What previously unseen civs would you like you see in civ7?

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

If we're going to have postcolonial civ, and they seem to be here to stay, then I have nothing against Mexico as a postcolonial Latin-American civ (though I'm thinking we should still keep it to one spanish, one french, one english, one portuguese postcolonial per game, so I'd rather Mexico, GC and Argentina take turns)

I agree with this though with one exception. I think the one English should not include America. If it did then we'd only see America, Brazil and Canada probably every game. I'd still personally like Australia to appear again, even with the possibility of New Zealand for a game (only if we manage to get something other than Māori for Polynesia and miraculously an Aboriginal civ ).

I also thing it's a longshot that Haiti could replace Canada. If not then that probably makes the Spanish speaking ones the most likely to rotate between Gran Colombia, Argentina, Mexico, and possibly Cuba.

 

[Henri Christophe]

I also thing it's a longshot that Haiti could replace Canada. If not then that probably makes the Spanish speaking ones the most likely to rotate between Gran Colombia, Argentina, Mexico, and possibly Cuba.

I really like your idea of Canada and Haiti rotate in games, but I still hope civ7 have more civs than civ6 and be able to have all in the game. But despite Haiti and Canada be francophone nations, don't have that much in comum between this country and both can appear in civ7

About the spanish countries, I don't mind if we stack with Gran Colombia (because it has a better leader). I can't see any good choice to leader of Argentina, and despite I'm fine with Benito Juarez leading Mexico, Mexico have the capital issue of sharing the same location with Aztec capital ( similar issue happens with Byzantium and Turkey, that's why I'm also against Byzantium in the game, Rome is enought)

I agree with this though with one exception. I think the one English should not include America. If it did then we'd see America, Brazil, Canada probably every game. I'd still personally like Australia to appear again, even with the possibility of New Zealand for a game (only if we manage to get something other than Māori for Polynesia and miraculously an Aboriginal civ ).

Please New Zealand no, it is too much British commonwealthy countries. Maori could alternate with Hawaii, I missing Kamehameha from civ5. Rapa Nui I don't know any good leader. Maybe better Rapa Nui just be a city state who allowed to build Moais, similar the La Venta and it's huge stones.

 

[Xandinho]

I think if we should have only three postcolonial civs, they have to be America, Brazil and a Spanish one. Spanish Latin America is too big and diverse to be neglected. A fourth one can be a French one. I particularly Iike Australia, especially because it fills a huge empty space in Oceania, but I understand the complaints because Australia in the game means at least three anglo leaders, since obviously America and England would be there as well. Australia can be a low prioriy civ, though, when the game is almost finished.

That said, I think all modern civs added in Civ6 will be in the next game. Gran Colombia will probably be in Civ7 due to its great reception. If they add one more postconial civ, this would be Argentina or Mexico.

Almost nothing is said about modern civs in Africa. What are the chances of having Nigeria in the game in a near future? It's rising economically, it's one of the most populous countries in the world with a very fast growth. I don't know much about its leaders, though. But I can see Nigeria beating South Africa for a slot in Civ in the future.

 

[Henri Christophe]

Almost nothing is said about modern civs in Africa. What are the chances of having Nigeria in the game in a near future? It's rising economically, it's one of the most populous countries in the world with a very fast growth. I don't know much about its leaders, though. But I can see Nigeria beating South Africa for a slot in Civ in the future

Nigeria can be a great option if Civilization wants to do more modern states, but I guess Nigeria should be better represented by civs as Oyo, Benin and Sokoto Caliphate
Nigeria is a colonial incident and can't have any uniquiness from before it's independence from British, meanwhile other civs as Oyo, Benin and Sokoto Caliphate have their uniqueness from early eras.

If it is to make modern African states I would sugest Botswana, who have a high IDH from Africa and it's leader Seretse Khama was it's last king and first president, a very smooth transition.
Other modern africa state I should like to see is South Africa, also a powerhouse in the continent and have a easy leader to choice, Nelson Mandela.

 

[BuchiTaton]

Of course his heritage is also important. If we have an indigenous leader as Benito Juarez we shoul pick him. If we should to choice white guys to lead Mexico we can pick Porfirio Diaz, Maximiliano von Habsuborgo and even Hernan Cortez.

But our indigenous choice is way better.

