What is a good ally of the United States?

[betazed]

Originally posted by EmpireofVirtue


All the things you've mentionned together.

I do not know whether to laugh or cry.

 

[Kinniken]

Even the "God-given right to rule the world"?

 

[Marla_Singer]

Originally posted by Kinniken
A country which shares the US's core values (democracy and human rights being the main one, or so I like to believe) and the US's long term interests (the spread of those values and of market economies).
It should help the US in need, but when it (well, its government) believes the US's government is making a mistake, it should say so.

And BTW, what I said above can be applied to most democracies today.

Kinniken, have you voted to the poll ? I'm just curious which answers you've picked.

Personally, I've voted for the 5, the 7 and the 8.

PS : Don't care about EoV, he's a well-known troll.

 

[EmpireofVirtue]

Originally posted by Kinniken
Even the "God-given right to rule the world"?

Isn't the fact the United States were there to save the world in 1941 a sign of God?

Originally posted by Marla_Singer
PS : Don't care about EoV, he's a well-known troll.

This is a personnal attack and the moderation does nothing! And after that there are still people to believe this forum to not be biased.

 

[Kinniken]

Originally posted by Marla_Singer
Kinniken, have you voted to the poll ? I'm just curious which answers you've picked.

Personally, I've voted for the 5, the 7 and the 8. [/I]

5,6,7,8 and 10 I think. 10 is not really necessary, but definitely good. 9 does not prevent a country from being a good ally as long as the differences of interest are limited.

Originally posted by Marla_Singer
PS : Don't care about EoV, he's a well-known troll.

Ok, I'll be careful

BTW, have you stopped answering your PMs?

 

[h4ppy]

Originally posted by EmpireofVirtue
This is a personnal attack and the moderation does nothing! And after that there are still people to believe this forum to not be biased.

Round 2 of EoV vs. Moderators. I wonder who will win.

 

[Kinniken]

Originally posted by EmpireofVirtue


Isn't the fact the United States were there to save the world in 1941 a sign of God?

If every country who helped save part of the world from a dictatorship has a God-given right to save the world, the list is going to be huge! We can start by including the Soviet Union, who was crucial in defeating Hitler. Their atheism might be problematic though
I guess we can also include France, for enabling the US to become independent and go on to save the world in 1941

 

[Bobo the Ape]

First I'd have to distinguish between an "ally of convenience" and a true ally.

A "good" ally of convenience (Pakistan, USSR in WWII) simply shares a temporary common goal or interest. As soon as that goal is met then the alliance is no more.

A "good" true ally is similar to a true friend. Generally you have a long history between you. You have common beliefs and interests. A true friend will let you know when you're being an idiot but will still be there when things really go bad despite any petty squabbling.

That's why I still believe that the only true allies of the US are its traditional Western ones (UK,France, Canada, etc...). If a non-Western nation (Russia or China for example) rises to prominence and starts trying to project its power then see how fast any of the current minor differences fade and how quickly those nations would stand together.

@Kinniken

I guess we can also include France, for enabling the US to become independent and go on to save the world in 1941

10 to 1 he lives not too far away from a town or city called Lafayette or Louisville and has no idea why that is.

@Marla

In the poll what does "oppose" mean? Do you mean politically or militarily? Thanks.

 

[silver 2039]

There is no such thing as an ally for any country. Your friend today can be an enemy tommrow and vice versa. All nations are out to increase their power, money, and status.

 

[Marla_Singer]

Originally posted by Bobo the Ape
@Marla

In the poll what does "oppose" mean? Do you mean politically or militarily? Thanks.

I mean politically of course ! I hardly see how you could consider a country which is in war against the US as an ally of the US !

 

[Achinz]

All the criteria that Oz fits into (unfortunately for those Aussies who do not toe the Howard line).

 

[Warmaster]

A puppet nation that says its democratic

 

[Bobo the Ape]

@Marla

I mean politically of course ! I hardly see how you could consider a country which is in war against the US as an ally of the US !

Cool. That's what I figured. I just wanted to make sure before I voted that it didn't include shipping arms to and otherwise supporting countries the US was at war with during the actual conflict.

In that case by the definition in my original post I voted 5,7,8,9, and 10.

And I believe all Americas true allies (UK,France,Canada, etc....) fit into these categories.

 

[sysyphus]

I do find it odd how many people see France as an ememy of the US. In fact, I find it odd that anyone would see the US and France as anything but allies. Other than Iraq, the USA and France have worked together on pretty much every occasion I can think of, right back to the American revolution.

It's good to see that a good number of Americans here have cited France as an ally.

 

[Marla_Singer]

You're right Sysyphus.

 

[Smidlee]

I don't know if USA has any good allies but We have bought a lot of them. A true ally would be a nation who stay with the USA if this country went bankrupt. I afraid we are guilty of buying a lot of our friends.

 

[silver 2039]

The U.S.'s so called allies are all flunkies and sattlites.

 

[MrPresident]

At the moment I cannot see France as an ally of America. They are certainly not enemies or anything of the sort but they are not allies. My definition of an American ally in its most simple form is a country that doesn't piss off America.

 

[EmpireofVirtue]

Originally posted by MrPresident
At the moment I cannot see France as an ally of America. They are certainly not enemies or anything of the sort but they are not allies. My definition of an American ally in its most simple form is a country that doesn't piss off America.

So you just agree with me. Any country which support the US superiority is an ally of the US. Why when Mr President says it, no one accuses him of trolling and when it's me, everyone reacts !

I'm a victim of mean people.

 

[h4ppy]

Because you and him be say different things.