Which Civ would you prefere instead of HRE?
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MagisterCultuum
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Obviously Israel. I don't really have a problem with HRE, but the game needs Israel, Ethiopia, and a southeast asian civ
thecommonnate
Theocrat
Any reason Itays in italics?
thecommonnate
Theocrat
Haha
It could be because I voted for them.
Nevermind. Gotta have Ittalian Pride.
It could be because I voted for them.
Nevermind. Gotta have Ittalian Pride.
PimpyMicPimp
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Canada 
No, I'm going to beat that horse until it resserects and comes after me.
[Edit] If Italy is added, would Italy and Rome both have the same capital city name? I don't know if that's a good enough reason not to include a civ, but I wonder how they would manage that. Maybe, Old Rome and New Rome?
No, I'm going to beat that horse until it resserects and comes after me.
[Edit] If Italy is added, would Italy and Rome both have the same capital city name? I don't know if that's a good enough reason not to include a civ, but I wonder how they would manage that. Maybe, Old Rome and New Rome?
ParkCungHee
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Venice?Canada
No, I'm going to beat that horse until it resserects and comes after me.
[Edit] If Italy is added, would Italy and Rome both have the same capital city name? I don't know if that's a good enough reason not to include a civ, but I wonder how they would manage that. Maybe, Old Rome and New Rome?
Dunno.
Still, its very annoying that the Italians have never been included.
ac196nataku
Noob
Get ready for a big read... I'm going to offer my opinion on every poll choice.
I wish I could withdraw/change my vote now...
I picked "stay with HRE", but I didn't really think about it when I did it. Now, I realize it's a pretty weak choice, but some of your alternatives would have me put HRE over them anyway!
Charlemagne is a really cool leader and all, but the HRE was never much of an "empire" or even a "country". It was pretty much a confederacy. But then again, everyone seems to think Ancient Greece was a "country" or "empire" when every city was independent and had its own laws and rulers.
Out of the other 12 or whatnot choices you picked, I only feel like three of them are warranted, and I'm not trying to be western-centric (although I am admittedly about 1000x more interested in European history, if only to figure out how it became the dominant continent).
Austria Very important country back in the day. While admittedly, the Austrian populace is very similar to the Germans (hell, I don't even consider them to be different peoples), their empires (or the German's lack of) were different. It's worth arguing on whether or not you would include -Hungary as that was more important and made A-H a world power pre-WW1, but the Hungarians were of slavic descent and a very different people, complete with their own monarch. Do you represent them in unity at the height of their power and glory? Or do you represent them seperately?
Hitties. First people to wield iron weapons. Honestly, I don't even know anything else about them, but that's pretty important in and of itself. I'm pretty sure they went out and conquered a good piece of Earth though.
Israel. Sure the country is modern (would actually be the most recently founded country in the game, correct?) but the people have been around influencing history forever.
My attempts at hating your other choices? ...
Poland. Okay, honestly, there must be something I don't know about this country if everyone really wants it in but... It has seemed so unimportant to me when you compare it to some other civs in the game. No offense meant...
Italy. Rome? What you want Mussolini to have his own country? Italy before that was all small sovereignties...
Prussia. Sure, let's get every Reich in there! Deutschland uber alles! You know with this choice with Otto and Freddy both getting moved here, this just paves the way for Hitler... Which is a second reason this would never happen.
Sweden/Denmark. Umm, this is the same ethnic identity as the Vikings. Personally, I'd rather see "The Vikings" renamed to Scandinavia, because then maybe you could have the appearance of a king from after the renaissance when Sweden was a world power again, but eh. Curious on why you didn't list Norway? Did you think they were more Viking-y?
Random African Civ. With the exception of Ethiopia, which I'm pretty sure is going to be included, I feel Mali, Ethiopia, and the Zulu represent Africa well enough compared to how much it has influenced the world so far. They are all pretty distinct cultures. You could maybe get Songhai in there, but correct me if I'm wrong (Africa is the continent I'm least familiar with) that would be a little redundant with Mali.
