What should we do THIS time?

[Sidhe]

How paranoid can you get?!?
How is Iran's aquiring nuclear weapons a direct threat to America, of an order that would justify killing thousands or millions of Iranian civilians? Do they have intercontinental missiles too, dude? And have they stated they're going to nuke New York?
Thankfully, I see even the other hardliners won't go this far...

Well no neither the missile tech for long range ICBMs nor the 52 kilograms of enriched Uranium to make one.

A more important question is, is US bullying making them more likely to try and make one, and would this make the US happy. My question has remained unanswered for all the times I've asked it so I'm assuming their is no answer. If you don't want a country to develop enriched Uranium, why give said country the technology and the means to enrich Uranium, hypocrisy is a dirty and unpleasant business, although in politics it is all part of the game.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/01/AR2006090100286.html

Comment Shows Russian Impatience on Iran

By MIKE ECKEL
The Associated Press
Friday, September 1, 2006; 9:44 AM

MOSCOW -- Russia said Friday it regrets Iran's decision not to halt uranium enrichment by a U.N. deadline, underscoring the growing impatience of one of Tehran's key allies on the Security Council.

"We share the position of (the International Atomic Energy Agency) and express our regret that Iran has not fulfilled Resolution 1696 by the designated date and refused to stop work on uranium enrichment," Foreign Ministry spokesman Mikhail Kamynin was quoted as saying by the Interfax and RIA-Novosti news agencies.

Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, however, signaled that Russia continued to have a dim view of efforts to quickly impose sanctions on Tehran. He said Russia wanted to keep all options open _ a statement that appeared to be a response to U.S.-led efforts to quickly bring sanctions against Iran.

On a lighter note, looks like Russia may excercise it's veto power on sanctions on Iran, good old oil concerns screwing the world over since 1894.

 

[Padma]

Iran wants nuke plant for electricity? Let them.

If they were doing that, I would have no problem. But the plant they are building is of a design for which the sole real use is producing weapons-grade nuclear materials. They were offered assistance in building a non-weapons-producing nuclear power plant. They refused the help. Their "leader" has publically proclaimed his desire to see Israel wiped off the map.

Any sane person would be at least a little nervous.

• Let's see, the UN issued a resolution, saying "Stop it, or you will be sanctioned."
• Iran ignored the UN.
• US, UK, French, Russian, Chinese, and German diplomats will meet next week to discuss the problem.
• Russia/China will threaten to veto any sanctions applied to Iran.
• UN will issue a resolution, saying "Stop it, etc."
• Rinse and repeat, perhaps several times.
• Iran will develop/test "the Bomb".
• UN will issue a resolution, etc.
• Israel will disappear under a cloud of radioactive dust.

Oh, wait, you asked what should the US do, not what will happen....

 

[Sidhe]

You missed your calling you should of been a seer

What will happen you mean what may surely? If not give James Randi a call if you say comes to pass, you'll get a $1,000,000 pay out.

I disagree I asked the magic 8 ball about your predictions being accurate and it said no.

Seriously

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Then I asked is he close?

It said concentrate harder

So I asked no really close?

it said no?

You can't argue with the 8 ball!

 

[El_Machinae]

If they were doing that, I would have no problem. But the plant they are building is of a design for which the sole real use is producing weapons-grade nuclear materials.

I'm interested to see where you got the data for this statement. I would change my tune if it was the opinion of informed experts that the plant they built has no electrical production ability and the ability to build weapons-grade materials.

The interviews I've heard indicate that the centrifuges required to do as you say don't exist yet.

 

[CartesianFart]

The only thing that make me worry since the War between Israel and Hezbollah,is it possible that Iran if they do make a nuclear weapon will give it secretly to armed militia as the like of Hamas,Hezbollah,or other extreme Shiite militias in Iraq?If i was a diplomat who was empowered by all nations that oppose the Iranians flirting to use enrichment of uranium for military purpose to broker a peace proposal that consist that Iran must immediately stop funding and supplying arms to militias in Southern Lebanon,Gaza,West Bank,and most definately in Iraq.

 

[skadistic]

The US should do what it does all the time. Uphold the resolutions and santions imposed on a terrorist nation like Iran buy force because the horrid excuse of diplomates that is the UN has no balls and would rather sit back and talk about it instead of doing something about it. Diplomacy is worthless without drastic repercusions to back it up. The spineless UN can't back up its own mandates be it in Lebanon or Iran. Why does Iran thumb its nose at the international comunity? Because it can. It knows the UN will just BS with itself and not act. It knows the only threat it has is America and its coalition of the willing. But we all know as soon as the US steps up all the euro peacenicks and leftist Americans will cry out "war for oil", "American imperialism", "America hates muslims", and "its all the jews fault". These same people won't call hexbola terrorists and refuse to admit its Irans proxy army. We should just do what we always do and will continue to do. Be the worlds super cop.Not because we want to but because we have to since the UN can't and wont like its job entails.