Porfirio Díaz was mexican mestizo not "white", some see him as a modernizer and strong leader others as an elitist dictator. Anyway I dont see Firaxis choosing him.
Maximiliano is even less likely, a foreign monarch that endedn executed in few years is in no way what Mexico need as leader.
Hernán Cortés, of course not. There is not way Firaxis would use him for Mexico. Spanish conquest is a key step to form what is Mexico but at the time of Cortés it was not Mexico.

By the way before somebody suggest Emiliano Zapata he expressed his explicit displeasure to lead the contry, he was a general and agrarian reformist not a politician.
Finally remember the NEVER options for Mexico are Antonio López de Santa Anna and Hernán Cortés.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Please New Zealand no, it is too much British commonwealthy countries. Maori could alternate with Hawaii, I missing Kamehameha from civ5. Rapa Nui I don't know any good leader. Maybe better Rapa Nui just be a city state who allowed to build Moais, similar the La Venta and it's huge stones.

What I meant was New Zealand would probably only appear if Australia doesn't.

A fourth one can be a French one. I particularly Iike Australia, especially because it fills a huge empty space in Oceania, but I understand the complaints because Australia in the game means at least three anglo leaders, since obviously America and England would be there as well. Australia can be a low prioriy civ, though, when the game is almost finished.

I mean if they go for Eleanor of Aquitaine again or someone like William the Conqueror for England, then that's one less anglo leader.

Almost nothing is said about modern civs in Africa. What are the chances of having Nigeria in the game in a near future? It's rising economically, it's one of the most populous countries in the world with a very fast growth. I don't know much about its leaders, though. But I can see Nigeria beating South Africa for a slot in Civ in the future.

My views is basically what Henri said above, which is I'd rather see Africa represented by pre-colonial kingdoms and empires. I guess Nigeria would be the best option however. Though I'm also fine with them depicting modern Africa only being represented by Ethiopia, like they've been doing somewhat.

 

[awesome]

If I were to pick a modern leader for Nigeria, I’d probably say Azikiwe

 

[Krajzen]

If I were to remake this poll now, I would relace the biggest losers (Afganistan, Belgium, Kievan Rus, Switzerland, Nepal, Philippines, Serbia, Sri Lanka, Yemen) with something else.

Instead of Kievan Rus I'd definitely place Ukraine in the poll, and my support for its inclusion and exclusion of KR has switched even before 24th February.

I have realized Switzerland and Belgium feel really boring and it seems they have very few real fans. And I'd put Goths and Franks (Carolingians, whatever name you prefer, I mean Charlemagne's civ).

Instead of Sri Lanka and/or Nepal I'd suggest another separate Indian civ, probably Bengal (Sultanate, as a way to include Bangladesh), although it'd probably also fail in the poll.

Instead of Yemen I'd suggest Tunisia, Berbers, or whatever new from Maghreb.

Instead of Philippines I'd suggest Malaysia

And using two or three remaining slots I'd probably put something in the poll something like
- "New North American native civ"
- "New Central American native civ"
- "New South American native civ"

The reason wording is so vague is simple, there are so, so many possible civilziations (especially Native Americans) here and they have so similar scale I'd have no idea which of them exactly include in the poll.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Instead of Philippines I'd suggest Malaysia

Not sure about this. I've at least still seen people wanting the Philippines. I've never seen anyone interested in Malaysia, though I could be wrong.

- "New South American native civ"

The Muisca would be a popular option, and I think more people would get behind that singular choice, than a bunch of different North American options.

 

[Krajzen]

Not sure about this. I've at least still seen people wanting the Philippines. I've never seen anyone interested in Malaysia, though I could be wrong.

The Muisca would be a popular option, and I think more people would get behind that singular choice, than a bunch of different North American options.

Yeah Philippines was the only one among these 9 I was actually unsure about, maybe I would left this choice in the poll. As for Malaysia, I just remember Malaysia mod for civ5 which had 5 stars and top tier popularity and such civ would be different enough from Indonesia for me to warrant its inclusion. It would be either Islamic sultanates, Instead of Medang/Srivijaya/Majapahit, or modern economic powerhouse which is unparalelled in South Asia in its development level (with the exception of Singapore city state).

Muisca I am aware of and I like it, but there are also other South American options, such as Guarani, Aymara, Tiwanaku, Nazca etc

 

[Henri Christophe]

I have realized Switzerland and Belgium feel really boring and it seems they have very few real fans. And I'd put Goths and Franks (Carolingians, whatever name you prefer, I mean Charlemagne's civ).

