What the Israelis really think of the UN

[shadow2k]

of coz, there isnt any "concrete" proof that its deliberate. there never will be the truth also, likewise with so many war crimes happening right in our faces. The truth is out there, but i doubt it will even be found. Just like Kosovo embassy attack. The chinese can only keep their mouth shut and swallow the injustice if any.

@skadistic - if the UN is taking side, why u think they want to be there in the 1st place ? Human shield ?? There always some logics in some Conspiracy theory. If only one use some brain to think of one.

@shadow2k - like i said, one will never know whats happening. The UN cant do anything to the Israel, not even slapping sanction on it. The Israel will most probably getting away with this war anyway. After killing 300 or even more lebanese and destroy its infrastructure. The Rest of the world arent strong enough to take on USA yet both economically and militarily. but im sure such a day will come.

It's funny how you say there isn't any "concrete" proof. In fact, there's NONE at all that it was even an Israeli shell at this point, let alone a deliberate act by them. If find your "facts" to be nothing more than skewed opinions at this point.

Of course the UN can't do anything to Israel. What is the UN going to do, slap down a resolution tomorrow morning without any proof because the leader made a ridiculous statement without ANY proof? I'm so glad that's not how things work in real life.

Right now, all Israel is doing is defending themselves...and as ironic as it seems, trying to enforce a UN resolution. Not agreeing with their actions is one thing...but what exactly are you going to try and sanction them for? Give me a break, that's ridiculous.

 

[shadow2k]

You are correct! I bet I've read it a 1000 times on these various threads and in the foreign media that the US veto'd a cease fire with Lebanon/Hezbollah ... no wonder we (the US) get such a crappy image, people just start spouting with getting their facts straight.

Sadly, it's like the fourth or fifth time I've posted it. I should just make a thread for it.

One of the other major misconceptions is that it's only over two kidnapped soldiers. Everyone tends to forget the 100 rockets fired into Israel that day, and the eight dead soldiers that can't be returned. And the winner of the dumbest question repeatedly asked by the media: "Is this just about the two kidnapped soldiers?"

 

[boarder]

. Everyone tends to forget the 100 rockets fired into Israel that day,

I have read you say that on another thread I think it was, that they fired them at the same time as the kidnapping was taking place as a diversion.
Yet you are the only one I have heard this from, could you give me a link to them doing that please as I cant seem to find any information about this, after I admit a quick 5 minute search.
Not saying I don't believe you, just would like a link or source for it.

 

[Leatherneck]

Sadly, it's like the fourth or fifth time I've posted it. I should just make a thread for it.

One of the other major misconceptions is that it's only over two kidnapped soldiers. Everyone tends to forget the 100 rockets fired into Israel that day, and the eight dead soldiers that can't be returned. And the winner of the dumbest question repeatedly asked by the media: "Is this just about the two kidnapped soldiers?"

What gets me is so many talk about the resolution the US veto'd which nothing to do with Lebanon or Hezbollah and yet they forget 1559 which was passed that told Lebanon to disarm Hezbollah and get them out of Southern Lebanon, what like 6 years ago?

 

[sonorakitch]

Why the UN (aka rest of the world) tolerate the USA and Israel ?? Becoz it got the biggest guns around. Not becoz we really like u guys.

Now now Ramius. I do wish you would have the courage to convey where you live, but I know a lot of international people who like us. Especially Angelina Jolie and Natalie Portman...

~Chris

 

[kalif]

common, israeli troops invaded (or however you want to call it) lebanon on the 12th, directly after hizbollah announced they have kidnapped 2 soldiers. and yes, in relation to the kidnapping, hizbollah started combats and launched rockets at the border. so sure one can say its amongst others because of the kidnapping.

 

[boarder]

No im pretty sure he said, at the same time as the kidnapping there was 100 missiles launched into Israel, which is what im trying to clarify as I have always been lead to believe that the rocket attacks from Hibollah didnt start until after Israel launched strikes and artillery.

 

[Leatherneck]

No im pretty sure he said, at the same time as the kidnapping there was 100 missiles launched into Israel, which is what im trying to clarify as I have always been lead to believe that the rocket attacks from Hibollah didnt start until after Israel launched strikes and artillery.

I know I heard a report on news radio (which I can't post) of something to that effect. I do not want to swear to it as I was working in a noisy place, if it's true there has to be a news story on it somewhere on the web.

