What the Israelis really think of the UN

[William GBTW]

so why is Israel fell into their trap ?? Will escalating the attacking like this solve any problem ?? i think its making it very much worse than b4.

now the chinese are also pissed too...

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_asiapacific/view/221288/1/.html

I agree with you 100% Ramius75, I often do agree with you. As for China, for once I agree with the Chinese Government. Israel so helped Hezbollah that I've made a tax deductable donation So good is Hezbollah in defending Lebanon that if I was in Lebanon I would volunteer. Its Nationalism; not Islam wanting to kill West.

 

[nivi]

First mistakes happen, such was the case when a chopper hit 5 of our own troops by acident, but your not going to write about that, now are you? No no, doesn't serve your agenda.

Second, the UN in leabanon has done realy horsehockey things to us thier, so i'm not all that saddened.

 

[Spartan117]

Thats a ridculous statement, propaganda has a huge effect in any part of the world. If your community is only exposed to one form of propaganda then that community is more likely to be "brainwashed".
I've read your posts and to me you seem "brainwashed", do I regard you as ********? not exactly, ******** is a clinical term last I checked.

i dont want to get into an argument here, i try to be neutral as possible but so many people are pro israel and anti "evil arabs"

could you point out to me what parts seem like propaganda? i would like to know so that i do not have a biased opinion...

and "brainwashed" people are people that i know from chicago and elsewhere besides this forum....that i was referring to mostly

when i said "********", i was using a form of speech, not to say someone has a clinical illness of some sort

another important issue is the effects of propoganda and many of the counrties it occurs in, if not all...but that is a whole other thread

 

[Leha]

This thread reminds me of those stupid Israelis who insist on riding buses, knowing full well they might get blown up, then complaining about it.

Your post reminds me of stupid Kofi Annan who hates Israel so much, that never hesitates to make hasty stupid statements EVEN BEFORE any kind of investigation. Same way as he hastily blamed Israel of Gaza beach shelling.

And just to add: what kind of crappy diplomat Kofi is stating that IAF "deliberately" targeted UN post? Or maybe feeling that his General Secretary job is neering it's end gives him a right to show unveiled bias?

 

[Pasi Nurminen]

If it was deliberate, it was an act of war against Canada, and we should respond accordingly.

 

[Spartan117]

If adding extra shrapnel to maim people is strategic, I guess I can live with that. But even so, why does nobody seem to upset about it? Everyone is always on Israel's back. I think I've seen one person even mention it, and everyone ignored it completely. I guess like was just stated, it's only ok for the weaker nation to kill civilians. Why not both? Not getting the double standard.

700,000 Palestinians displaced? Alright, should I talk about the estimated 1mil Israeli children living in bomb shelters? Nobody ever wants to talk about that either. Funny how that works.

How about that cease fire everyone wants? Hezbollah had the chance. They were offered an immediate cease fire by Israel for the first week or so. All they had to do was return the two captured soldiers. Now my memory isn't what it used to be, and it's been a long week...but I'm pretty sure that Hezbollah refused to return the captured soldiers. But instead, people blame Israel and the US. What a joke.

its crazy when trying to reason during war, a country knowing a smaller country will resort to directly attacking civilians, should attack the smaller country's civilians inorder to stop this

its a nonstop cycle

 

[Ramius75]

The first paragraph ends with an illogical statement. Yes, Israel has killed 400 people now in the current conflict. And NK and Iran haven't. Of course, only one of these three nations was attacked this month.

What's right is subjective. Hezbollah thinks they are right. Israel thinks they are right. Do you think it's right that a nation gets shelled with rockets and has it's soldiers killed and kidnapped without provocation? I don't.

I think most people are sad that the civilians get killed in the crossfire. But if it doesn't happen like this, then it's Israeli citizens who get killed by Hezbollah rockets. It's just a slower process with less press. Would that make you happy? Less people die per day, but more overall, and it's just drawn out over a number of years? That's not peace to me. And returning to that situation, which is what a cease fire would do at this point.

Without the disarming of Hezbollah, which apparently only Israel is willing to do, then there is no peace. Israel is between a rock and a hard place. Actually, it's not that hard for them, except when it comes to public perception. Their situation is attack Lebanon and Lebanese citizens die...or stop attacking and Israeli citizens die. I know which choice I'd make if I were them. Others do to. That's why there won't be any sanctions. Has nothing to do with the US.

