What previously unseen civs would you like you see in civ7?

[Lonecat Nekophrodite]

^ So this explains why Asian Catholics are more associated to Jesuits (The order went to Japan, and Southeast Asia, stood in Ayutthaya since their entry until the death of King Narai). AFAIK Jesuits prefers education and medical science as instruments to convert natives (they did well in Japan to the point that they angered the likes of Tokugawa clans, I'm not sure if Oda Nobunaga likes or hates them). I'm not sure about Franciscans which instruments of their missions did they prefer.

I'm quite convinced that it was this murderous historical rivalry that was the model for the Apostle - Missionary Wars of Civ VI . . .

Missionary war of the same religion but different priestly order.

 

[Zaarin]

^ So this explains why Asian Catholics are more associated to Jesuits (The order went to Japan, and Southeast Asia, stood in Ayutthaya since their entry until the death of King Narai). AFAIK Jesuits prefers education and medical science as instruments to convert natives (they did well in Japan to the point that they angered the likes of Tokugawa clans, I'm not sure if Oda Nobunaga likes or hates them). I'm not sure about Franciscans which instruments of their missions did they prefer.

Actually what happened in Japan is that the Jesuits, who were usually the more culturally sensitive and astute of the two, made good progress in establishing friendly relations in Japan. Then the Franciscans blundered in denouncing Japanese culture and calling down hellfire, and Tokugawa changed his mind and decided all Christians were a threat to Japanese culture. The same thing happened in China, albeit even the Jesuits were never very successful there. (In India, it was the Jesuits whose intolerance cost them their mission--because they decided to make enemies of the native Malankara Syriac Orthodox Christians. The Hindus were not very impressed when the Jesuits couldn't even get along with Indian Christians.)

 

[Xandinho]

Coming back after a long time away.
My votes are: Armenia, Argentina, Ashanti, Bulgaria, Hebrews, Ireland, Italy, Romania and Swahili.

It's a shame that this poll won't have much participation given that it's been pretty quiet around here.

 

[Duke William of Normandy]

It's a shame that this poll won't have much participation given that it's been pretty quiet around here.

Yeah, same here. I might show up from time to time, but I won't be participating as much here anymore. It's really sad.

 

[Xandinho]

Yeah, same here. I might show up from time to time, but I won't be participating as much here anymore. It's really sad.

People tend to be more engaged when there're news in sight.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I voted for:
Armenia, Argentina, Benin, Burma, Hebrews, Ireland, Italy, Mughals, Romania and Tibet.

Realistically I see Argentina and Ireland being very likely possibly replacing Gran Colombia and Scotland in the next iteration. Burma seems the next likely if we were to get a new SEA civ, and Italy for a new European civ.
Others like Hebrews and Tibet are a long shot probably and Mughals especially if they keep India as a civ.

 

[HorseHead]

I would quite like to see an aborigine civ for Australia to replace the colonial one we have in Civ VI. I just don't think the colonial one distinguishes itself enough for the European countries.

 

[Zaarin]

I would quite like to see an aborigine civ for Australia to replace the colonial one we have in Civ VI. I just don't think the colonial one distinguishes itself enough for the European countries.

Most Aboriginal Australians have a taboo against naming or depicting the dead, which is a problem for choosing a leader. Unlike the Native Americans*, the Aboriginal Australians also have a very negative history with the media, and it's my understanding many of them prefer not to be portrayed in media as a result.

*To clarify, lest this be taken out of context, the Native Americans do, of course, have a history of being portrayed negatively in the media. But many Native Americans also have had positive experiences working with the media for more positive portrayals of Native Americans as well as for cultural preservation and revival (like the Haida-language manga that came out a few years ago).

 

[HorseHead]

Most Aboriginal Australians have a taboo against naming or depicting the dead, which is a problem for choosing a leader. Unlike the Native Americans*, the Aboriginal Australians also have a very negative history with the media, and it's my understanding many of them prefer not to be portrayed in media as a result.

Ahh, I did not know that. It makes sense why its not in the game then. Thanks for the info.

 

[Lonecat Nekophrodite]

Most Aboriginal Australians have a taboo against naming or depicting the dead, which is a problem for choosing a leader. Unlike the Native Americans*, the Aboriginal Australians also have a very negative history with the media, and it's my understanding many of them prefer not to be portrayed in media as a result.

*To clarify, lest this be taken out of context, the Native Americans do, of course, have a history of being portrayed negatively in the media. But many Native Americans also have had positive experiences working with the media for more positive portrayals of Native Americans as well as for cultural preservation and revival (like the Haida-language manga that came out a few years ago).

So far only Maori (Which related to them, more or less) got an entry to Civ.

 

[Zaarin]

So far only Maori (Which related to them, more or less) got an entry to Civ.

Maori are Polynesian, not Aboriginal Australian. The Aboriginal Australians are only very distantly related to the Polynesians; their closest relatives are Papuans, but even then the relationship is very distant. The Aboriginal Australians have been an isolated population for a good 15,000 years.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I would quite like to see an aborigine civ for Australia to replace the colonial one we have in Civ VI. I just don't think the colonial one distinguishes itself enough for the European countries.

The most we can hope for is more digeridoo music at least, to the dismay of @Zaarin.

Also I would like to see the Muisca, the Franks, Berbers/Numidia, the Navajo and Tlingit, which weren't on the poll.

 

[Zaarin]

The most we can hope for is more digeridoo music at least, to the dismay of @Zaarin.