If Charlemagne become a leader civ, it should lead the Holy Roman Empire. I think that is the best name for a civ possible.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Yeah Philippines was the only one among these 9 I was actually unsure about, maybe I would left this choice in the poll. As for Malaysia, I just remember Malaysia mod for civ5 which had 5 stars and top tier popularity and such civ would be different enough from Indonesia for me to warrant its inclusion. It would be either Islamic sultanates, Instead of Medang/Srivijaya/Majapahit, or modern economic powerhouse which is unparalelled in South Asia in its development level (with the exception of Singapore city state).

I'd assume they would focused on one of the Islamic sultanates, instead of making it modern. I'm hoping if we get a more modern Southeast Asia civ it could go to the previously included Siam, with a floating market district.

Muisca I am aware of and I like it, but there are also other South American options, such as Guarani, Aymara, Tiwanaku, Nazca etc

Tiwanaku and Nazca seem more difficult due to them being archaeological cultures, with the Tiwanaku sort of being similar to the Inca in playstyle.
I guess the Guarini or Tupi would be a possibility, but the Muisca were at least a confederation and seem more like civ material. Of course we did get the Mapuche, so anything's possible.

 

[Phrozen]

The Moche and Chimu were also rather large South American state level cultures but again archaeological only we have no historical records. Tiwanaku points to being a city state of which there have been several that rose and fall before the Inca.

 

[Xandinho]

If there is another poll like this, I think it would be nice to have some civs from Oceania, like Hawaii and Tonga. Some of them are popular here.

 

[bene_legionary]

Sri Lanka wouldn't have been a bad pick, but it's been in a sticky situation for the past 30 years. Serbia wouldn't have been bad either. Unfortunately there were better options.

To me Malaysia and Indonesia are too similar. But both an islamic and a hindu/other Indonesian or Malayan civ would be nice, if it could be possible.

 

[Henri Christophe]

Sri Lanka wouldn't have been a bad pick, but it's been in a sticky situation for the past 30 years. Serbia wouldn't have been bad either. Unfortunately there were better options.

Sri Lanka can be okay if they don't debloobed India, but I still prefer India be deblobed. But even if India isn't debloobed it can have the Mughal Empire together.

About Serbia, I think should be more fun to have Yugoslavia lead by Tito.

 

[Krajzen]

Once again I have read about Akan people and their Ashanti state (which wasn't even the only major kingdom of their) and goddamn do Akan culture deserves to be called a major civilization, be present in these series and go out of pophistory obscurity.

Ashanti is like Zulu, but everything Zulu did they do 5 to 10 times more impressively, on top of actually achieving a ton of spectacular things beyond, you know, warfare. They have maintained very disciplined army of 50 - 100,000 people, used thousands of firearms they could maintain (they could even produce some spare parts), ruled over the territory size of Britain inhabited by 3 million people for 200 years, had urbanization, had incredibly sophisticated and stable government system with checks an balances and institutions of law, built roads and bridges, had ministries, intelligence bureau researching colonial powers, fought four wars with British and won two of them (hi Zulu who fought one and lost one)...

...and that is only one country of Akan, who have a history of 1000 years of civilization building in Ghana and Ivory Coast (which by the way are both among few of the most developed countries in Africa).

 

[awesome]

Once again I have read about Akan people and their Ashanti state (which wasn't even the only major kingdom of their) and goddamn do Akan culture deserves to be called a major civilization, be present in these series and go out of pophistory obscurity.

Ashanti is like Zulu, but everything Zulu did they do 5 to 10 times more impressively, on top of actually achieving a ton of spectacular things beyond, you know, warfare. They have maintained very disciplined army of 50 - 100,000 people, used thousands of firearms they could maintain (they could even produce some spare parts), ruled over the territory size of Britain inhabited by 3 million people for 200 years, had urbanization, had incredibly sophisticated and stable government system with checks an balances and institutions of law, built roads and bridges, had ministries, intelligence bureau researching colonial powers, fought four wars with British and won two of them (hi Zulu who fought one and lost one)...

...and that is only one country of Akan, who have a history of 1000 years of civilization building in Ghana and Ivory Coast (which by the way are both among few of the most developed countries in Africa).

I think Africa is the one continent that could rival Europe for density of civilizations in the game. Most of the others definitely have a lot of deserving civilizations, but have more of a focus on larger empires, at least for the ones with settled cities.

 

[Henri Christophe]

I think Africa is the one continent that could rival Europe for density of civilizations in the game. Most of the others definitely have a lot of deserving civilizations, but have more of a focus on larger empires, at least for the ones with settled cities.