 

[CartesianFart]

. Why does Iran thumb its nose at the international comunity? Because it can. It knows the UN will just BS with itself and not act.

It is not because the UN is powerless that give the Iranian the O.K. to do whatever they want,but the knowing that China and Russia will veto any proposal that constitute an economic sanction.Iran might use alot of tumult rhetorics(as they do now these days since 2004)but they are not stupid in risking insurrection of their own people(the middle-class professionals that want ties to the West) crying afoul that their leaders are not doing anything for their own prosterity,which is economic growth and more free trade.

 

[Sidhe]

Do you know I felt exactly the same way when the US vetoed Jewish sanctions for the 32nd time, it seems to me the only thing that you care about is the fact that four other nations have veto powers, honestly.

The UN is to blame for creating the situation, the US is to blame for showing no real impartiality in trying to resolve it. Stop *****ing at the UN, it's getting old fast, dont make me slag of George Bush for the 123rd time , there's more to this game than just UN and US interests. Perhaps it's time you started analysing the whole situation from day 1, instead of drawing a sight on the UN with the usual anti UN rhetoric that simply reminds me that the spoon fed view of the UN exists solely and biasedly in one country and the reasons for that are political.

Think for yourself I suggest, I see precious little evidence of people doing their own research and own thinking, and a great slew of constant attacks on the UN as if the people in quesiton know precisely the whole situation having worked for the UN for twenty years or something.

Honestly is their some sort of mind control device on the top of US TV's?

It is not because the UN is powerless that give the Iranian the O.K. to do whatever they want,but the knowing that China and Russia will veto any proposal that constitute an economic sanction.Iran might use alot of tumult rhetorics(as they do now these days since 2004)but they are not stupid in risking insurrection of their own people(the middle-class professionals that want ties to the West) crying afoul that their leaders are not doing anything for their own prosterity,which is economic growth and more free trade.

That's alot better

 

[Bigfoot]

Whether we like it or not, Iran has become an important player in the region (even without nukes). The 'regime change' option is not really viable, and is probably illegal too. China and India are major consumers of Iranian oil, so we are not going to get any decisive pressure using economic sanctions either. That leaves a slow 'containment' type of strategy, something akin to the Cold War standoff with the USSR. The regime in Iran has its share of domestic problems. My Iranian friends in this country tell me that everyone is sick of the mullahs (US culture is actually quite popular, and the religious fundamentilists are in the minority). There are real economic problems as well. I think the current standoff is in part a means of distracting popular attention away from those issues. Hopefully a more moderate leadership will eventually emerge.

 

[Masquerouge]

Why should Iran be treated in a different way than North Korea?

 

[CartesianFart]

Why should Iran be treated in a different way than North Korea?

Because of the potential that Iran can give to the world by trade and investments.Alot of more money to be made.

 

[Godwynn]

I'm not worried about Iran having a nuke for defense, I am more worried about Iran giving/selling/losing a nuclear weapon to a terrorist, who will then use it against the West.

 

[bathsheba666]

I doubt that Iran will launch a nuke, they are too intelligent for that.
They will get some friends to hand deliver it instead.

I doubt that the US will attack Iran...but I'm less sure about this.
After their experience in Iraq, it's conceivable they might have learned something.
Of course, if they think they can drop a few bombs, and fix it that way, they will instead simply be faced with more volunteers for delivery.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

Those are nothing but a bunch of numbers to me. If the US attacks Iran, it will not be a pushover like Iraq.

It means just what I said:

We have the capability to pound Iran into the ground.

 

[Nobody]

What makes your think Iran will nuke israel? Those silly little statments? every arab has been saying there going to destroy israel for the last 60 years (how ever old israel is.)

How about this for a plan:

• Stop threnting Iran, and offer diplomatic aid ect.
• The hardliners in iran will lose support, and let in more liberal less agressive leaders.
• These leaders will work with the world, the un can give economic insentives as iran becomes more diplomatic.
• Hopefully iran will become a constitutional-theocracy, which will be ok.

Also to help deal with iran the US should work harder on stablising Iraq and Afganistan. If Iran sees two strong stable US backed democracys on its boreds, sees the happy lives its people lead. Then democracy will spread by osmosi amongest the persians who need freedom.

Everytime the US or UN say something agressive the current iran president gains support and more average iranis thing "maybe abe is right, we do need nukes to protect ourselves against the imperialsts".

Two wrongs dont make a right!

 

[skadistic]

What makes your think Iran will nuke israel? Those silly little statments? every arab has been saying there going to destroy israel for the last 60 years (how ever old israel is.) Silly statements that Iran has acted on time and again.