 

[kalif]

http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,426407,00.html

yeah, amongst the kidnapping, hizbollah attacked israel. im not denying that. but read what the spokesman mentioned.

ps: its foreign media, so use it at your own risk

 

[shadow2k]

I have read you say that on another thread I think it was, that they fired them at the same time as the kidnapping was taking place as a diversion.
Yet you are the only one I have heard this from, could you give me a link to them doing that please as I cant seem to find any information about this, after I admit a quick 5 minute search.
Not saying I don't believe you, just would like a link or source for it.

http://www.adl.org/main_terrorism/hezbollah_overview.htm

Hezbollah, a Shiite terrorist organization based in South Lebanon, began its latest campaign against Israel on July 12, 2006, when it entered Israeli sovereign territory and killed eight Israeli soldiers, kidnapped two others and began launching rocket attacks against Israeli cities.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/737634.html

The militants attacked two IDF armored Hummer jeeps patrolling along the border with gunfire and explosives, in the midst of massive shelling attacks on Israel's north.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2006/07/mil-060712-usia01.htm

On the morning of July 12, Hizballah attacked several Israeli towns with a barrage of Katyusha rockets and mortars.

The most interesting source comes from a first hand account. It's a very long thread, but you get first hand accounts from both a Jewish man who lives right on the border, and a Lebanese man who lives in Beirut. Again, very long thread...but a good read if you skim through all the outside posts and just read theirs.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=563147&page=2

Posts #25 & 30

If you search Hezbollah July 12, you'll get all sorts of links for it as well.

 

[Spartan117]

i was being a bit sarcastic, i would still put blame to the person who shot them, not the bystander...i doubt if it wsa intentional, what are the reasons to attack UN? sounds stupid, that wouldn't do much in favor of israel, but it does seem a bit awkward to attack that particular position

on a side note, i think this war with lebannon is a "bad thing" for the united states, i think united states disagrees with it, if only because it distracts the un and the world from iran's nuclear weapon potential, and north korea and their missiles and the possibly of escalating things in an unstable region quickly, but in the end has to agree with it becaue the US was encouraging other countries to defend themselves against a "terrorist threat" and to tell israel to cease fire, would just be contradicting themselves... probably would have been better at a different time for the US

 

[Ramius75]

It's funny how you say there isn't any "concrete" proof. In fact, there's NONE at all that it was even an Israeli shell at this point, let alone a deliberate act by them. If find your "facts" to be nothing more than skewed opinions at this point.

Of course the UN can't do anything to Israel. What is the UN going to do, slap down a resolution tomorrow morning without any proof because the leader made a ridiculous statement without ANY proof? I'm so glad that's not how things work in real life.

Right now, all Israel is doing is defending themselves...and as ironic as it seems, trying to enforce a UN resolution. Not agreeing with their actions is one thing...but what exactly are you going to try and sanction them for? Give me a break, that's ridiculous.

Well, that puts me in the same situation as kofi annan isnt it ?? Is there a way to find out ?? What if its really by an Israelis warplane ?? will u ready to defend the attack then ??

The UN has slapped Iran and North Korea with USA taking the lead with sanctions and resolutions becoz they did not violate any national law also with concrete proof. Thats how the things work out in real life ?

I see it as excessive force been use and escalation without any long term plan and no regard of human life. We will sanction them for killing 300++ Lebanese civilian ! Whats their worth to u ???

 

[Ramius75]

Now now Ramius. I do wish you would have the courage to convey where you live, but I know a lot of international people who like us. Especially Angelina Jolie and Natalie Portman...

~Chris

I live in Singapore actually, some of the posters will know me
And im having hard time liking the USA ever since GWB gets voted into office. Maybe only 49% of the population i think. And im quite sure Angelina Jolie is one of them.

 

[shadow2k]

Well, that puts me in the same situation as kofi annan isnt it ?? Is there a way to find out ?? What if its really by an Israelis warplane ?? will u ready to defend the attack then ??

The UN has slapped Iran and North Korea with USA taking the lead with sanctions and resolutions becoz they did not violate any national law also with concrete proof. Thats how the things work out in real life ?

I see it as excessive force been use and escalation without any long term plan and no regard of human life. We will sanction them for killing 300++ Lebanese civilian ! Whats their worth to u ???

I believe both Iran and NK have not abided by resolutions passed by the UN. If you think it's just the US that is worried about these two nations, perhaps you should take a look around at the other nations and see what they're saying. The majority of nations are not very happy with these two. The US takes the lead, because we're always asked to...just like now.