Iran has not attacked any other countries after it birth from the revolution. More Iranian were killed by the american (see flight 655) alone without any direct death of american cause by Iran.

I know it isnt right for the hezbollah to do that. And i think they are purposely setting a trap to make Israel attacking Lebanon. Weakening the now Christian lead Gov and making the Citizen turn to Hezbollah and syria again. It makes perfect sense also. And Israel is falling into the trap and killing much more than anyone expected.

U can try to repeat the cycle of violent again and again, generation after generation. All i know that is Israel will always wanted to live in their so called "promised" land and the Arab will always be there too. The arabs also outnumbered the israelis at least 10 to 1. With years gone by and both side acquring better technologies and weapons. who will be the 1 last standing, if they dont want to solve the problem and keep escalating it ??

 

[William GBTW]

To the Israelis here: You are so brainwashed by Zionist, there is no convincing you. But as to Nivi's statement:
What kind of statement is that; so the UN only is good if it serves you agenda? What's 5 Occupation Forces as opposed to the destruction of Lebabnon in large? The UN made you & don't forget it. I don't blame the Arabs for fighting you. They were having land snacted by the Zionist.
PLEASE USE THE CONSLAIDATED THREAD!

 

[shadow2k]

Iran has not attacked any other countries after it birth from the revolution. More Iranian were killed by the american (see flight 655) alone without any direct death of american cause by Iran.

I know it isnt right for the hezbollah to do that. And i think they are purposely setting a trap to make Israel attacking Lebanon. Weakening the now Christian lead Gov and making the Citizen turn to Hezbollah and syria again. It makes perfect sense also. And Israel is falling into the trap and killing much more than anyone expected.

U can try to repeat the cycle of violent again and again, generation after generation. All i know that is Israel will always wanted to live in their so called "promised" land and the Arab will always be there too. The arabs also outnumbered the israelis at least 10 to 1. With years gone by and both side acquring better technologies and weapons. who will be the 1 last standing, if they dont want to solve the problem and keep escalating it ??

Hah. Iran doesn't use normal warfare attacks. They use terrorists. Hezbollah is funded by Iran. Iran may not officially declare war and send in the army...but I'd hardly call them a peaceful, innocent nation...even in this war.

Israel tried peace. They pulled out of Lebanon six years ago, and have been attacked numerous times since by Hezbollah. It's not like this was an isolated incident. The violence was already there. There was no peace. Hezbollah didn't want peace. They want dead Israelis.

 

[nivi]

To the Israelis here: You are so brainwashed by Zionist, there is no convincing you. But as to Nivi's statement:
What kind of statement is that; so the UN only is good if it serves you agenda? What's 5 Occupation Forces as opposed to the destruction of Lebabnon in large? The UN made you & don't forget it. I don't blame the Arabs for fighting you. They were having land snacted by the Zionist.

I have said before and will say again, I will no no longer respond to your biased, brainwahed posts.

 

[Spartan117]

Hah. Iran doesn't use normal warfare attacks. They use terrorists. Hezbollah is funded by Iran. Iran may not officially declare war and send in the army...but I'd hardly call them a peaceful, innocent nation...even in this war.

Israel tried peace. They pulled out of Lebanon six years ago, and have been attacked numerous times since by Hezbollah. It's not like this was an isolated incident. The violence was already there. There was no peace. Hezbollah didn't want peace. They want dead Israelis.

and major powers use smaller country's as pawns, and the arabs orginally wanted the land, as i said before violence will always remain unless there is some compromise between israel and the arab nations

both sides get a fair share of deal, not refferring to Hezzbolla directly but many arab countries hold this anti israel stand

however i dont think this is possible... so what happens there

as the other guy so eloquently put it," see who is last one standing"?

 

[Leha]

To the Israelis here: You are so brainwashed by Zionist, there is no convincing you. But as to Nivi's statement:
What kind of statement is that; so the UN only is good if it serves you agenda? What's 5 Occupation Forces as opposed to the destruction of Lebabnon in large? The UN made you & don't forget it. I don't blame the Arabs for fighting you. They were having land snacted by the Zionist.
PLEASE USE THE CONSLAIDATED THREAD!

HA HA HA.