My visceral reaction to didgeridoos aside, didgeridoo music in Civ7 implies Australia in Civ7, which is actually the more offensive of the two.

 

[Lazy sweeper]

I voted for:
Armenia, Argentina, Benin, Burma, Hebrews, Ireland, Italy, Mughals, Romania and Tibet.

Realistically I see Argentina and Ireland being very likely possibly replacing Gran Colombia and Scotland in the next iteration. Burma seems the next likely if we were to get a new SEA civ, and Italy for a new European civ.
Others like Hebrews and Tibet are a long shot probably and Mughals especially if they keep India as a civ.

We might have tribes like the Etruscan, the Italics, that could later evolve into the Romans, and then Italy.
Same for the Francs, Gauls, Bretons, that could later evolve in France civ...

This way we would have way more "civs" and get civ go after HK evolving idea... not with eras but with smth else??
Hebrew was a tribe, or were they 12???
Tibet also, ther's a lot of early tribes... even china has some tribes originating in Tibet... I'm no expert but that would require some good research...

The nomadic nature of civs we once talked about on these forums pretty much took shape in HK... I don't even know what I'm threading to anymore....

 

[CatboyEmperor]

Most Aboriginal Australians have a taboo against naming or depicting the dead, which is a problem for choosing a leader. Unlike the Native Americans*, the Aboriginal Australians also have a very negative history with the media, and it's my understanding many of them prefer not to be portrayed in media as a result.

*To clarify, lest this be taken out of context, the Native Americans do, of course, have a history of being portrayed negatively in the media. But many Native Americans also have had positive experiences working with the media for more positive portrayals of Native Americans as well as for cultural preservation and revival (like the Haida-language manga that came out a few years ago).

My understanding from what I have read is that the naming taboo mainly applies in respect to members of the deceased's direct family after the person has died, so historical figures may be more acceptable. For example, Yagan, one of the most likely candidates as a leader of an aboriginal civ, has a statue of him in public that was apparently specifically lobbied for and requested by the Noongar community (his people).

In any case, I think it would be best if they Firaxis consulted with the local people who are represented because based on this information it could happen

 

[Krajzen]

On a side note, what cultures do you think are really missing from this poll? By "really missing" I rather mean those that are not so much "my personal dream" but "my personal dream that is possibly shared by many other people"

Currently Lithuania, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Kievan Rus and Belgium are the greatest losers by far. The misery of Rus actually kind of surprises me, as it is its own big thing separate from Russia and by far the most legit way to add Ukraine and Belarus to the game; I'd stubbornly keep it in the poll. But the total failure of Nepal and Sri Lanka make me wonder if major Indian civs like especially Gupta wouldn't fare better in this poll. And I kind of regret not crying to cram something from Africa or America instead of the flop of Lithuania and Belgium. I have also just started regretting not adding Aborigines to the poll...

There are some very important archeological cultures that I didn't add because I think they are very unlikely due to either the complete lack or poverty in terms of their language, written sources and especially a leader, most notably Harappa, or Etruscans to much less obscure degree, or Andean civilizations.

To sum up, after seeing the results so far, if I were to make such poll in the far future then I'd throw away Lithuania, Nepal, Sri Lanka and Belgium, and replace them with Aborigines, Gupta, and for example Muisca and Navajo. I actually kind of forgot about Muisca lol. I didn't add any NA natives due to the reasoning "they are so divided into small groups that everybody has his own favourite one anyway" but I think adding Navajo would be better even as an option of token NA signal for people who want *any* NA native culture.

I actually have one civilization beloved by myself which I didn't add to the poll because I assume it would be obliterated anyway - Yoruba. Yoruba are a southwestern people of Nigeria, numbering around 40 millions today so not at all a small group, with a very impressive history of a civilization (or at least proto civilization like Gaul) and few very decent state societies such as Oyo kingdom, who are still somehow extremely obscure to people even for Subsaharan historical standards.

 

[Zaarin]

In any case, I think it would be best if they Firaxis consulted with the local people who are represented because based on this information it could happen

Perhaps, but I hope it doesn't. The Aboriginal Australians (and the Inuit, another popular request around here) are a very poor fit for the Civ model.

The misery of Rus actually kind of surprises me, as it is its own big thing separate from Russia and by far the most legit way to add Ukraine and Belarus to the game; I'd stubbornly keep it in the poll.

Oh, wow, I'm one of only two people who voted for it.

By "really missing" I rather mean those that are not so much "my personal dream" but "my personal dream that is possibly shared by many other people"

I've seen quite a few requests for Berber/Touareg in place of Civ5's Morocco; it seems to be a popular option. I'm not sure whether it would appeal to many, but I do know there is a decent following for a Zenobia-led Aram/Syria civ at least on these boards. I'd rather not imagine the public response, especially if they call the civ "Syria," but I stay away from the places where they complain so it doesn't affect me.

 

[Xandinho]

On a side note, what cultures do you think are really missing from this poll? By "really missing" I rather mean those that are not so much "my personal dream" but "my personal dream that is possibly shared by many other people"

Possibly Hawaii? Madagascar is reasonable requested here as well, and I've seen some people asking for Haiti.

 

[jsciv69]

I hope for Romania so we can have Vlad "The Impaler" Dracula as leader.

I vote for Mexico. With either Benito Juarez or Emiliano Zapata as leader.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Possibly Hawaii? Madagascar is reasonable requested here as well, and I've seen some people asking for Haiti.

Yeah I second Haiti. If we are going to have a French colonial nation in Civ 7 I wouldn't mind Haiti instead of Canada.