I really hope some day civilization series have the same amount of Europeans and Africans in a game, but I think it is very unlikely because this game is very eurocentric.

Once again I have read about Akan people and their Ashanti state (which wasn't even the only major kingdom of their) and goddamn do Akan culture deserves to be called a major civilization, be present in these series and go out of pophistory obscurity.

Ashanti is like Zulu, but everything Zulu did they do 5 to 10 times more impressively, on top of actually achieving a ton of spectacular things beyond, you know, warfare. They have maintained very disciplined army of 50 - 100,000 people, used thousands of firearms they could maintain (they could even produce some spare parts), ruled over the territory size of Britain inhabited by 3 million people for 200 years, had urbanization, had incredibly sophisticated and stable government system with checks an balances and institutions of law, built roads and bridges, had ministries, intelligence bureau researching colonial powers, fought four wars with British and won two of them (hi Zulu who fought one and lost one)...

...and that is only one country of Akan, who have a history of 1000 years of civilization building in Ghana and Ivory Coast (which by the way are both among few of the most developed countries in Africa).

Speaking about West Africa I see some potential civs as Ghana, Mali, Songhai, Ashante, Dahomey, Benin and Oyo. From those I really want to see at least one slavery kingdom. It can be Ashante since they are very requisited in this forum. For leader of they I would sugest Osei Tutu I, he is a kind of mythical king who brings from the sky the Ashante throne.

 

[Krajzen]

Okay, so here will be an unusual opinion: Kenya or Tanzania are better civ candidate than "Kilwa - Swahili" in every way.

0) So what if they are comparably very poor for global standards nowadays. They are iconic and very important for modern Africa. Zulu and Shoshone look much worse in comparision to other 19th century civilizations but nobody had problem with that. It would be also nice to trash this awful stereotype that modern Africa is only a humanitarian crisis and nothing more.
1) Countries themselves (colonies) are very young, but cultures they cover are centuries old, and their areas contained civilizations two millenia ago already (though local archeology is obviously in its cradle yet). So no 'wah too young' argument, they definitely have more of a 'civilization' feel than Australia and Canada anyway. Besides, I'm damn sure we have several civs in series which existed for less than 60 - 120 years.
2) People always talk about Swahili as some sort of awesome repredentation of East Africa, but it covered just coastal areas. Simply adding Kenya to the game would obviously represent peoples of Kenya better than either Swahili coastal strip or choosing random one of its count less nations (such as Masaai who amount to 2% of Kenya lol).
3) Kenya or Tanzania would also simultaneously represent civilizations of African Great Lakes.
4) Both countries are cool, their cultures are cool and Kenya is among few most respected countries of Africa (next to Ghana).
5) Both civs would include Swahili language, culture and cities anyway. Mombasa and Zanzibar would be literally second cities on Kenyan or Tanzanian city lists.
6) Both civs have awesome, charismatic founding fathers who are mostly beloved by them and respected by the world, so in this regard they immediately crush the endless issue of 'faceless' Kilwa (civ5 mod was so desperate it went for barely historical Persian dude and made his tan look kinda black )
7) Both civs obviously have HELLA lot more of documentation to take inspiration from than still poorly researched Kilwa.
8) They have very peaceful and wholesome history for post-colonial African standards (compare with Biafra and Derg) and they are both among most peaceful African countries with best economicc prospects, while also being big, so it's not like they feel awkward due to being quite insignificant or in disastrous shape (Sahel states, DR Congo).


9) And this point is the most important one, Kenya or Tanzania would genuinely offer much more content for gameplay purpose than Swahilli/Kilwa.
Have you ever realized how goddamn boring all actual gameplay concepts for Kilwa look? It is always purely 100% "city coastal navy trade civ" with dhow trade ship and coral port or mosque or whatever, it is one dimensional design u less we know much more of those people. With Kenya or Tanzania you can go crazy and go for their culture, tourism, money, agriculture, diplomatic successes, UN missions, unique ideologies, legacy of countless cultures, Masaai, their ww2 military units or modern (UN missions) military units or special forces, or precolonial resistance units, and you can even go for "Indian Ocean trade" naval stuff just as well.

10) We have plenty of candidates for precolonial Sub-Saharan civs, well what about post-colonial one.


Tl;dr Kenya or Tanzania are better civ candidate than "Kilwa - Swahili" in every way.