Here's my thinking -- when the UN asks for tapes or other information so they can investigate the Israelis should respond the same way the UN did when the Israeli soldiers were grabbed with UNIFIL complicity.

 

[Ramius75]

I agree with you 100% Ramius75, I often do agree with you. As for China, for once I agree with the Chinese Government. Israel so helped Hezbollah that I've made a tax deductable donation So good is Hezbollah in defending Lebanon that if I was in Lebanon I would volunteer. Its Nationalism; not Islam wanting to kill West.

errr thanks. but of coz im not defending Hezbollah also. i think such military group should be disarmed, but not in this way.

Im not sure of what kind of relationship that present Israel and Lebanese gov had in the past. But i think more can be done with negotiation. Of coz, the Israel her doesnt wants to be seen weak by negotiating with lebanon instead. From my POV, i think the right way will be giving asistance to lebanese GOV instead and help them flush the hezbollah out. Making it their problem without getting the civilian involve and killed.

 

[Spartan117]

I have said before and will say again, I will no no longer respond to your biased, brainwahed posts.

one question

what is israel's stand on the UN process in the creation of the state of israel?

was the decision fair to all sides involved...

i am not trying to troll or anything....i want to broaden my knowledge on this issue...to better understand it...

maybe this is going to a whole other thread...

 

[William GBTW]

@ Nivi: your the brainwashed one.
@ Leha: WHAT? Are you threatening war with UN?
@ Ramius: I think Hezbollah should be disbanded peacefully.
@ Spartan: IMO No, 700,000 people left thier homes due to the State of Israels creation.
Khamanieh is one hope at peace; he fights Zionism & Zionism is the cause of this war. Also HM King Abdullah said that Suadi Arabia will punish Israel if the Peace is failed due to Israeli arogance. Also honor the Camp David Peace accords.
PLEASE USE THE CONSALIDATED THREAD.

 

[Leha]

@ Nivi: :crazyeyes: your the brainwashed one.
@ Leha: WHAT? Are you threatening war with UN?
Khamanieh is one hope at peace; he fights Zionism & Zionism is the cause of this war. Also HM King Abdullah said that Suadi Arabia will punish Israel if the Peace is failed due to Israeli arogance. Also honor the Camp David Peace accords.

OK, Nivi you were right

 

[Kozmos]

I thought that those little blue helmets like gave you invunerability.

 

[Leha]

Hey, Kofi, you shouldn't be surprised!

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-lebanon20jul20,0,4733925,full.story

At the same time, Hezbollah has been blamed for placing its fighters and weapons in densely populated civilian neighborhoods, and near United Nations facilities.

 

[Spartan117]

@ Nivi: your the brainwashed one.
@ Leha: WHAT? Are you threatening war with UN?
@ Ramius: I think Hezbollah should be disbanded peacefully.
@ Spartan: IMO No, 700,000 people left thier homes due to the State of Israels creation.
Khamanieh is one hope at peace; he fights Zionism & Zionism is the cause of this war. Also HM King Abdullah said that Suadi Arabia will punish Israel if the Peace is failed due to Israeli arogance. Also honor the Camp David Peace accords.
PLEASE USE THE CONSALIDATED THREAD.

i have my opinions, but i think arabs were untreated in the creation of israel(anda have posted that), it only favored one side ithink... but i want to merely learn other people's opinions, from different stand points

i did a paper on it and know a little abit of the masss amounts of people leeaving

People use the consolidated thread...this is going way off topic

 

[Mott1]

i dont want to get into an argument here, i try to be neutral as possible but so many people are pro israel and anti "evil arabs"

No arguement intended, I felt you were being a bit unfair by stating that propaganda has a huge effect on only Americans. Just thought I'd point that out.
You are being dishonest by stating people that are pro Israeli are anti-"evil Arab" however. People that are pro Israeli do not consider Arabs to be evil, they consider Islamic terrorist to be evil and in this case hezbollah fits the bill.

could you point out to me what parts seem like propaganda? i would like to know so that i do not have a biased opinion...

All people have their biases, some more than others. Your posts show a consistant bias that leads you to an unfavorable position toward Israel.
There is nothing wrong with that, however you can't accuse people of being "brainwashed" by propaganda on the bases that they do not agree with your point of view.

when i said "********", i was using a form of speech, not to say someone has a clinical illness of some sort

So in other words you were using it in a derogatory manner.