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What would happen... IF

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So there I was, watching the news about Hurricane Frances with all it's high-speed winds, and for some reason (very bored I guess), this came to mind, and I wondered what people think would happen...

What would happen, IF - you were in an F-15 Eagle, flying twice the speed of sound (aka Mach 2), and you flew directly into the funnel cloud of a tornado. Let's say, it's an 'F3' (scale goes 1 through 5) - basically a typical, good, standard tornado.

Keep in mind, the F-15 is rated at Mach 2.5"+" (they still haven't revealed what it can really do)... and is a very sturdy aircraft... so we have some room to play with in terms of max speed/ winds the airframe can take.

Would the shock of such supersonic forces 'stun' the tornado? The F-15 would charge right through, and the tornado would be disrupted - and it would break up? Or would it resume once the totally unharmed Eagle went on it's way?

Or... would the F-15 have a sudden change of direction, say entering the funnel at a heading of 360 degrees, and exit at a heading of 45, or 90 degrees?

Or... perhaps it would change heading by 45 degrees as it hit on side of the funnel.. go through the 'eye' and then revert back to it's original heading after going through the 'other' side of the tornado?

Or... would the F-15 get completely sucked up into the funnel, and become a large piece of debris that would land in someone's yard?

Or... would the F-15 completely breakup immediately after entering the funnel, suffering sudden catastrophic stresses to the airframe?

Or... would the aircraft yaw suddenly upon hitting the strong winds, start to spin a little but still have enough speed and energy to pass though and recover on it's way?

Or... not quite recover upon exit... and the pilot bails out?

...

Personally, I think the plane would make it. I mean, mach 2 is REALLY fast, you know. I think it would cut through that tornado, and come out the other side. I think certain parts of the airframe might suffer some stress fractures, and the whole thing would need to be looked over by the maintenance crew... but it would fly back to base safely...

Discuss... :cool: :lol:
 
I have a feeling that it would be moving so fast, the tornado wouldn't have time to touch it.

Or it would be torn into a thousand million pieces.
 
First off, it cannot sustain a speed of Mach 2.5 for long. It's cruising speed is, I think, under Mach 1 ... if rocketting at Mach 2.5 against strong winds, you are presumably intending to ditch it at sea? :p

The G Force which the airframe can sustain is negligeable, because the pilot will pass out long before the airframe breaks... with one possible, but rare, exception...

I don't know how the plane would react with it's nose on one end of the eye, and it's tail on the other. However, there stands a fair chance that the tail wings would be ripped off, as this has happened to similar fighters such as a F111A with far less abuse.

In any event, I'm sure you would create some "extremely novel combat maneuvres" ;)
 
My guess is that sometimes it would make it through, and sometimes it wouldn't. Although I would bet that it would.
 
There's only one way to find out, gentlemen.

The F-15 is an expensive plane; there are supersonic fighter craft that we could acquire from the Ruskies for far less, or. We'll need to pool around 30 million to cover all the costs. Who's in?
 
SeleucusNicator said:
There's only one way to find out, gentlemen.

The F-15 is an expensive plane; there are supersonic fighter craft that we could acquire from the Ruskies for far less, or. We'll need to pool around 30 million to cover all the costs. Who's in?

Hmm...I'd be in, but I don't think a few government agencies would be happy in the way I would get the funds... :scan:
 
I'll pay two bucks provided if it makes it out I get to keep it.

Now where are we talking about going through, the actual funnel or above inside the cloud?
 
isn't their a down draft that occurs when a tornado does? wouldn't it just be forced to land?

If it were possible for it to fly through the tornado it would be broken to pieces. If not by the winds of the tornado then by the large chucks of debri that makes a tornado visible in the first place
 
Shadylookin said:
If it were possible for it to fly through the tornado it would be broken to pieces. If not by the winds of the tornado then by the large chucks of debri that makes a tornado visible in the first place
We'd assume that it would be just dust and dirt, but still it's likely that that would do some serious engine damage.

As per the downdraft, that is incorrect, the tornado is an updraft.
 
Is that aircraft carrying a nuclear missile? I would just LOVE to see just how a nuclear explosion can affect the storm. (It would also be good for scientific study :) )
 
I always wondered what would happen if you detonated a big nuke in the middle of the eye of a huge hurricane... hmmm :mischief:

We'll need some extra funding for this second project... :p
 
PantheraTigris2 said:
I always wondered what would happen if you detonated a big nuke in the middle of the eye of a huge hurricane... hmmm :mischief:

We'll need some extra funding for this second project... :p

Very fast radioactive winds, mixed with radioactive rain.
 
I think it'd break up on touching it, regardless of speed. My guess is it's a lot of force the plane has to endure and couldn't take even for that short time.
 
Erm... I have reservations about the thermo-nuclear peripheral.

It wouldn't cost $30m because that price includes loads of redundancy and equipment not required, but I doubt you will find one for private sale. You might have to nick it ;)

The Ruskies do indeed have some cheap solutions, like the MiG-25 (Foxbat) which does in excess of Mach 3. However, there is no pilot ejection system, so it's gonna be hard to find someone foolhardy enough to pilot it :lol:

You might get lucky and find one, using a metal detector, burried beneath the sands of Iraq. As demonstrated by the US Army in this picture..

300px-MiG-25_Foxbat.jpg
 
stormbind said:
The Ruskies do indeed have some cheap solutions, like the MiG-25 (Foxbat) which does in excess of Mach 3. However, there is no pilot ejection system, so it's gonna be hard to find someone foolhardy enough to pilot it
No problem. All we have to do is hire Muslim pilots and tell them the tornado is Jewish. We wont need ejection seats.
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stormbind said:
Erm... I have reservations about the thermo-nuclear peripheral.

It wouldn't cost $30m because that price includes loads of redundancy and equipment not required, but I doubt you will find one for private sale. You might have to nick it ;)

The Ruskies do indeed have some cheap solutions, like the MiG-25 (Foxbat) which does in excess of Mach 3. However, there is no pilot ejection system, so it's gonna be hard to find someone foolhardy enough to pilot it :lol:

You might get lucky and find one, using a metal detector, burried beneath the sands of Iraq. As demonstrated by the US Army in this picture..

300px-MiG-25_Foxbat.jpg


at mach 3 there is no point in an ejection seat
 
Shadylookin said:
at mach 3 there is no point in an ejection seat
:lol:

That doesn't mean there is no point in having one in the plane.
 
Perfection said:
I'll pay two bucks provided if it makes it out I get to keep it.

trying to raise an Air force huh Perfection? :p

@PantheraTigris2: A hurricane has no real mass and is just wind. A nuke wouldn't do anything.
 
stormbind said:
The Ruskies do indeed have some cheap solutions, like the MiG-25 (Foxbat) which does in excess of Mach 3. However, there is no pilot ejection system, so it's gonna be hard to find someone foolhardy enough to pilot it :lol:

Yeah but you can say goodbye to those engines. As whenever it does Mach3 those engines burn out and have to be replaced.
 
Hey, here's something I didn't think of... maybe the engines would/could possibly stall? Or they might just be disrupted in some minor way... but quickly recover? Hmmm...

Looks like 158-206 mph is what the winds would be in the 'F3' tornado, according to the Fujita scale.

But hey... why not go for an F5?? 261-318 mph...

Hmmm, perhaps we should just take a scientific approach... and do the F1 first, then the F2, etc... and see at what F-level 'problems' occur (if any/ever)

Yes... fascinating, Captain.... *raises eyebrow*
 
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