While We Wait: Part 5

[Luckymoose]

[EDIT] Also, you're supporting a candidate you actually think might just try and do such a thing? WTH is wrong with you?

As stated previously, he isn't my pick but he is the only choice I am willing to pick in this election. Obama must not win.

 

[Symphony D.]

As stated previously, he isn't my pick but he is the only choice I am willing to pick in this election. Obama must not win.

So you're acknowledging my assumption you'd rather vote for someone who you believe would be willing to stoop so low as to kill fellow Americans to secure a victory, than his competitor.

Ladies and gentlemen, here you go. First hand proof why there's an Electoral College. 219 years ago some fine gentlemen predicted that people would be too foolish, too arrogant, too prejudiced to objectively evaluate the qualifications necessary for the highest Executive office in this land. Today, Luckymoose has proven they are absolutely correct. You disgust me both as a citizen of this country and as a free-thinking human being. Please find some way to come to harm, and please don't vote in this election. You have no right to do so, even if your opinion is going to be discounted.

We should put James Madison's face on the $10 bill instead of Alexander Hamilton's. I don't believe the man's importance can be understated.

 

[alex994]

Luckymoose lives in Georgia, it's most likely going to go Republican anyways.

 

[Symphony D.]

The specifics don't concern me. A statement like that should result in being stripped of citizenship, if it is repeatedly maintained under clarification and scrutiny.

It's not because he wants McCain elected, I don't care about that. It's that if you hold such a belief of what he would do, it is your moral obligation not to support him, as a citizen. It's like handing a loaded gun to someone you fervently believe would shoot your friend. "Well, I just couldn't let him take Carla from me." If he does, that's conspiracy. And more beyond.

Even if the assumption is completely unfounded, and nothing comes of it, it's morally reprehensible to even theoretically agree with such a thing. It's no better at all than what those sick Westborough Baptist Church people espouse. It demonstrates a complete lack of ethics. I guess I really shouldn't be surprised, but I am.

 

[silver 2039]

Fixing America so it can confront the actual "transcendant challenge" of the 21st Century instead of wearing it down and burning it out against this piddling little passing trend of Islamic terrorism is bonus points. Foreign adventurism doesn't work unless your power-base is secure and operational.

Whoa India is commie red on that map. Nice...

 

[Luckymoose]

I would rather a man or party create a false terrorist attack or warning to win an election than have to deal with a guy who will in all probability lessen our defenses for a real one.

 

[Symphony D.]

I would rather a man or party create a false terrorist attack or warning to win an election than have to deal with a guy who will in all probability lessen our defenses for a real one.

"I would rather vote for a Sheriff who murders people and then plays on public fears to secure funding for the Police Department than vote for one who plays by the books and might get the funding cut."

Man, it must be awesome operating on this kind of logic.

 

[alex994]

I would rather a man or party create a false terrorist attack or warning to win an election than have to deal with a guy who will in all probability lessen our defenses for a real one.

I don't agree with that. I don't agree or disagree with you on your claim about Obama, but I don't think that's a legitimate reason for ANY presidential candidate or a political party to create a false terrorist attack or warning.

We're a Republic, fearmongering does not bode well for good and fair elections.

 

[a_propagandist]

I would rather a man or party create a false terrorist attack or warning to win an election than have to deal with a guy who will in all probability lessen our defenses for a real one.

How would Obama weaken our defenses? FYI, I'm not an Obama fanatic; I just think he is the lesser of two evils.

 

[Luckymoose]

Man, it must be awesome operating on this kind of logic.

It totally is awesome, because that is how the world works.

How would Obama weaken our defenses? FYI, I'm not an Obama fanatic; I just think he is the lesser of two evils.

He has already said he will cut military spending, pull our troops out and do other things like that. All bad decisions.

 

[Neverwonagame3]

I think having someone who doesn't make Karl Rove look like a saint, whose own supporters don't think he's so rotten he'd kill several hundreds to thousands of his fellow citizens to cow the rest into voting for him, and someone whose running mate isn't Ted Nugent in a wig and who shares two fun facts in common with Saddam Hussein and Hugo Chavez (for those keeping score: 1. She comes from a state whose main export is oil, and 2. She's a petty, hypocritical two-bit despot who surrounds herself with cronies and loves oppressing people of different views than her own) is an awesome advantage all by itself.

Fixing America so it can confront the actual "transcendant challenge" of the 21st Century instead of wearing it down and burning it out against this piddling little passing trend of Islamic terrorism is bonus points. Foreign adventurism doesn't work unless your power-base is secure and operational.

Firstly, what evidence do you have for these power blocs existing?

