When did feminism go completely crazy?

[BvBPL]

The problem is that feminism almost always seems to focus on women's issues....

I've seriously never seen a feminist discuss one single issue that affects men.

A social movement founded and designed to deal with women's issues is faulty because it doesn't address men's issues.

What a load of cow pies.

 

[Arwon]

Wait, people still defend known dickhead Richard Dawkins on charges of being a dickhead? Huh.

 

[caketastydelish]

Sure, but whenever men try to discuss their own issues lots of feminists try to shut them down.

 

[Traitorfish]

Sure, but whenever men try to discuss their own issues lots of feminists try to shut them down.

When men try to crowbar their own issues into discussions of women's issues, sure, but what do you expect? If men want to discuss men's issues, they need to find their own spaces and start their own discussions. As much as I understand the desire to find a sympathetic female ear, we can't expect women to hold our hand's through this stuff.

Ah, so feminists hate Dawkins.

Everybody hates Dawkins.

 

[BvBPL]

I haven't read any of Dawkins' books, and have only seen a few of his videos. How is urging people to examine the evidence before making up their minds what they want to believe being a "militant atheist"? Is he advocating burning churches, mosques, temples, and other places of worship? Is he all for burning bibles, korans, smashing statues, icons, etc.? That's how I would define "militant atheist" and people like that horrify me, because what they are really advocating is just wanton destruction.

Yes, he does advocate the smashing of icons and the destruction of churches. Not necessarily violently.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

Watch literally any youtube video he's in. He's as insufferable as Bill Maher.

I've seen some of his videos and didn't think he was insufferable at all.

Yeah, it's not like this guy's less-than-PC ravings are a secret. In the UK, that's mostly what he's known for; nobody really gives a crap about Christianity, over here, so if he makes the news, it's usually because he's said something horrible about women or Muslims or the Irish.

So far nobody's given me anything to go on other than "because I said so."

Links, or you're not going to even begin to convince me. 'Cause none of the videos I've seen support your statements.

Ah, so feminists hate Dawkins. No wonder so many atheists find themselves at odds with feminism despite no real ideological disputes between feminism and atheism.

So if I don't hate him, that means I'm not a feminist?

 

[caketastydelish]

When men try to crowbar their own issues into discussions of women's issues, sure, but what do you expect?

Nonsense, this isn't always the case. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iARHCxAMAO0

If men want to discuss men's issues, they need to find their own spaces and start their own discussions. As much as I understand the desire to find a sympathetic female ear, we can't expect women to hold our hand's through this stuff.

I honestly don't even understand what you're saying here.

Everybody hates Dawkins.

Meh

 

[sophie]

So you think you know more about the Philippines than somebody who actually lives there just because you looked up two Wikipedia pages. Nice try, but try again.

The plural of anecdote is not data. I linked to an article and a wiki page with deal decently heavily with the statistics behind rape reporting in the Philippines which in a word, is bad. Most (if not all) countries on this world deal with significant problems regarding rape reporting (or lack thereof), but the Philippines is particularly bad.

 

[Arwon]

I've seen some of his videos and didn't think he was insufferable at all.


So far nobody's given me anything to go on other than "because I said so."

Links, or you're not going to even begin to convince me. 'Cause none of the videos I've seen support your statements.


So if I don't hate him, that means I'm not a feminist?

This sorta stuff makes it really hard to give a noted old dickhead a free pass just because he used to be a decent science communicator and now is king of the internet atheists.

 

[caketastydelish]

So if I don't hate him, that means I'm not a feminist?

Not at all, in fact people like you make feminism look much better.

Anyway I read about halfway through the God Delusion and didn't find it particularly offensive.

 

[daft]

Gender roles in which male goes hunting and to war and female raises children, cooks and works around the house are thousands of years old. In the western civilization they have been changing for some time and nowadays women can obtain employment in virtually any field they choose to pursue a career in (with few exceptions perhaps) and almost comparable wages (although not yet equal on average). Society's been changing, but it can't change overnight, thousands of years of "tradition" cannot be changed just like that, in a few years, it takes time.
For all those feminists and their backers who always complain and want more I have a suggestion:
Why not travel to Iran, Saudi Arabia or other Islamist countries, see how your Feminist Ideals will get treated over there? If there's ever a war and those guys win, you'd understand that the freedoms you enjoy presently are heaven and earth compared to what it could be if things go wrong.
Wasn't it male (western) scientists who developed contraceptive pills or some of the (pleasure) toys for women's use? Maybe it's time to say thanks to those dumb and brutal males.
White males have it quite tough out there, we turn one way we are called abusers, the other way and we are called racists, it's a vicious cycle.

