What will the next DLC have?

[Thormodr]

I have always wanted to see the Innu in Civ.

Obviously they'd have a starting bias in Tundra/Ice. It would help fill up the map and make it less likely that other Civs would have the disadvantage of starting there.

They could easily add new terrain like polynya, eskers, etc. It would definitely make tundra and the arctic regions more interesting.

They could also add new resources like seals, caribou or muskoxen to help with the food disadvantage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polynya

http://www.thelon.com/camp2.htm

I am sure many people will pooh pooh the idea but Civ should be about historical what ifs. It's much more interesting in my opinion than adding yet another European civ or another Eastern Asia civ.

 

[Menzies]

I have always wanted to see the Innu in Civ.

Obviously they'd have a starting bias in Tundra/Ice. It would help fill up the map and make it less likely that other Civs would have the disadvantage of starting there.

They could easily add new terrain like polynya, eskers, etc. It would definitely make tundra and the arctic regions more interesting.

They could also add new resources like seals, caribou or muskoxen to help with the food disadvantage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polynya

http://www.thelon.com/camp2.htm

I am sure many people will pooh pooh the idea but Civ should be about historical what ifs. It's much more interesting in my opinion than adding yet another European civ or another Eastern Asia civ.

...another Eastern Asian civ to go with the what, 4 there are currently. Korean would actually be an interesting addition and were a big part of the region.

I don't mind this idea though, ignoring your blatant ice fetish, though being Canadian you can either love it or become a yank. Being honest I'd rather love the snow and ice than be a yank too. An addition of a civ native to cold regions would be a good addition, though there's an argument to say that's Denmark, but this is worth a go I guess.

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[Revoran]

There is no Jerusalem... Heres hoping for Israel.

I'm not sure Israel really qualifies as a civ major enough to include. They never really had a large empire, never had a large population and spent most of history getting conquered by other civilizations. Ie: Babylon, Persia, Rome, the Byzantines, the Arabs, the Crusaders/French, the Arabs again, the Ottomans, the British, the French (Napoleon), the British again ... before finally becoming their own state again. They never participated in any major wars. Their only notable contribution is culturally as Judaism is the oldest of the Abrahamic religions and all three religions hold Jerusalem to be a sacred city.

They'd probably be better served by having Jerusalem be a special city state which gives your civ +2 happiness and +2 culture/turn if you're friends, +5 happiness and +5 culture/turn if you're allies, and +8 happiness and +10 culture/turn if you own the city. Or make it a city state but with capital status so that it has to be conquered for a domination victory.

They're also not in a culture group with a limited amount of civs - ie an area where there is room for more civs where they otherwise wouldn't be important enough to be included, such as the Americas (only Aztec, Inca and Iroquois so far) and Africa (only Egypt and Songhai so far).

My top civs I'd like to see in a DLC (or preferrably expansion) are:

Maya (need more American civs)
UA: Some kind of science bonus, to reflect their understanding of the calendar?
UB: Ballcourt, which gives a large culture bonus as well as happiness (like in civ4).
UU: Holkan like in civ4

Zulu (need more African civs)
UA: Something to do with a unit positioning bonus, like +25% strength when adjacent to a friendly unit to reflect Shaka's innovative tactics and excellent generalship.
UU: Impi
UI: Kraal (these were very important to Zulu society, kind of like a better pasture. Also unique improvements rock and so far we only have two)

Majapahit/Indonesia (they have never been in civ before, had a large empire / influence across the archipelago and are an interesting cross between Siam and Polynesia)
UA: Something to do with population (Indonesia has 250 million people), or culture (it's very multi cultural), or an embarked unit bonus (but we already have a lot of those).
UU: Either a naval UU (they beat a fleet sent by Kublai Khan) or the Keris Warrior who carries a wavy sword.
UB/UI: No idea. Terrace farms are used all over indonesia to grow rice (because the islands are mostly very hilly) but the Inca already have it.

Korea (More east asian civs wouldn't hurt, and they are one of the major countries you think of when you hear "East Asia")
UA: Something to do with culture or science
UU: Turtle ship (replaces caravel, less movement and sight but much tougher and better ranged attack). We need more naval UU's in the game.
UU: H'Wacha (a cannon that fires arrows / spears) - replaces Cannon, much much better vs units, a bit worse vs cities.

