Which television shows are you watching? Part III

[EgonSpengler]

I wonder if Camina Drummer in the show might take some of the place of Michio Pa in the books.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

I wonder if Camina Drummer in the show might take some of the place of Michio Pa in the books.

I feel like she already did in Season 3. I'm 99% sure Pa was in Book 3 and not in S3 and Drummer was the inverse of that.

Edit: I'm like 99.9999% sure because when I read book 3 after watching season 3, I kept confusing Pa for Drummer before I realized they were separate characters and the latter wasn't in the book. It was damn near the end of the book before I figured out Pa =/= Drummer

 

[EgonSpengler]

I feel like she already did in Season 3. I'm 99% sure Pa was in Book 3 and not in S3 and Drummer was the inverse of that.

Edit: I'm like 99.9999% sure because when I read book 3 after watching season 3, I kept confusing Pa for Drummer before I realized they were separate characters and the latter wasn't in the book. It was damn near the end of the book before I figured out Pa =/= Drummer

Right, Drummer was on the Behemoth, which was Pa in the book. I didn't really connect her with Pa, though, until season 4, after the scene in the airlock in episode 4 and then in episode 8 when...

Spoiler :

...Drummer tells Fred Johnson to get stuffed and quits. So we'll see if Drummer ends up taking command of the Connaught in season 5.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Haven't seen that far ahead, not reading that.

 

[Laurana Kanan]

In Nemesis Games, book 5, Bobbie is looking into MCRN equipment that's gone missing, which plays a big role in the subsequent story (huge, in fact - it's such an important plot point for what happens after Cibola Burn that I can't imagine the writers of the show leaving it out).

Finished the season last night, and in light of new developments the Mars story seems to be tracking toward this development. I still don't think how they got Bobbie to this point was particularly logical, but at least I can see now how the Mars story relates to the larger issues.

RIP

Spoiler :

Klaes Ashford

 

[Synobun]

I wonder if Camina Drummer in the show might take some of the place of Michio Pa in the books.

I feel like she already did in Season 3. I'm 99% sure Pa was in Book 3 and not in S3 and Drummer was the inverse of that.

Edit: I'm like 99.9999% sure because when I read book 3 after watching season 3, I kept confusing Pa for Drummer before I realized they were separate characters and the latter wasn't in the book. It was damn near the end of the book before I figured out Pa =/= Drummer

Right, Drummer was on the Behemoth, which was Pa in the book. I didn't really connect her with Pa, though, until season 4, after the scene in the airlock in episode 4 and then in episode 8 when...

Hobbs, I read your post before your edit and I was planning on coming back here to make that exact same comment. I watched the first three seasons at the beginning of the year and then read the books during the summer. I'm awful at remembering names so while I was reading I was all, "Pa must be the Belter lady from the show." I had no idea they were meant to be different characters. I also thought Bull in the book was Ashford in the show.

I'll say that the show makes a lot of major departures from the books. Thus far I've thought the changes are reasonable and/or equivalent to the book, so no complaints. That may change with season 4/book 4. I gave up on reading Empress and have instead switched over to reading Cibola Burn. I've already noticed two major changes between the show and book and I'm still on the second chapter.

I've found the latest season really enjoyable so far. Not boring at all. But I think I'm almost done and I'm not really sure how there can be a satisfying conclusion to the story arc in the time remaining.

My only complaint is probably Bobbie's arc. I just don't really get the point, and I only have two (?) episodes left.

 

[Laurana Kanan]

My only complaint is probably Bobbie's arc. I just don't really get the point, and I only have two (?) episodes left.

It should make a "little" more sense after you watch the finale.

 

[Synobun]

It should make a "little" more sense after you watch the finale.

Spoiler :

The only thing I can think of is that she's using the detective as a ticket to the Ring. I'll find out tonight if that ends up being the case.

 

[Laurana Kanan]

Spoiler :

The only thing I can think of is that she's using the detective as a ticket to the Ring. I'll find out tonight if that ends up being the case.

It's something else. See my post above.

 

[Synobun]

I'll report back in 12 hours then.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

I also thought Bull in the book was Ashford in the show.

ME TOO
It still confuses me to this day. Also, it makes no sense to me that he is a free man after what he pulled at the end of S3 but the belters are loose with law and order so it's not a big thing.

I'll say that the show makes a lot of major departures from the books. Thus far I've thought the changes are reasonable and/or equivalent to the book, so no complaints. That may change with season 4/book 4.

Yeah I'm half way through E3 and it already looks like they have departed pretty radically from the book. Right off the bat

Spoiler :

In the books, neither Rocinante nor Naomi were on the planet for more than a few minutes during touchdowns and liftoffs.