How about this for a plan:

• Stop threnting Iran, and offer diplomatic aid ect.done and rejected
• The hardliners in iran will lose support, and let in more liberal less agressive leaders. sure when pigs fly
• These leaders will work with the world, the un can give economic insentives as iran becomes more diplomatic.never happen
• Hopefully iran will become a constitutional-theocracy, which will be ok.

not gonna happen

Also to help deal with iran the US should work harder on stablising Iraq and Afganistan. If Iran sees two strong stable US backed democracys on its boreds, sees the happy lives its people lead. Then democracy will spread by osmosi amongest the persians who need freedom. Who do you think is destabilizing Iraq? Stable democracies on both sides of Iran would destroy the power structure in Iran by fomenting rebelion. Do you thing the hardline islamists in charge would let that happen?

Everytime the US or UN say something agressive the current iran president gains support and more average iranis thing "maybe abe is right, we do need nukes to protect ourselves against the imperialsts". maybe. maybe everytime he picks more of a fight with the rest of the world he loses support because the Iranian populous sees it as one step closer to sanctions and economic collapes. The youth (a majority) is very unemployed and fedup with how things are.

Two wrongs dont make a right!

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[Veritass]

I don't think it is paranoid to think that Iran will nuke Tel Aviv or New York. Of course, they won't us the bomb themselves.

The recent developments in the Middle East have only proven to them that they can take indirect actions against Israel with no accountability falling back on Iran. Oh, sure, everybody "knows" that Iran is funding Hezbollah, but that seems to be getting Iran more kudos from the Muslim world than grief from the western world.

Is it so out of the realm of possibility that Iran (or North Korea for that matter) would develop such a weapon, and then "let" it slip into the hands of some terrorist organization willing to use it? That is the part where the U.S. or Israel will feel pressure to keep Iran from developing the bomb.

If this was a standard war, and not a puppeteered terror war, then I think we could depend on the normal deterrents to keep Iran from using such a weapon, and I wouldn't be as worried. To all those who think Iran should be left alone to develop it, what would you suggest we do when the bomb goes off, and Iran says they are not responsible, but the Random Fundamentalist Islamist Jihad Against Israel claims responsibility?

 

[Nobody]

Silly statements that Iran has acted on time and again.

When has iran acted? ever? The only think i know they have done was have a war with iraq, america done that too. Prove they have funded terrorist!

 

[skadistic]

When has iran acted? ever? The only think i know they have done was have a war with iraq, america done that too. Prove they have funded terrorist!

You have got to be kidding me. Prove Iran funds terror?



http://www.iranian.ws/iran_news/publish/article_17399.shtml

Heres a thought hamas the terrorist group that runs the occupied areas of Jordan and Eqypt is funded by Iran. You really could do your self a favour and google (iran funding terror) and start reading. Iran will also openly admit to funding these groups. And you can trace weapons used against Israel by hezbola, hamas, islamic jihad, al aqsa and others back to Iran. If you realy don't think Iran is funding terror you need to educate yourself.

 

[Elrohir]

I think we should stop side-stepping around the issue with all the diplospeak. The US embassy in Iran should deliver to the Iranien state department a note that says, in full "You have one month to knock it off: No more uranium enrichment, no more funding Hezbollah. If you don't, the embassy will be withdrawn, and we'll take matters into our own hands. One month." After a month, if Iran has not responded, the US should immediately launch it's attack.

First, every major radar installation around their country get hit as quickly as possible. B-2's and F-117's will likely have to handle this stage completely. (We have a total of about 80 of those planes, even if we leave a few in reserve that is enough to launch a coordinated assault over quite a large area) And no, our current operations in Iraq would not hinder the following effort, as what we are doing in Iraq requires ground troops; my plant only requires massive amounts of airpower - something we thankfully have a great deal of. After their radar net is almost entirely down, then the bombing run of their nuclear installation begins. Those we think we can destroy with bunker-busting weapons we destroy that way; the installations that we can't reach using bunker-busters we take out of commission the way they used to take out castles to costly to takse: by siege. Only we do it by air, namely by flattening every possible entrance to the installations above ground for, say, 10-20k in every direction. (Most of the installations are at least that far away from major population centers) They may have tunnels 20+ kilometers long, but I doubt it.

After that, if Iran still won't agree to stop it's nuclear weapons program, I propose we begin effectively decapitating their nuclear weapons research and military strategists. I'm sure between the Israeli's and the CIA we have a pretty good idea where most of them live when they're not in the thick of things - so once we're reasonably sure that they're back home, we flatten their houses with bombs.

After more time of this, either Iran will eventually weary of it all, or we move on to the rest of their military and other important buildings and objects, such as major transportation routes and airstripes. Either they'll crack, or we can stop after a few months with their military and atomic program in pieces; their call. Additionally, I suppose we should send a letter to Damascus, something along the lines of "Play ball with the Israeli's, and stop funding Hezbollah, or you're target #2."

I suppose I should stop dreaming, though - no one seems to have a spine these days, except the Iranian clerics.