Polynesia. While that section of the globe is admittedly a little blank currently, has any of those islands enhanced your life?
Brazil Big country, has a distinct national identity, but how much has it influenced history outside of Brazil? Coffee exports? Sure, I would like to include another South American civ, and this is DEFINITELY the one I would pick (I don't know much about native tribes from the continent) but I think there are others that could be included first.
Venezuela. Pretty much summed it up with Brazil.
A Slavic Nation. I don't any Slavic region is large enough to be uniformly identified (hell, they are still killing each other now... Kosovo?) and historically relevant other than Hungary. Which I noted earlier, could be realistically included jointly with Austria as that entity became very powerful up until 1914.
Phew, that was long. If there one country that went unlisted I would maybe -- but definitely not before some others -- include Vietnam. they have a distinct culture and are the fourth largest identity in that region next to China, Japan, and Korea. But they are still recent and have minor (but still significant) effects on history. I'd really rather see Siam or an older kingdom from that region. I have a strong feeling a country from this region will be appearing in BtS however.
Once again, I am admittedly not very knowledable on history outside of Western Europe and the Mediterranean, so take my opinions with a grain of salt (which should of everyone's, regardless).
I wish I could withdraw/change my vote now...
I picked "stay with HRE", but I didn't really think about it when I did it. Now, I realize it's a pretty weak choice, but some of your alternatives would have me put HRE over them anyway!
Charlemagne is a really cool leader and all, but the HRE was never much of an "empire" or even a "country". It was pretty much a confederacy. But then again, everyone seems to think Ancient Greece was a "country" or "empire" when every city was independent and had its own laws and rulers.
Out of the other 12 or whatnot choices you picked, I only feel like three of them are warranted, and I'm not trying to be western-centric (although I am admittedly about 1000x more interested in European history, if only to figure out how it became the dominant continent).
Austria Very important country back in the day. While admittedly, the Austrian populace is very similar to the Germans (hell, I don't even consider them to be different peoples), their empires (or the German's lack of) were different. It's worth arguing on whether or not you would include -Hungary as that was more important and made A-H a world power pre-WW1, but the Hungarians were of slavic descent and a very different people, complete with their own monarch. Do you represent them in unity at the height of their power and glory? Or do you represent them seperately?
Hitties. First people to wield iron weapons. Honestly, I don't even know anything else about them, but that's pretty important in and of itself. I'm pretty sure they went out and conquered a good piece of Earth though.
Israel. Sure the country is modern (would actually be the most recently founded country in the game, correct?) but the people have been around influencing history forever.
My attempts at hating your other choices? ...
Poland. Okay, honestly, there must be something I don't know about this country if everyone really wants it in but... It has seemed so unimportant to me when you compare it to some other civs in the game. No offense meant...
Italy. Rome? What you want Mussolini to have his own country? Italy before that was all small sovereignties...
Prussia. Sure, let's get every Reich in there! Deutschland uber alles! You know with this choice with Otto and Freddy both getting moved here, this just paves the way for Hitler... Which is a second reason this would never happen.
Sweden/Denmark. Umm, this is the same ethnic identity as the Vikings. Personally, I'd rather see "The Vikings" renamed to Scandinavia, because then maybe you could have the appearance of a king from after the renaissance when Sweden was a world power again, but eh. Curious on why you didn't list Norway? Did you think they were more Viking-y?
Random African Civ. With the exception of Ethiopia, which I'm pretty sure is going to be included, I feel Mali, Ethiopia, and the Zulu represent Africa well enough compared to how much it has influenced the world so far. They are all pretty distinct cultures. You could maybe get Songhai in there, but correct me if I'm wrong (Africa is the continent I'm least familiar with) that would be a little redundant with Mali.
Polynesia. While that section of the globe is admittedly a little blank currently, has any of those islands enhanced your life?
Brazil Big country, has a distinct national identity, but how much has it influenced history outside of Brazil? Coffee exports? Sure, I would like to include another South American civ, and this is DEFINITELY the one I would pick (I don't know much about native tribes from the continent) but I think there are others that could be included first.