 

[Laurana Kanan]

Lol, you guys keep mentioning people from the books and I have no idea who you're talking about. I want to start reading them, but I'm currently trying to make my way through the first book of His Dark Materials and I fear it'll be another several weeks before I finish it.

Yeah I'm half way through E3 and it already looks like they have departed pretty radically from the book. Right off the bat

Spoiler :

In the books, neither Rocinante nor Naomi were on the planet for more than a few minutes during touchdowns and liftoffs.

Spoiler :

iirc, in the show she only stayed on the surface for a couple days before her heart started to give out on her and she spent the rest of the season on the Rocinante. Not a big difference there I guess.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

What episode is the spoiler from ? Lol I'm making no progress in watching it

 

[Laurana Kanan]

What episode is the spoiler from ? Lol I'm making no progress in watching it

Episode 4

 

[hobbsyoyo]

KK

I have made a mental note to come back to yours and others posts which contain spoilers I haven't seen yet. I've been skipping.

 

[Laurana Kanan]

A quick note - to the person in this thread (don't remember who), who posted a trailer for a British 3-part retelling of The War of the Worlds in Edwardian England; I just want to say thanks for wasting three hours of my life last week. Looked interesting, but ended up being complete rubbish.

 

[Synobun]

Finished The Expanse tonight. I was worried about how they'd wrap it up, but they actually did so in a non-stupid way.

Not... super satisfied with the Bobbie arc.

Spoiler :

She existed solely to introduce season 5. I can see why they included her, I guess, but the season could have done without her.

 

[EgonSpengler]

I also finished season 4 last night. Pretty pleased with it, all in all. I didn't dislike the story arc with Bobbie. I think maybe they didn't make it clear enough why she was doing it. Even a couple more lines of dialogue might've been enough. Having read the books, I kind of knew where things were going, and figured the show would bend back around eventually, but I wondered if a viewer who hadn't read the book would be thinking 'WTH?" The big reveal I was anticipating didn't play out the way I thought it would, but the way it was done didn't rankle me.

io9, 12/19/19 - "The Expanse showrunner talks about season 4's breakout characters and season 5's status"

There are some season 4 spoilers in the interview, but this part explains their decision to depart a little bit from the books:

io9: Between Earth, Mars, Ilus, and Medina Station, season four is split into four mostly separate stories and settings, though some connective tissue does emerge along the way. What were the challenges you faced in having to divide up the story like that?

Naren Shankar: It was a tricky season to adapt. As readers of the books will know, book four is basically entirely set on Ilus. It has nothing to do with the solar system; it’s really just like a prologue and epilogue that kind of touches on it. We didn’t want to be stuck with that version of the story, in the sense that there’s so many interesting characters that didn’t go to Ilus, and we didn’t want to just abandon them for an entire season.

How I thought Bobbie's story was going to go, but it didn't:

Spoiler :

I thought Esai was going to be an undercover, investigating the missing MCRN equipment. iirc, in the book, Bobbie starts looking into the missing equipment because she's... bored? For a while, I thought the show was actually pulling her into that in a way that made more sense. In the scene where Bobbie goes to his home and meets his family, I was like, "Aha! Here we go. He's going to tell her what he's really going on and ask her to help him." And then when Esai went ahead with the mysterious meet in the shipyard and got shot, I thought again, "Okay, now he's going to tell her what he's really been doing and ask her to take over for him." I also thought maybe the other ex-marine she was sleeping with would take some of the role that Alex played in Nemesis Games, while he was on Mars. Season 4 of the series was obviously blending parts of the two novels together, but of course Alex couldn't be in two places at once.

There was one thing in Nemesis Games that season 4 has already moved past, that plays a role later. The writers of the show could certainly come up with something else that ultimately accomplishes the same thing, I suppose.

Spoiler :

Marco Inaros' attack on the MCRN shipyard at Callisto, to steal the "stealth tech" is absent from the show. I think in the last episode, he mentions off-handedly that he's stolen the material, but not from where or how.

This matters, because in book 6, Babylon's Ashes...

Spoiler :

Filip's change of heart comes in part from meeting some of the civilian Belters who survived the attack on Callisto. During the attack, he was told they were only hurting MCRN personnel, but then later he learns that wasn't true. Naturally the writers of the show can figure out some other way for Filip to figure out who his father really is, but I was surprised they left this out. I guess they could do a flashback later *groan*.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

*$%& I really need to catch up with you guys

 

[Synobun]

*$%& I really need to catch up with you guys

The show's baller, dude. Quit your job and get to watching.