Portugal (we don't really need more European civs but these guys owned a huge colonial empire before any other European civ).
UA: Naval units get +2 sight range, embarked units get +1 sight range? Any other ideas?
UU: Carrack, same speed as a Caravel but less sight range and tougher? (we need more naval UUs in the game)
UU/UI/UB: ???

Carthage
Another north African civ which would fill a space on the world map where no one currently is (Morrocco).

Ethiopian Kingdom, to add more sub-saharan African civs and a limit to Egypts southern expansion on Earth maps

Netherlands (less priority for these as we don't really need more European civs - Netherlands would have a gold bonus)
Poland-Lithuania
Austria-Hungary


Holy Roman Empire (less priority for these historical civs that are overlapped heavily by current civs)
Byzantines
Mali
Hittites
Phoenecia - imo the near east is already too crowded for these guys, but they could be interesting

More far-fetched civs:

Kongo
Australian Aborigines
Brazil / Tipi people


New City States:

Zanzibar (Why is this not already in the game? It's a famous City-State on an island off Tanzania - everyone has heard of Zanzibar)
Kinshasa - third largest city in Africa, c'mon guys
Jerusalem (maybe)
Kabul (Afghanistan capital - twice as large as Almaty)
Tashkent (this and the next two provide some cities to stick in central Asia apart from just Almaty all of them are bigger than Almaty as well)
Baku
Yerevan

 

[Sonereal]

Germany and Italy were both unified in 1871 and I doubt anyone here is questioning whether or not Germany should be in the game. Just because it existed as separate states doesn't change the fact that the Italian peninsula was distinct from Rome by the time of the Renaissance and the Renaissance is reason enough to add them.

Germany became a major political, economic, and political force in Europe and is instrumental in the two greatest wars in human history. Italy screwed around in the Balkans, lost to Ethiopia once, and was generally a weak link. Does anyone know anything about post-unification Italy beyond the fact that they were Hitler's ally that needed bailed out every other conflict? This is a reason why there was a Germany and Holy Roman Empire in CivIV but not a Rome and Italy.

 

[Lance of Llanwy]

Germany became a major political, economic, and political force in Europe and is instrumental in the two greatest wars in human history. Italy screwed around in the Balkans, lost to Ethiopia once, and was generally a weak link. Does anyone know anything about post-unification Italy beyond the fact that they were Hitler's ally that needed bailed out every other conflict? This is a reason why there was a Germany and Holy Roman Empire in CivIV but not a Rome and Italy.

You can't consider Italy as purely the political entity. Long before that, there was the geographical entity.
In any case, neither Italy nor the "Holy" "Roman" "Empire" should be in a civilization game.

Edit: No...maybe Italy. But never a vague political entity that was nearly entirely German. We already have a one civ for the Germans.

 

[Morningcalm]

I don't think the Hwacha should replace the Cannon for the Koreans, as they used both cannons and hwacha during the Imjin Wars against the Japanese samurai of Toyotomi Hideyoshi (late 1500's). Maybe a treb replacement? Or a unique unit that doesn't replace anything. Or is that too OP. O_o

I would LOVE to see the Majahapit in the game, they are truly worthy, and having an East Asian naval nation would spice things up quite a bit. The Majahapit were also very unique culturally and their legacy continues today!

 

[anandus]

You can't consider Italy as purely the political entity. Long before that, there was the geographical entity.
In any case, neither Italy nor the "Holy" "Roman" "Empire" should be in a civilization game.

Edit: No...maybe Italy. But never a vague political entity that was nearly entirely German. We already have a one civ for the Germans.

In Civ4 it's leader was a Frenchman if I remember well. Or to be more precise a Frank.

That's the interesting thing about the HRE, although it comprised largely of German kingdoms, especially in later years, it also had Italian, French and lots of other European states under it's territory.
The one big argument one can give against the HRE is that it never really was a state of itself (as far as I know).
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Which brings up the rumour:
Will Sumer and the Hittites be new civs for in the game? And if so, any guesses for their UA/UU/UB?
Enkidu for Sumer again? (although I've always found that a bit weird, as far as I know Enkidu was Gilgamesh's helper, not a type of soldier).