And then when the US does something, people complain. We don't do something, people complain. The US is in a no win situation. I'm very used to people from other nations complaining about everything we do. It's pretty natural I guess. But the reasoning most of you put forth is often times not very logical, and not based on facts.

And if I could flame Kofi Annan for his statement, I would. Unfortunately, he doesn't post here.

 

[Spartan117]

I believe both Iran and NK have not abided by resolutions passed by the UN. If you think it's just the US that is worried about these two nations, perhaps you should take a look around at the other nations and see what they're saying. The majority of nations are not very happy with these two. The US takes the lead, because we're always asked to...just like now.

And then when the US does something, people complain. We don't do something, people complain. The US is in a no win situation. I'm very used to people from other nations complaining about everything we do. It's pretty natural I guess. But the reasoning most of you put forth is often times not very logical, and not based on facts.

And if I could flame Kofi Annan for his statement, I would. Unfortunately, he doesn't post here.

although they may be unahppy with the two nations, those other countries may not necessarily agree with the manner in which its done, and in this situation those countries have said they dont want anything done that the US is pushing foward.

simliar situation: people who are associated with gangs have weapons that can be dangerous, although different non gang memeber people agree they shouldnt have weapons, and now this other non gang member(chosen to stop this threat) begins to threaten the family of gang member people and kills a few, in order to get the gang members weapons or to stop the gang memeebr threat...


those other poeple dont agree the way the situation was handled or the method it was done in but however did agree inthe beginning that it was not best of the gang memeber had weapons or were a threat...

i think this a "logical" response... i disagree with what you say concerning this

 

[Leatherneck]

You are singing my song Shadow, how many foriegn flags have you seen burnt in the US? I'm sure there has been a couple somewhere but I haven't seen it. You see the US flag being burnt every day around the world, but since we are capitalist thats good that mean flag sales and exports go up ... burning pictures of Bush and all that CRAP .... yep pretty much makes me want run over there and give them a hug and say oh I understand.
If we do something, we trying to run the world ...
If we don't we don't care ...
If we use force it's to much force and we're pickin on small weaker countries and trust me we have far more than we use regardless of what the lefties wackos say.
What ever we do its wrong ... yeah boo flippin hoo and whooptie-do. We're use to it, just get sick of hearing the same crap over and over. Go worry about Korea and Iran, someone else can handle it, we'll stay here and watch it on news and say ... did you see that Iran bombed who .. where oh well not my problem.

 

[Ramius75]

I believe both Iran and NK have not abided by resolutions passed by the UN. If you think it's just the US that is worried about these two nations, perhaps you should take a look around at the other nations and see what they're saying. The majority of nations are not very happy with these two. The US takes the lead, because we're always asked to...just like now.

And then when the US does something, people complain. We don't do something, people complain. The US is in a no win situation. I'm very used to people from other nations complaining about everything we do. It's pretty natural I guess. But the reasoning most of you put forth is often times not very logical, and not based on facts.

And if I could flame Kofi Annan for his statement, I would. Unfortunately, he doesn't post here.

And the really funny thing is, Both Iran and North Korea developing of nuclear weapons is more politics than actually using it to kill ppl. Unlike what Israel is doing now with 300++ more blood on their hands.

It not about doing things or not doing things, its doing the RIGHT thing that matters. China has been a strong country now and before in the past. It has a very isolated foreign policy. Using more soft power than hard military. And only veto 4 times in the UN wile abstain from most of it.

My complain is simple. Why was Israel not condemn for killing so many civilians ? And still allow to kill more ? With the cease fire prolong 1 more day, more ppl will die in the process. Whats justice for them ?

 

[amadeus]

And the really funny thing is, Both Iran and North Korea developing of nuclear weapons is more politics than actually using it to kill ppl.

You've got to stop drinking that imported Malaysian water, I think it's giving you the crazies.

We won't know what Iran or North Korea's objectives are until they're fully able to successfully deploy a nuclear weapon.

 

[Spartan117]

You've got to stop drinking that imported Malaysian water, I think it's giving you the crazies.

We won't know what Iran or North Korea's objectives are until they're fully able to successfully deploy a nuclear weapon.

although i think north korea may be looking for a fight, but i heard somewhere the best defense is to possess nuclear weapons...scare off everybody, in that case a country doesnt even have to use them

 

[McManus]

I think our foreign minister put it quite well... "it seems that Israels precision strikes are hitting everything else except Hizbollah targets.."