While We Wait: Part 5

What was yours? All you said was your supreme knowledge over my own about Christianity.

Dreadnought said:
And I'd like to hear your arguements. I mean real, mature ones. I could yell that East Timor has had the most historical impact of any nation, but unless I can back it up, most people would not pay attention to my arguement.

If you don't want to, or more likely don't have any, than I will just breeze over this incident, as I don't have time to have a petty "yes-no" arguement.

The ball is in your court, son. Its your move.

It's up to you. Stand up or back out. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt by asking you to express your arguements. If you do not, I will just see you as an ignorant ranter. I did not post in a thread ranting about religion. I am just challenging your opinion. Play my game or resign.
 
BTW, seriously, can anyone reccomend a FREE, small (56k-downloadable) reliable anti-virus program? What do you guys use?
 
Honestly, Luckymoose has got to be a Democrat plant in the Republican Party, it’s a deliberate misinformation attack aimed at discrediting us genuine right wingers ;)

What perhaps disappoints me most about the abortion debate is the fact that moderates on both sides who share essentially the same beliefs are drowned out by Evangelical Christians on the right and Feminists on the left et el. I don’t tend to like interfering in the personal choices of others, at all, but perhaps the general presumption when one is pregnant by accident should change, with more of onus on adoption, there are lots of people who are driven to truly desperate levels to get children something I’ve never understood...

EDIT: Daft i've always liked Lavasoft products, they tend to be downloadable on 56k... although you have to pay(?) and Spybot Search and Destroy for spyware is also useful as is AVG free, No tech arguements please!
 
BTW, seriously, can anyone reccomend a FREE, small (56k-downloadable) reliable anti-virus program? What do you guys use?

I don’t if know it’s modem friendly. But I use AVG, which is free. I have used it nine months and I have never had a problem.

http://free.avg.com/
 
Thanks very much! 46 megs is too big for me though :( (maybe 4-5 hours continuous download, probably corrupting halfway :( )
 
It's up to you. Stand up or back out. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt by asking you to express your arguements. If you do not, I will just see you as an ignorant ranter. I did not post in a thread ranting about religion. I am just challenging your opinion. Play my game or resign.

My arguments have been presented in one form or another. Worshiping a messiah from a time of a thousand messiahs is one thing, believing all these stories about Moses, Noah, Adam and Eve, it just doesn't add up to the real history of the planet, which has much more solid evidence than anything you find in your history book known as the Bible. I don't even want to get into the known facts that the Catholic and other churches purposely edited the bible to gain personal goals of the time periods which have spilled over into the modern world. Where they do not belong. Modern Christians are a complete shell of the true Christians from Jesus' time. All credibility for any church goes out the window when they begin asking for money, or demanding you appear a certain way, dictating what you do in your life and how your should view other people. All are against earlier christian and Jesus' own teachings. Adding to the fact that the original Jesus may or may not have been divine and it could all be a twist added for certain people to gain power over others in a time of superstition and ignorance. I really hate arguing this because everytime I do it turns into a hate on Luckymoose conversation.
 
Word to the wise Daft, p2p is your friend, you should be able to leave it ticking over night and in the morning it should be done with little chance of corruption... it should have a p2p link on it, it did when I got it ages upon ages ago...
 
My arguments have been presented in one form or another. Worshiping a messiah from a time of a thousand messiahs is one thing, believing all these stories about Moses, Noah, Adam and Eve, it just doesn't add up to the real history of the planet, which has much more solid evidence than anything you find in your history book known as the Bible.

First of all, those stories are all considered almost like fables, to teach a point. For example, with Noah, its a story that is telling the reader to believe in what God has to say. Adam and Eve's story tells the reader that breaking away from God and listening to the Devil has disasterous consequences. As such, the Bible stories from those sections are not meant to be taken literally.

Second of all, the Bible is not my history book, nor have I ever stated that it is. I am a believer in the Big Bang, evolution, etc.

I don't even want to get into the known facts that the Catholic and other churches purposely edited the bible to gain personal goals of the time periods which have spilled over into the modern world.

They did edit the Bible, of course, but for personal goals of the time period? That is a bit extreme. At the Council of Nicaea the need was shown to make one doctrine for the Church to build on. Of course, saying politics was involved is like saying there is air in the sky above your house - its true, but so is the rest of the world. They sat down, and realized that there were hundreds of biographies on Jesus' life. Now, saying that the four were put in for personal goals is, again, a tad bit extreme. There is no need for an average student to read a 100 different biographies about Jesus, and unfortunetly most were different in their message. Some were outright wrong. Thus, it was decided that the four gospels would be chosen because they have the same details about Jesus' life that were preached to the Gentiles.

Personally, I love researching the conspiracy theories about the Bible.

Where they do not belong. Modern Christians are a complete shell of the true Christians from Jesus' time. All credibility for any church goes out the window when they begin asking for money, or demanding you appear a certain way, dictating what you do in your life and how your should view other people. All are against earlier christian and Jesus' own teachings.

You know what, let's have a religion where you can do whatever you want and wear whatever you want. In fact, let's let the people of this religion worship whomever or whatever they want. We'll call it NES-ity.

You need to realize that any religion will require you to act and behave in a certain manner for its god, for morals and respect. You don't need to believe, and you can leave the religion. But if I am part of the religion, I agree to follow its rules because I am worshipping my god. I like the Puritan mindset: "If you don't agree, then get the hell out."

For me, I hate being told what to do by an old man in Rome. But, hey, I don't take it personally.

Adding to the fact that the original Jesus may or may not have been divine and it could all be a twist added for certain people to gain power over others in a time of superstition and ignorance.

I will give you 100 posts to prove to me that Jesus was not divine. If you can, than I will back out of this arguement.

I really hate arguing this because everytime I do it turns into a hate on Luckymoose conversation.

I am not trying to personally attack you, just your arguement about this. It's a debate, and as such I will be civil and listen to what you say, and will not hold it against you. If you act rudely and immaturely, then I would.
 
Worst IRC activity ever: singing old Britney Spears songs. Also doing the Riverdance.

GET ON IRC AND MAKE A DIFFERENCE. STOP THE MADNESS.

DO YOUR PART FOR HUMANITY.
 
I give you 100 posts to prove that South America exists.



1. Whatever I clearly and distinctly perceive to be contained in the idea of something is true of that thing.
2. I clearly and distinctly perceive that necessary existence is contained in the idea of God South America.
3. Therefore, God South America exists.


Descartes FTW!!! :p
 
I do not have the body of an alien life form in my closet. Is that a garuntee that there are absolutely no alien life forms in the galaxy? I think not.
 
What is South America, how does one have a jar of a concept, a mere line drawn on a map ;)
 
Worst IRC activity ever: singing old Britney Spears songs. Also doing the Riverdance.

GET ON IRC AND MAKE A DIFFERENCE. STOP THE MADNESS.

DO YOUR PART FOR HUMANITY.

I'll be on IRC tomorrow, assuming that I'm not about to collapse from a 6-hour plane flight.

EDIT: I lied.

Having been there I can say it does exist as I have a jar of dirt from Peru in my closet. I do not have a jar of God.

How do you know you were not in, say, Mexico?
 
What proof is there of divinity, however you wish to define it.

Do not put forth the argument that there is no proof that divinity does not exist. If you cannot provide proof of the existence of divinity or proof of the non-existence of divinity then you cannot make any valid comment on its existence or non-existence. Thus voiding both arguments for and against the existence of divinity.


@daft- AVG is awesome btw, probably the best free anti-virus out there, however they say that they will stop updating it within a year, or so i've heard.
 
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