What if Alpha Centauri has no planets?

@Brades

No worries... in the moment we start talking about how to construct the "damn space station" and to discuss if we use nanotubes or carbon fiber in epoxy for thermal insulation , a lot of people will feel outclassed by you ;)

And bestbrian, there will be always punks making graffitis... at least you'll always have a job :lol:
 
How do you think I feel? At least you get to build the space station, I just get to lock up whatever punk decides to graffitti it.

Space Graffiti, lol:lol:

Could we not simply install automated defense platforms and put up a sign that says: "All trespassers and vandals will be shot" in extremely bold letters. Hmm.. to bad the friends and parents of the: punks-who-cant-read-the-sign- that-clearly-warns-them-in big-bold-letters-not to-vandalize-the-place would object.

BTW: Use nanites for the space stations (yes, nanites, not just nanotubes). Nanites can self repair, adjust to changing temperatures (for insulation), and could probably remodulate themselves to absorb projectile weapons fire (rail guns). Or you could simply grow the space station out of organic material but unfortunately, that technology is even farther beyond us then nanotechnology.
 
Why are we talking of Dakinen? Brades talked about a thing that is not exactly a Dakinen idea and that some serious scientists wrote about ( Even Sagan wrote a text talking about how he felt that the Berossus Oanes could be a real tale of a civilizing alien )....

I don't have a solid opinion about this, but neither of the options would surprise me a lot
 
Popular crackpot theorist in the '60s and '70s who wrote a bunch of books (probably his biggest being Chariot of the Gods) in whiich he proposed that the development of civilization had been influenced by aliens. Just Google him.
 
Fermi asked the right question.
...but I'm not so sure that he gave the right awser ;)

This was already discussed ad nauseam in the last 70 years, and i'm pretty sure that this will not be anything new:
5.1 No other civilizations currently exist
5.1.1 No other civilizations have arisen
5.1.2 It is the nature of intelligent life to destroy itself
5.1.3 It is the nature of intelligent life to destroy others
5.1.4 Human beings were created alone
5.2 They do exist, but we see no evidence
5.2.1 Communication is impossible due to problems of scale
5.2.2 Communication is impossible for technical reasons
5.2.3 They choose not to interact with us
5.2.4 They are here unobserved
Index of wiki article for possible anwsers to the fermi paradox ;)

I would add one more: we do not live in a 2D world and , hence the drunk path solution does not apply. This means that it would be needed a infinite ammount of exploring parties in a 3 D universe to assure that every point in space will be visited once if the paths are random.

Now the questions is: there is any reason for the search paths not being random? All the wiki proposed anwsers assume that yes, but I really don't see why. As the Galileo probe test ( when the Galileo probe made a pass by over Earth ( to gain speed ) it was decided to make a test if the data collected by the probe gave innequivic signs of inteligent life on Earth. The answer was no.... We failed to prove the existance of inteligent life on our own planet :lol: ) showed, even a close flyby by a alien probe ( that we would have real dificulties to detect BTW if relatively small and if not emmiting radio towards Earth ) could fail to detect us as a inteligent life form..... why are we assuming that we would ever be visited at all, even if we waited all the time in the world, if we can be regarded as a object on no interest in terms of a hypotetical alien SETI? After all, high level language is not equal to inteligence, so our radio signs can intreperted as non inteligent but rich speech. And even our city lights are indistiguishable from what a hypotetical giant flouresecent ants would do.....
 
Leave the Hypothetical Giant Flourescent Ants out of this, they never did anything to you. :D
 
Humanity will probably be long gone before any significant discovery of intelligent life is made let alone meaningful or useful interaction. Colonizing another world (Mars) may be possible within the timeframe though. Of course this would just be a supplement to Earth and dependent on it as a home base, it is doubtful that even with terraforming any other world could become a long-term extension of human existence. Until and unless we understand the universe much better than we do now, it appears that that we aren't meant to mingle with other 'civilizations' on other planets--probably for good reason.
 
Humanity will probably be long gone before any significant discovery of intelligent life is made let alone meaningful or useful interaction. Colonizing another world (Mars) may be possible within the timeframe though. Of course this would just be a supplement to Earth and dependent on it as a home base, it is doubtful that even with terraforming any other world could become a long-term extension of human existence. Until and unless we understand the universe much better than we do now, it appears that that we aren't meant to mingle with other 'civilizations' on other planets--probably for good reason.

What good reason might that be? Listen, I'm all for self-loathing, but we're a pretty impressive species; why shouldn't we head out and rock the universe? Besides, in all the SciFi I've seen, we're the stars! Let's get out there and make things happen!
 
I'm just saying unless we find a way to use wormholes or bend space-time (which would probably take some impossible amount of energy) I don't see how we could reach the nearest civilization or alien colony. With current theoretical/conceptual propulsion systems it would take hundreds of years to reach the closest star which is unlikely to have any life. Alpha Centauri is 100 million times the distance to the moon! I have heard about some theory/calculation about gravity where if you can reach something like 51%+ of light speed you can accelerate easily the rest of the way, kind of like warping from Star Trek. Of course this takes billions of tons of power in TNT. In this case reaching nearby stars would be more like a few decades, but even still life or just one alien civilization could be 100 light years away (hundreds of years with near-light travel)...and in that case it may be too late even if we have the technology! It's all very fascinating either way.
 
