need some outlet for all my snobbery!
The only issue is that a lot of people have this habit of ignoring things, rather than taking in different views or ideas. Even when you engage in a discourse, it's still very difficult. So a lot of people probably just think Rommel -> Nazi -> ignore the posts, but again, like I said, they're not worth reading my posts then
If you feel so strongly about your avatar, you have a golden opportunity to educate people about Rommel. If you put a condensed explanation in your sig or a link to a reputable website, that would serve as an explanation and save you from having to have many separate conversations.
SuperBeaverInc.
Groucho
I approve of this post
Heretic_Cata
We're gonna live forever
This might be why i'm in love with both of you.
NickyJ
Retired Narrator
Same here, and they've come to my door being rather pushy about the matter. Fortunately, I had a dog who had a fierce sounding bark during one of the visits, so that one went quickly.
Also, if they're still pushy, tell them your Catholic. It makes them avoid you like the plague. 
Also, if they're still pushy, tell them your Catholic. It makes them avoid you like the plague.
Who, Mormons?
NickyJ
Retired Narrator
Hmm, maybe I'm thinking of Jehovah's Witnesses... (I know, I should be able to remember.)
Over here Rommel's remembered both as an excellent officer and a true gentleman. It was under his command that the North African War took tea breaks, and when Hitler sent him an order to execute any British Commando - meaning a paratrooper, marine or one of the new SAS - that he took prisoner, Rommel pretended he hadn't heard and instructed his subordinates to do the same.
Lighthearter
President of the United States
I like to think that CFC recognizes me for inventing War Room and Action Chatrooms and bringing Realpolitik from the Paradox forums. Plus, there's the books I've been writing, and my . . . usually nonaggressive liberal beliefs. Then again, I'm not the best judge
So, CFC, what do YOU notice me for?
Come on, don't be shy!
This is gonna suck. 
-L
So, CFC, what do YOU notice me for?
Come on, don't be shy! This is gonna suck. -L
Boundless
Deity
IMO you are not a regular til you hit 2k posts at least...
Less than 1k posts a year and you won't make enough of an impression on CFC.