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Which major empire was your current area once a part of?

Discussion in 'World History' started by stfoskey12, Jun 28, 2017.

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Which empire?

  1. British

    52.0%
  2. Mongol

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  3. Russian

    1.3%
  4. Spanish

    18.7%
  5. French

    14.7%
  6. Abbasid

    5.3%
  7. Portuguese

    2.7%
  8. Habsburg/HRE

    9.3%
  9. None of the above

    14.7%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. SeekTruthFromFacts

    SeekTruthFromFacts King

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    This poll seems to omit both the American and Chinese empires, the two most powerful ones at this point in history. I know we normally complain about recentism, but they've both been around for a few centuries now.
     
  2. Arakhor

    Arakhor Dremora Courtier Moderator

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    There's a lot of empires missing and the United States certainly has not been an empire for 200 years.
     
  3. SeekTruthFromFacts

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  4. Arakhor

    Arakhor Dremora Courtier Moderator

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    Remind me which Native American nations are still active in the UN?
     
  5. SeekTruthFromFacts

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    The second sense of "empire" in the OED is:

    "An extensive territory under the control of a supreme ruler (typically an emperor) or an oligarchy, often consisting of an aggregate of many separate states or territories. In later use also: an extensive group of subject territories ultimately under the rule of a single sovereign state."

    Seems to describe the American territories in 1817 pretty well.

    None from North America, because the American empire still exists. The fact that you call them "nations", but they are excluded from the "United Nations", rather proves the point!

    The OP talked about "current areas", not "current nation states".

    But obviously this is just a silly poll - a wide range of interpretations isn't a bad thing. :goodjob:
     
  6. Colon

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    Roman Empire, Carolingian Empire, Holy Roman Empire/Spanish Habsburgs/Austrian Habsburgs, France and Germany.
     
  7. Serutan

    Serutan Eatibus Anythingibus

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    Spanish - And until 1848 Mexico was one in extent if not in name.
     
  8. JohannaK

    JohannaK Heroically Clueless

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    Well Mexico was briefly an empire just after independence.
     
  9. Lexicus

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    Of course the United States is an empire. The US military is not based and deployed all over the world for charitable reasons.
     
  10. Arakhor

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    I didn't say that it wasn't an empire now or that it wasn't a superpower, just that it certainly hasn't been in that state for 200 years.
     
  11. Lexicus

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    When do you think it became an empire, then?
     
  12. Arakhor

    Arakhor Dremora Courtier Moderator

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    Bearing in mind that I know very little about non-European history, I'd say that the Spanish-American War would probably be a good yardstick.
     
  13. MilesGregarius

    MilesGregarius Half-baked Renegade

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    I'd be tempted to consider the US an "empire" with the Louisiana Purchase, which was over 200 years ago.

    It was undoubtedly an empire with the conquest and annexation of California, Texas, et cetera during and following the Mexican War.
     
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  14. Lexicus

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    Nah, the US was waging wars of conquest well before that.
     
  15. Arakhor

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    Waging wars of conquest is usually a necessary step on the way to an empire, but it is hardly the only qualification.
     
  16. Lexicus

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    Then please, explain what qualifications the US fulfilled after the Mexican War that it didn't fulfill before.
     
  17. Arakhor

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    I'll refer you to #72.
     
  18. Vahnstad

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    I think HRE/France and even spanish... (also habsburg, roman, nazi-germany and the dutch empire).

    I live in Flanders
     
  19. Kyriakos

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    I, and other vice-regents of god on earth, demand that the Byzantine Empire becomes part of the poll :yup:
     
  20. Arakhor

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    If the Byzantines make an appearance, so would the sons of Osman. :evil:
     

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