And a leader for the Hittites, maybe Suppiluliuma? As if Hamekameha wasn't enough of a tongue-breaker?

 

[nokmirt]

...another Eastern Asian civ to go with the what, 4 there are currently. Korean would actually be an interesting addition and were a big part of the region.

I don't mind this idea though, ignoring your blatant ice fetish, though being Canadian you can either love it or become a yank. Being honest I'd rather love the snow and ice than be a yank too. An addition of a civ native to cold regions would be a good addition, though there's an argument to say that's Denmark, but this is worth a go I guess.

A yank, what exactly is a yank? I know what an Aussie is but whats a yank?

In English-speaking countries outside the United States, especially in Britain, Australia, Canada,[22] Ireland,[23] and New Zealand, Yankee, almost universally shortened to Yank, is used as a derogatory, playful or colloquial term for Americans.

In certain Commonwealth countries, especially Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, Yank has been in common use since at least World War II, when hundreds of thousands of Americans were stationed in Britain, Australia and New Zealand. Depending on the country, Yankee may be considered mildly derogatory.

Hey, I'm a bloody yank from Connecticut, how'd that be? Descended from those who whipped the British twice as I recollect!

I think the Sioux should be added as a dlc. We need another North American Indian group.

 

[Thormodr]

...another Eastern Asian civ to go with the what, 4 there are currently. Korean would actually be an interesting addition and were a big part of the region.

I don't mind this idea though, ignoring your blatant ice fetish, though being Canadian you can either love it or become a yank. Being honest I'd rather love the snow and ice than be a yank too. An addition of a civ native to cold regions would be a good addition, though there's an argument to say that's Denmark, but this is worth a go I guess.

Any particular reason for the American bashing?

Just curious as it had absolutely nothing to do with what I posted.

Plus, blatant ice fetish?

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[lolno]

Another East Asian civ? There are only three, are there not? China, Mongolia, Japan. And the Thais are not East Asian by any stretch of the imagination.

I would LOVE to see the Majahapit in the game, they are truly worthy, and having an East Asian naval nation would spice things up quite a bit. The Majahapit were also very unique culturally and their legacy continues today!

They are Southeast Asian

 

[killmeplease]

are they western asian?

 

[Revoran]

A yank, what exactly is a yank? I know what an Aussie is but whats a yank?



Hey, I'm a bloody yank from Connecticut, how'd that be? Descended from those who whipped the British twice as I recollect!

I think the Sioux should be added as a dlc. We need another North American Indian group.

I don't agree with that guy's tone and use of "yank" which was really unnecessary - but you guys can't really take credit for winning the Revolutionary War, it was basically a combination of French support and British disinterest/lack of public support that ensured the US became a sovereign nation - without that you guys might still be a British Dominion today (ala Canada, Australia and New Zealand).

Also the British didn't consider you guys an important enough colony to spend money and resources on a cross continental war - compared to richer/more profitable holdings in India / Africa. Obviously in the long run this was a massive herp derp on their part.

Sioux would definately be cool, though they wouldn't be my main priority, i'd like to see Korea, Majapahit, Portugal, Maya, Zulu before others.

 

[anandus]

Offtopic:
I didn't even know Americans found 'yank' offensive or derogatory.
Here in Holland Americans are often referred to as yanks. Without any negative meaning, just as another word for 'American'. And it would probably encompass Canadians as well.
Although it is a bit ironic that the Dutch sometimes use it for Americans, as it derives from a Dutch name, Jan-Kees. (For instance, our finance minister is called Jan Kees de Jager). But that's probably the British influence here in Holland (lots of Brits work here as seasonal laborers).
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Ontopic:
I'm really curious what the scenario for the Koreans will be (scenario 5?).
The Imjin War is a perfect showcase, though, if the Korean UU's will be the H'wacha and the Turtle Ship.
I believe (though not sure) both were used in this war.

 

[Revoran]

[...Majapahit] Another East Asian civ? There are only three, are there not? China, Mongolia, Japan. And the Thais are not East Asian by any stretch of the imagination.

They are Southeast Asian

I guess, but then I could also say Mongolia is north Asian, and you could say Persia and India are southern Asian and Babylon, Ottomans, Arabia are western asian, Almaty (capital of Kazakstan greatest exporter of potassium!). Where do the divisions end?