And it once took several uncomfortable and horrid months (instead of several uncomfortable and horrid hours) to jump The Pond. We'll be long gone, but our kids' kids' kids' will figure it out, if we can get them away from their damn computers what with their games, and their Youtube, and their awful music, and they never clean their room....
 
As the Galileo probe test ( when the Galileo probe made a pass by over Earth ( to gain speed ) it was decided to make a test if the data collected by the probe gave innequivic signs of inteligent life on Earth. The answer was no.... We failed to prove the existance of inteligent life on our own planet :lol: ) showed, even a close flyby by a alien probe ( that we would have real dificulties to detect BTW if relatively small and if not emmiting radio towards Earth ) could fail to detect us as a inteligent life form.....

Mmm... those laser pulses in the second experiment would remind me of something...

Remote detection of life

The late Carl Sagan, pondering the question of whether life on Earth could be easily detected from space, devised a set of experiments in the late 1980s using Galileo's remote sensing instruments to determine if life indeed could be detected during the first Earth flyby of the mission in December of 1990. After data acquisition and processing, Sagan et al. published a paper in Nature in 1993 detailing the results of the experiment. Galileo had found what are now referred to as the "Sagan criteria for life"; these were: strong absorption of light at the red end of the visible spectrum (especially over continents) which was caused by absorption by chlorophyll in photosynthesizing plants, absorption bands of molecular oxygen which is also a result of plant activity, infrared absorption bands caused by the ~1 micromole per mole (µmol/mol) of methane in Earth's atmosphere (a gas which must be replenished by either volcanic or biological activity) and modulated narrowband radio wave transmissions uncharacteristic of any known natural source. Galileo's experiments were thus the first ever controls in the newborn science of astrobiological remote sensing. [34]

The Galileo optical experiment

In December of 1992 during Galileo's second gravity assist flyby of Earth, another groundbreaking yet almost entirely unpublicized experiment was done using Galileo to assess the possibility of optical communication with spacecraft by detecting pulses of light from powerful lasers which were to be directly imaged by Galileo's CCD. The experiment, dubbed Galileo OPtical EXperiment or GOPEX,[35] used two separate sites to beam laser pulses to the spacecraft, one at Table Mountain Observatory in California and the other at the Starfire Optical Range in New Mexico. The Table Mountain site used a frequency doubled Neodymium-Yttrium-Aluminium Garnet (Nd:YAG) laser operating at 532 nm with a repetition rate of ~15 to 30 Hz and a pulse power (FWHM) in the tens of megawatts range, which was coupled to a 0.6 meter Cassegrain telescope for transmission to Galileo, the Starfire range site used a similar setup with a larger transmitting telescope (1.5 m). Long exposure (~0.1 to 0.8 s) images using Galileo's 560 nm centered green filter produced images of Earth clearly showing the laser pulses even at distances of up to 6,000,000 km. Adverse weather conditions, restrictions placed on laser transmissions by the U.S. Space Defense Operations Center (SPADOC) and a pointing error caused by the scan platform acceleration on the spacecraft being slower than expected (which prevented laser detection on all frames with less than 400 ms exposure times) all contributed to the reduction of the number of successful detections of the laser transmission to 48 of the total 159 frames taken. Nonetheless, the experiment was considered a resounding success and the data acquired will likely be used in the future to design laser "downlinks" which will send large volumes of data very quickly, from spacecraft to Earth. The scheme is already being studied (as of 2004) for a data link to a future Mars orbiting spacecraft.[36]
 
What good reason might that be? Listen, I'm all for self-loathing, but we're a pretty impressive species; why shouldn't we head out and rock the universe? Besides, in all the SciFi I've seen, we're the stars! Let's get out there and make things happen!

lol !
That is called propaganda.
(or excessive anthropomorphism performed on alien actors)
;)
 
I'll sign up to colonize another planet as long as I don't have to wear a spandex jump suite.
 
You mean like... a communal "hive" mind, based upon fungus spread quite literally across an entire planet? It doesn't even have a concept for lannguage, let alone communication... there are no other "minds" in its history so there would be no need to communicate. (ps "language" is a subset of "communication") Such a creature would have to learn the very concepts of communication and language from the humans it encounters. The initial "get to know you" period could be quite traumatic for the humans.

:D

The best part is when we meet some aliens we cant talk to we will resort to lots of weapons instead! Think of all the video games in the future based off this war!! $$$$$$$$$$$$
 
there is speculation but unfortunately most of it comes from the likes of Zecharia Sitchtin or whatever his name is - suggesting that the Sumerian gods were a species of aliens who crash-landed here then civilized this planet and one way or another either evolved into, de-evolved to (by being forced to live in a primal state) or created the humans.

To this, they often cite a tablet that has a graph of the solar system - and the fact that when gilgamesh goes to meet Anu, he travels out to what is believed to be Alpha Centuari. (Often they say that Sirius B, a dark star NASA did not discover until recently is cited in sumerian stories, how could they have known this?)

Lastly, they use things like the "Baghdad Battery" and other coincidences worth looking into that display most of the ancient cultures had belief's and knowledge possibly better than our own - or at least comparable to enough to hint that they were led, or directed by a superior species.

I am not saying this is valid, but i like the idea that humans are a result of some form of ancient alien genetic experimentation, or cloning by some means.
 
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