Venezuela. Pretty much summed it up with Brazil.
A Slavic Nation. I don't any Slavic region is large enough to be uniformly identified (hell, they are still killing each other now... Kosovo?) and historically relevant other than Hungary. Which I noted earlier, could be realistically included jointly with Austria as that entity became very powerful up until 1914.
Phew, that was long. If there one country that went unlisted I would maybe -- but definitely not before some others -- include Vietnam. they have a distinct culture and are the fourth largest identity in that region next to China, Japan, and Korea. But they are still recent and have minor (but still significant) effects on history. I'd really rather see Siam or an older kingdom from that region. I have a strong feeling a country from this region will be appearing in BtS however.
Once again, I am admittedly not very knowledable on history outside of Western Europe and the Mediterranean, so take my opinions with a grain of salt (which should of everyone's, regardless).
I assume you are talking about me? I also assume you know nothing about Australia.
PW90
Warlord
What a lie!
The Hungarians or even called Magyars were a nomadic tribe coming from asia. They speak a very unique language, which is very different to the slavic languages around it (like croatian, serbian or ukrainian).
The only languages I know, which are relatives of the hungarian are estonian and finish (suomi)
How can you possibly know that 76.47% of people here voted for their own country? I'm the only one on this page as far as I can see.
TheLastOne36
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Again Hungary isn't Slavic, It's a Magyar country.
And also Serbia is fighting the Albanians in Kosovo and Albanians aren't Slavic either.
And i take insult at your post stating that we're still killing each other. I don't see myself sniping some russians on the streets of poland.
PimpyMicPimp
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I'd love to see some choices that arn't in most other historic games. Mainly, Poland, Australia, and (of course), Canada! Those nations have never been done before, to my knowlege and if they have the game must not have been very big. I think it would be fun.
azzaman333
meh
They had the perfect opportunity too, with Beyond the Sword. Alas, it was not to be...
TheLastOne36
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They had the perfect opportunity too, with Beyond the Sword. Alas, it was not to be...
Because of the damned HRE.
troytheface
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Yes an odd choice indeed the Holy Roman Empire. I still wonder why not Assryia, a great war civ , or maybe start thinking a little more over the top like in the movie the 300- stretch the visual a bit and take one of those eastern european civs and have some kind of Vlad the Impaler imagery,
(gothic?) maybe a good gothic HRE will work. But still no Assryia? They could have had a Siege Engine UU with a giant bull head or something.
But i voted "another Slavic nation" on the poll.
(gothic?) maybe a good gothic HRE will work. But still no Assryia? They could have had a Siege Engine UU with a giant bull head or something.
But i voted "another Slavic nation" on the poll.
Stilgar08
Emperor
you hit the nail on the head! It's like watching the European Song Contest, where everyone is favoring it's neighbours (because there they cannot vote for themselves!)
You've got my sympathy, LastOne36, but if you're not looking from a biast point of view, Poland surely doesn't deserve to be in the game more than some other nations stated in your poll or the HRE...
sneaky
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I think the problem isn't that the Holy Roman Empire wasn't important, of course it was, it lasted for a thousand years and introduced important political and logical reforms, the real problem is that most people just aren't exited about it. They rather have an exotic civ that is located in an underrepresented part of the world or a civ that is more related to their own culture.
Personally I can agree with those reason, but objectively looking HRE was fairy important, but what set it apart from civs like Poland or Austria is Charlemagne. He certainly should be in the game and he doesn't fit Germany or France.
Personally I can agree with those reason, but objectively looking HRE was fairy important, but what set it apart from civs like Poland or Austria is Charlemagne. He certainly should be in the game and he doesn't fit Germany or France.
PimpyMicPimp
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I won't lie, I'd love Canada as a civ
But I'd be (almost) as happy with a choice like Poland or Austrailia, because it's just so different. I don't mind HRE, for that reason, but I'd rather have one of the three I've already said.Similar threads