At any rate, we have a Middle Eastern/African culture group (which determines your city graphic and Settler graphic), an Asian culture group (which includes India), a European culture group (including America), an American/South American culture group (Includes Iroquois). There is also Polynesia who has a reskin of the Asian cities.

I think he was talking in those general broad terms.

 

[Dragonflow]

A scenario where you have to defend Korea from invading Samurai would be great. That way the Hwacha and Turtleship could be showcased pretty well, if they are the Korean UU.

 

[vonbach]

Holy Roman Empire. Give me Charlemagne! The Dutch would be nice too.
The Celts are a must have.

 

[nokmirt]

I don't agree with that guy's tone and use of "yank" which was really unnecessary - but you guys can't really take credit for winning the Revolutionary War, it was basically a combination of French support and British disinterest/lack of public support that ensured the US became a sovereign nation - without that you guys might still be a British Dominion today (ala Canada, Australia and New Zealand).

Also the British didn't consider you guys an important enough colony to spend money and resources on a cross continental war - compared to richer/more profitable holdings in India / Africa. Obviously in the long run this was a massive herp derp on their part.

Sioux would definately be cool, though they wouldn't be my main priority, i'd like to see Korea, Majapahit, Portugal, Maya, Zulu before others.

The word yank does not really bother me. We all have our choice nicknames for each other. When it all comes down to it, we'd all stick up for each other, of course with a lot of good humor.

I agree with your points about the American Revolution, all of that did have a part to play. However, the British were really having financial issues at this point, after paying for several colonial wars. Also, keep in mind that the British were far more interested in North America than you think. They were not stupid, and certainly knew the potential of the continent. In fact, they had already put forth divisions of land grants to be distributed after the defeat of the colonials, and plans to break through the frontier to link up with the Mississippi, which was to be a new Kings highway.

As far as defeating the British, I would say a lot was due to French help (Also, Spain, and the Netherlands), but most of the blood spilled, was spilled by Americans not French. We learned to fight properly after Valley Forge (trained by a Prussian, no less, Friedrich Wilhelm von Steuben), and in the south our tattered militias did keep Cornwallis by and by, very close to his tea service. Cornwallis should have been reinforced properly by Clinton. Those two, militarily, had a very dysfunctional relationship. I believe, that if the British were not involved in a world war at the time, and their supply lines were not continually at risk from Dutch and Spanish naval attacks, they most likely would have been able to win the American Revolution.

I would not say the British were uninterested in the war (many would have much to gain with a victory), public opinion was against them, because Americans were brethren, and conditions for the less fortunate in England were very precarious indeed. At this point the cards were just stacked against the British Empire.

As far as civilizations go, Korea is a very good choice. Whoever they choose will be fine by me. I just hope they improve the AI's naval capability if there is a patch to go along with the DLC.

 

[Germnoble]

Celtics
Leader: Vercingetorix
Unique Ability: Wild Beasts - No defined ranks confuse enemies in Combat leading to a bonus for the initial attack.
Unique Building: Fortification (replaces wall) - Cities gain +2 defense. (Celtics loved building walls)
Unique Unit: Mercenaries (Replaces swordsman) - Can be "Auctioned" to other nations giving you a lot of gold.
Scenario: War of the Gauls.

Gaelics
Leader: William Wallace
Unique Ability: Wickerman - see Unique unit.
Unique Building: ???, possibly a Braveheart type unique unit in it's place.
Unique Unit: Druid - (Replaces warrior, erects a wickerman after his last kill which keeps barbarians from spawning in a certain distance and demoralizes, read: lowers stats slightly, of the next enemy you fight. Upon the next death the wickerman is moved to wear the last kill was.
Scenario: War of Scottish independance.

Canada
Leader: John A. McDonald
Unique Ability: Peacekeeper - Can move through other Civs territory without open borders.
Unique Building: Parlament - Culture bonus.
Unique Unit: Mountie - Replaces Cavalry, suffers no penalty to other mounted units.
Scenario: War of 1812.

 

[Pouakai]

Sorry, but you think Canada will be the next DLC?

 

[mbkkbm]

Germnoble, great idea, but I really think you made Canada's ability too powerful. It would be a free spy session, until you declared war. Even if it was added, it would have to be immediately nerfed.