[RD] What does free speech mean?

[Cloud_Strife]

Except when it comes to advocating and expressing bigotry, then you can do whatever you like provided your own fist or foot doesn't land on flesh.

I mean it's mealy mouthed and a double standard.

I would no more accept a bigotry espousing their views then i would accept a pedophile advocating that children should have sex with adults.

Both views are disgusting and lead to suffering.

 

[Zardnaar]

Glad to know you think Hitler's viewpoint is a political ideology worthy of defense right up with the rest. Slavery is an ideology too, political even that's what the South fought for, so good to know you support its advocacy as well.

Not what I said at all. Slavery is also expressly forbidden by the constitution.

You can however say you like it. You're a jackass but it's up to you.

 

[Dekker]

Free speech doesn't apply to them, stupid people take it to literally. It's not do whatever you like. The constitution doesn't cover their rights and in NZ the human rights act doesn't either.

The human rights act dies cover political views. It means you can fire a fascist four being a fascist, if they express those views in the workplace though they can be fired.

Well you could fire them anyway, you might have to pay them out just like if you fired someone for being black, women, liberal etc.

How does free speech not cover pedos but cover Nazis? Where people have sympathies is where they tend to defend.

 

[Zardnaar]

Except when it comes to advocating and expressing bigotry, then you can do whatever you like provided your own fist or foot doesn't land on flesh.

I mean it's mealy mouthed and a double standard.

I would no more accept a bigotry espousing their views then i would accept a pedophile advocating that children should have sex with adults.

Both views are disgusting and lead to suffering.

And you're fully entitled to that opinion and are allowed to express it. If you're offended tough luck.

 

[Dekker]

Not what I said at all. Slavery is also expressly forbidden by the constitution.

You can however say you like it. You're a jackass but it's up to you.

Resorting to insults when you realize your arguments behold no water eh?

 

[Cloud_Strife]

How does free speech not cover pedos but cover Nazis? Where people have sympathies is where they tend to defend.

Pedophiles target non-minorities.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

And you're fully entitled to that opinion and are allowed to express it. If you're offended tough luck.

I'm pointing out that you are against pedophila being advocated yet you curiously hold a different view for bigotry, even though both have been shown to cause others harm.

I don't think there is a good reason not to be against both.

 

[Zardnaar]

How does free speech not cover pedos but cover Nazis? Where people have sympathies is where they tend to defend.

Because pedos aren't covered by the intention of the US constitution. You're making a false equivalency arguement.

Even then you can advocate for lowering the age of consent. I'm not going any further in that regard.

 

[Dekker]

Not what I said at all. Slavery is also expressly forbidden by the constitution.

You can however say you like it. You're a jackass but it's up to you.

The Constitution doesn't say Pedos don't get free speech and Nazis get a pass. Weird selective use of the constitution, especially when attempting to argue the idea in general not just US specific.

 

[Dekker]

Because pedos aren't covered by the intention of the US constitution. You're making a false equivalency arguement.

Even then you can advocate for lowering the age of consent. I'm not going any further in that regard.

And Nazis are?

All men are created equal, except the Jews, they must be exterminated.

Glad the Constitution cleared that up.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Because pedos aren't covered by the intention of the US constitution. You're making a false equivalency arguement.

It's not a false quivalency; both are harmful, both target groups that have comparatively little power; children and minorities, both are abhorrent to tolerate and are demonstrably harmful, proven to damage people both physically, emotionally and mentally through the respective fields of medicine and psychology, both are preventable by being vigilent but only one of those you want to actively prevent.

The prevention of both should be a top priority for you, not just children. Bigotry harms EVERYONE in society, not just the intended targets.

 

[Zardnaar]

I'm pointing out that you are against pedophila being advocated yet you curiously hold a different view for bigotry, even though both have been shown to cause others harm.

I don't think there is a good reason not to be against both.

Bigotry isn't illegal, being a pedo is.

 

[Zardnaar]

It's not a false quivalency; both are harmful, both target groups that have comparatively little power; children and minorities, both are abhorrent to tolerate and are demonstrably harmful, proven to damage people both physically, emotionally and mentally through the respective fields of medicine and psychology, both are preventable by being vigilent but only one of those you want to actively prevent.

Change the Constitution then. Get back to me when you get 75% support.

It's easier in NZ you only need 51%. We don't have a constitution though.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Bigotry isn't illegal, being a pedo is.

So if pedophilia was legal you'd be okay with allowing it or would you take issue with it?

Bigotry and pedophilia are demonstrably harmful and can and should be prevented, what about this do you not understand? What good do they do for society? Society would be measurably better off if both were to be curbed, but you only consider pedophilia to be worthy of restricting, not bigotry and i don't understand why when both are equally harmful and bad, as well as being immoral.

 

[Dekker]

Bigotry isn't illegal, being a pedo is.

BEING a pedo isn't. Heck, expressing their views and forming political groups around it isn't illegal either, NAMBLA was a thing. It's the same as Nazis, their worldviews are equally abhorrent and disgusting. Don't you think? So how is treating them the same not ok?

 

[Zardnaar]

So if pedophilia was legal you'd be okay with allowing it or would you take issue with it?

Bigotry and pedophilia are demonstrably harmful and can and should be prevented, what about this do you not understand?

Personally no I put pedos in the death penalty category (after due process).

 

[Dekker]

Change the Constitution then. Get back to me when you get 75% support.

It's easier in NZ you only need 51%. We don't have a constitution though.

Please stop speaking about the Constitution like you know anything about it. And for the purposes of the debate, let's keep the question universal... Should Nazi white supremacy be treated like pedophilia, in general?

 

[Zardnaar]

BEING a pedo isn't. Heck, expressing their views and firming political groups isn't, NAMBLA was a thing. It's the same as Nazis, their worldviews are equally abhorrent and disgusting. Don't you think? So how is treating them the same not ok?

NAMBLA was a joke on South Park and had no widespread support. I think it was a weirdo with a PO box IRL.

 

[Zardnaar]

Please stop speaking about the Constitution like you know anything about it. And for the purposes of the debate, let's keep the question universal... Should Nazi white supremacy be treated like pedophilia, in general?

No it's two different things. Sexuality is usually however people are wired inside. You can't change that.

You can change a Nazis viewpoint.

 

[Zardnaar]

Please stop speaking about the Constitution like you know anything about it. And for the purposes of the debate, let's keep the question universal... Should Nazi white supremacy be treated like pedophilia, in general?

I seem to know more about it than a few here. I know you can change it.