Second, just because you're like somebody in one way doesn't mean you're like them in others. (All Germans aren't Adolf Hitler, for example) And whate vidence do you have that she's a two-bit despot?

Finally, where do you get the claim his fellow supporters think he would kill hundreds of thousands? Not to mention the fact it's an ad hominem argument if he wouldn't actually.

 

[Masada]

Where is the evidence you exist?

 

[silver 2039]

Firstly, what evidence do you have for these power blocs existing?

Second, just because you're like somebody in one way doesn't mean you're like them in others. (All Germans aren't Adolf Hitler, for example) And whate vidence do you have that she's a two-bit despot?

Finally, where do you get the claim his fellow supporters think he would kill hundreds of thousands? Not to mention the fact it's an ad hominem argument if he wouldn't actually.

No one's impressed by the fact that you started taking philosophy 101 and learned a bunch of fallacy's and logical structures.

 

[Symphony D.]

How would Obama weaken our defenses? FYI, I'm not an Obama fanatic; I just think he is the lesser of two evils.

When you don't threaten to constantly bomb people and give them a reason to build up their militaries? You're weakening America!

When you minimize ground presence in the enemy's home territory and don't try and fight conventional wars with unconventional enemies, instead using appropriate tools like special forces? You're weakening America!

When you vote for somebody who has an abysmal voting record on defense and Veteran's benefits? You're strengthening America!

When you vote for somebody who has stood with the incumbent 90% of the time on a program that has resulted in mediocre security gains? And that guy was in favor of outsourcing defense contracts to people who have been quibbling about returning to selling arms to China? You're strengthening America!

Oh, yeah--the same guy who delayed the replacement of the sole method of global power projection for the United States Air Force while the airframes fell to pieces, because "the Bill had earmarks"? You're strengthening America!

When your own intelligence analysts predict military power "will 'be the least significant' asset in the increasingly competitive world of the future, because 'nobody is going to attack us with massive conventional force'," voting for a guy who believes in going in guns ablaze first? You're strengthening America!

 

[a_propagandist]

He has already said he will cut military spending, pull our troops out and do other things like that. All bad decisions.

What are you smoking? Do you think our military spending needs to be around $450 billion? How does the war in Iraq decrease terrorism?

 

[Symphony D.]

Firstly, what evidence do you have for these power blocs existing?

Gee, I don't know. Vast numbers of international relations, including economic deals, things like the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, Russia trying to assassinate the current Ukrainian President when he ran because he sought ties with the West, Russia and China doing military exercises together, massive Chinese investment in Africa, the alliance of Cuba, Venezuela, Iran, and North Korea in opposition to America? Massive Russian arms sales to Iran?

I can go on and on, and I could cite you evidence, or you could open any given search engine or even Wikipedia and find most of it yourself if you could be bothered to stay abreast of the global situation.

And whate vidence do you have that she's a two-bit despot?

Dunno. I just make all this stuff up, you know?

Finally, where do you get the claim his fellow supporters think he would kill hundreds of thousands? Not to mention the fact it's an ad hominem argument if he wouldn't actually.

So, I take it you haven't read all the posts right around yours because you were so busy thinking of these questions? Luckymoose is admittedly one individual. However, if the Internet teaches us anything, it's that if one person somewhere believes something...

It totally is awesome, because that is how the world works.

Do you agree with the Sheriff analogy I just made? I don't want to see anything else in response but "Yes," or "No," and whatever else you have to insert to pad the character limit.

 

[silver 2039]

Firstly, what evidence do you have for these power blocs existing?

Second, just because you're like somebody in one way doesn't mean you're like them in others. (All Germans aren't Adolf Hitler, for example) And whate vidence do you have that she's a two-bit despot?

Finally, where do you get the claim his fellow supporters think he would kill hundreds of thousands? Not to mention the fact it's an ad hominem argument if he wouldn't actually.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...IIr&q=Russia-China-India+Alliance&btnG=Search

Just look at those results.

 

[Neverwonagame3]

1- The war in Iraq is a diversion from targets elsewhere.
2- They're actually going fairly well at the moment.
3- If I didn't exist, why would the account Neverwonagame3 be NESing?
4- I thought Symphony D would be smart enough to know them.
5- Europe isn't exactly on America's side, but buying arms from neutrals is sometimes appropriate.
6- I'll check the other points out later if I have time.

EDIT: Two posts happened after mine. Responding to them in edits.

7- O.K, the power blocs probably exist.
8- Perhaps that's true.

 

[Luckymoose]

No, it's a different thing.

 

[a_propagandist]

What kind of argument is, "the war in Iraq is a diversion...?" If it only takes isolated cells of a few dozen people to commit atrocities such as 9/11, do you really think a war can tie up every possible terrorist in combat?