 

[Farm Boy]

The plural of anecdote is not data. I linked to an article and a wiki page with deal decently heavily with the statistics behind rape reporting in the Philippines which in a word, is bad. Most (if not all) countries on this world deal with significant problems regarding rape reporting (or lack thereof), but the Philippines is particularly bad.

Could you SanFrasplain this a little more thoroughly for people who live in the less privileged places of the world? I think this is probably good fruit for the browns.

 

[sophie]

Gender roles in which male goes hunting and to war and female raises children, cooks and works around are thousands of years old. In the western civilization they have been changing for some time and nowadays women can obtain employment in virtually any field they choose to pursue a career in (with few exceptions perhaps) and making comparable wages (although not yet equal on average). Society's been changing but it can't change overnight, thousands of years of "tradition" cannot be changed just like that, in a few years, it takes time.
For all those feminists and their backers who always complain and want more I have a suggestion:
Why not travel to Iran, Saudi Arabia or other Islamist countries, see how your Feminist Ideals will get treated over there? If there's ever a war and those guys win, you'd understand that what you have now is heaven compared to what it could be if things go wrong.
Wasn't it male (western) scientists who developed contraceptive pills or some of the (pleasure) toys for women's use? Maybe it's time to say thanks to those dumb and brutal males.
White males have it quite tough out there, we turn one way we are called abusers, the other way and we are called racists, it's a vicious cycle.

What exactly are you arguing here?

Could you SanFrasplain this a little more thoroughly for people who live in the less privileged places of the world? I think this is probably good fruit for the browns.

Have anything of actual substance to provide?

 

[Traitorfish]

Nonsense, this isn't always the case.
*snip*

These seems like a protest against Farrell's presence specifically, rather than against the fact that a man is talking about gender. It may have been misguided, but without context, I'm not really sure what conclusions you expect us to draw from it.

A bit of Googling suggests that the protest was organised by the International Socialists, the Canadian franchise of the Socialist Workers' Party, the UK's most notorious Trotskyist rape-cult, so I'm not sure if this is about "the feminists" or if it's about "idiot Trots ruining everything, again". Campus politics are always tricky things to untangle, like that.

I honestly don't even understand what you're saying here.

It's understandable that men who want to talk about gender issues should try to address feminists, because they seem broadly sympathetic, while a lot of men would just point and laugh. But that's not a justification for intruding into feminist spaces. If men want to engage seriously with gender issues, they have to create their own spaces and start their own discussions rather than piggy-backing on the work of women.

 

[Arwon]

Gender roles in which male goes hunting and to war and female raises children, cooks and works around are thousands of years old. In the western civilization they have been changing for some time and nowadays women can obtain employment in virtually any field they choose to pursue a career in (with few exceptions perhaps) and making comparable wages (although not yet equal on average). Society's been changing but it can't change overnight, thousands of years of "tradition" cannot be changed just like that, in a few years, it takes time.
For all those feminists and their backers who always complain and want more I have a suggestion:
Why not travel to Iran, Saudi Arabia or other Islamist countries, see how your Feminist Ideals will get treated over there? If there's ever a war and those guys win, you'd understand that what you have now is heaven compared to what it could be if things go wrong.
Wasn't it male (western) scientists who developed contraceptive pills or some of the (pleasure) toys for women's use? Maybe it's time to say thanks to those dumb and brutal males.
White males have it quite tough out there, we turn one way we are called abusers, the other way and we are called racists, it's a vicious cycle.

This is a very strange post. It honestly sounds like you're sad because feminists hurt your feelings somehow.

On the one hand you go the whole (oh so original) "things are worse in Saudi Arabia (so shut up)" thing. While also defending as tradition the values of that society, which is odd.

But then after doing the "shut up because Saudi" thing and earlier telling me that real men aren't whiny crybabies, you turn around and expect us to feel bad for people such as yourself (who also presumably don't have it as bad as women in Saudi Arabia) with hurt feelings because of feminism.

To quote both the patriarchy and paraphrase the spirit of your own posts - "eat a spoonful of concrete and harden up, mate".

 

[Manfred Belheim]

There is a few, but it mostly consists of men being terrible to other men, and I don't think we should expect women to concern themselves over-much with that stuff.

Well of course not. It's not like women interact with men or have male family members or loved ones. So why on earth should they care about issues that might see some form of harm come to men through no fault of their own.

 

[Farm Boy]

Have anything of actual substance to provide?

No Owen. I'll leave issues of substance to the supercaste.

 

[Katie Boundary]

Seven pages of responses in less than 20 hours?

<backs away slowly>

 

[Senethro]

How come the threads on racism and homophobia don't get filled with anxious white/straight people worried noone is looking out for their rights?

The male ego can be so fragile.

 

[Arwon]

How come the threads on racism and homophobia don't get filled with anxious white/straight people worried noone is looking out for their rights?

The male ego can be so fragile.

Yeah but *real men* aren't crybabies dontcha know.