What is with the backlash against feminism?

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I've noticed certain posters using terms like ******** and the like. Why is the feminist movement being vilified here? Is it really just some misogynistic jerks unhappy about the changing times, or are there legitimate grounds upon which to criticize/be unhappy with the movement?
 
Warpus, I thought that jackelgull was providing an open forum for those people to express their views on the matter.
 
He has said certain users use the term he is curious about.

So why not provide some quotes and ask those people what they meant and why they said what they did? Then the rest of us can chime in with our own thoughts and so on.

I'm just asking, cause.. if I know exactly who said something. and I have a question.. I go straight to that person, whether it's in private or in a public setting.. How are we supposed to comment on anything without any context? I want to be a participant here - I am guiding OP towards the logical path of least resistance to the information he is after.
 
Sorry, this is an open forum. I want to get a more complete picture on why there is a backlash against feminism, why people think there is, whether there are legitimate reasons to criticize it and I wanted a way to broach the topic. Plus I felt introducing quotes would make the post unnecessarily long.
 
Oh Christ, not this old wound again. Here we go...
 
I apologized if I have broached a potentially poisonous topic.
It's nothing against you, sorry if I was abrasive.

It's just that CFC has had like half a dozen threads on this recently, and they always result in more mud-flinging than the US Congress, with OT dividing into camps that absolutely hate each other. You'll rarely see posters at each others' throats like that.
 
To try and answer the OP. I think there is a there is backlash because some feminists wants to impose regulation. This is somewhat in contrast to the early feminist topics which were more about getting equal rights (voting, same pay, etc.) as men.

Whereas feminism was about combatting negative discrimination, it has become a proponent of positive discrimination. But many people, myself included for the matter, oppose any form of discrimination, whether it is based on gender, race, sexuality and so on.

Most people support equal rights, but not all want equality by any means.
 
When I heard the term ******** I always think they are refering to that people which don't want equality (like feminist) but they want girls dominate boys. IMO (******** = hembrism)
 
My first answer was mostly political. But there is probably also a social backlash.

While feminism claims to set sexuality free, many people feel they infact advocate just another conservtive image of sexual oppresion, where women are not allowed to want to look in ways that the feminists understand as "false". As an example I've often seen feminists claim that modern media give girls a wrong impression of how they are supposed to look like. But the paradox is that, as a woman, if you actually want to have fake boobs, be thin etc. then you're labeled by feminists as "suppressed" while you may actually feel that your fake boobs empower you.
 
I've noticed certain posters using terms like ******** and the like. Why is the feminist movement being vilified here? Is it really just some misogynistic jerks unhappy about the changing times, or are there legitimate grounds upon which to criticize/be unhappy with the movement?

Men cant join feminist organizations because they are men. I think this sums up what feminism really is.
 
Humans have a natural tendency towards applying the negative traits of individuals in a group towards the entire group when it does not apply. Muslims tend to get judged based on the terrorists, christians tend to get judged based on the pope or the WBC for example, feminists tend to get judged based on the women who want gender discrimination to go the opposite way of what it traditionally has done etc.

Some feminists are s/morons/whatever. Just like you will find s/morons/whatever in any large group of people.
 
Maybe a lot of men find feminism threatening. Maybe the idea that women could be "doing it for themselves" hits them where it hurts the most: in the groin?

Or maybe feminism just comes across as promoting inequality in some way. It could be the trouble with positive discrimination altogether. I really don't know.
 
This is probably a terrible place to express my thoughts on this, but I'm going to do it anyway. I've noticed that a lot of people who criticise e.g. feminists, immigrants, religion, gays, and so on, tend to criticise it for things that they often do themselves. For example, feminists are often accused of a culture of victimhood; they "play the victim", when in reality women have very little to complain about. Yet, very often, the same people who do this complain about how straight white men are the most discriminated group of people in the Western world. People often criticise immigrants for being lazy, not having any qualifications, living on benefits, being engaged in drug use and petty crime, and generally being low class scum. But those same people often complain that there no jobs and have had to live off benefits because employers would prefer to hire those lazy, ignorant, drug abusing immigrants instead of native Brits. People who criticise the religious for being dogmatic and not being open to new ideas are often the most dogmatic and close-minded people I've ever had the displeasure of discussing things with. And of course, there are the old jokes about homophobes being closet homosexuals themselves.

So perhaps one reason why some people have joined this backlash against feminism is because they can see in feminists the very things that they hate in themselves. Perhaps, for example, when people shrilly criticise feminists for taking an aggressive, man-hating tone, while simultaneously defending the right to troll people as much as they want on the internet, they are identifying the weaknesses in their own personalities. They are attacking what they hate in themselves, because we are often consciously blind to our own personality defects, but subconsciously acutely aware of them -- and so we project, and see them in other people instead.

Smart people often believe really stupid things because they are incredibly skilled at coming up with rational, logical arguments to support just about anything. Sometimes, unknowingly, our subconscious tells us to believe something, while our conscious invents compelling reasons to support it. Compounding this, we often feel that we know ourselves far better than other people -- when, very often, our friends, family and colleagues can tell us more about our flaws, weaknesses, needs and desires than we know ourselves. We need to be more humble in acknowledging these facts, and critically analyse why we believe what we believe, as if we were our own worst enemy analysing us from the outside. Only then can we really know why we believe the things we believe.
 
@Mise. So you don't really believe there are rational arguments against feminism?

Not trying to troll. Honest question.
 
I think there are rational arguments against everything, and I think some anti-feminists (what to call them now? MRAs? whatever) often express perfectly rational arguments against feminism -- arguments that warrant serious discussion and debate. Like I said, smart people can come up with rational arguments for and against anything.

But I took this thread as a more deeper type of "why", of asking why people identify as MRAs or anti-feminists or whatever. I think it's worth questioning why people might believe what they believe, aside from all the rational reasons, just incase those "worst possible reasons" are actually true. For example, my worst enemy might say that I'm acting all "philosophical" because I want to be seen as someone who is intelligent, deep-thinking, even-handed, open-minded and just generally "better" than the average person on CFC. But now that I know that this is what my subconscious thinks could be the underlying motivations for my present stance, I can really look inward and have a think: do I really believe this? or am I just showing off? If it is the latter, then I should stop typing and think about how else I can satisfy the need to show off -- or how to eliminate it altogether if I think it's unproductive.

Anyway, I think people have to ask themselves if they really are opposed to feminism on higher intellectual grounds, or if they are reflexively opposed to feminism because of some lower, more basic need that might be more productively filled through some other means.
 
I still want to see the quotes the entire thread is supposed to be based around.

I've noticed certain posters using terms like ******** and the like. Why is the feminist movement being vilified here?

How are we supposed to talk about this if OP refuses to post these?
 
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