While We Wait: Part 5

[carmen510]

I just got BBC's Planet Earth for Blu-Ray. It has some really beautiful images. Although the Caves part is a tad disgusting with the bat dropping and cockroaches and such.

 

[Thlayli]

That show is really cool.

My personal favorite is the Jesus lizard.

 

[Dachs]

Das did get it.... I was referring more about the international relations aspect of Clausewitz, not the military side of things...

That sounds to me like taking issue with the biology side of Einsteinian theory.

With the International Relations sides of things, Clausewitz does leave a lot to be desired and he takes a very 'realist' postion, in so far that he goes on about how states look after only their own immediate interests. As a student of the interdependence theory of study in International Relations, such a view is the natural antithesis to my own, as I believe that there are times when a nation will do something against their immediate interests in the effort of taking the long view and working in co-operation with others....

That sounds like you're reading far too much into what he has to say. Von Clausewitz states first and foremost that the book is on military theory, and the definition of war and its conduct; his contention is that the State runs the military, not vice versa (he makes the oft-heard metaphor of it being as absurd as the tool deciding its own task), and so the military really oughtn't be concerned with the operation of the State's diplomatic apparatus, until the State tells them that they will or will not be fighting a war and what the objectives and parameters ought to be.

In any event, I don't see how you would have read that I was attempting an argument based on von Clausewitz's international relations aspect from a comment on his theories on the genesis of total war and the nation's motivation to fight when already in war.

As to Realist international relations theory, I think that the modern realists are almost absurdly out of touch in many ways, overestimating the flexibility of most other nations and proposing such odd plans as 'pragmatic' alliances with Iran and Japan against the framework of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization. The silly goons need to return to their own original principles...they're as bad as the previously-mentioned Nihilists, betraying the very meaning of their name...

Globalisation is often cited as a point in favour of interdependence theory.

Globalization is more complex than just that.

 

[Symphony D.]

Ah yes, how nice of you to bring up my stoned ravings on a instant messenger on numerous occasions back over 2 years ago!!!!

And your stoned ravings on the forum. So dude, you were stoned for four months solid? It's amazing you're still alive.

To straighten things out for you to understand, I was at the time offered a PhD postion at the university I was attending, which I then turned down to explore other opportunities (that and my buisness investments were taking off), I have since realised that I do want to do this, and thus going back to university as of March next year.

Yeah, I don't know how the universities are structured down in crazy Australia, but you need a Masters to get a Doctorate. And you aren't a Doctor until you have a Doctorate. Now, see, you claimed to hold a Ph.D. Not the opportunity at a position, the actual degree. Twice. With four months of separation between the claims. That does not mean a Ph.D's position. It means having a Doctorate. Which you must have a Masters to do. The same Masters you are now pursuing.

If you're going to lie, don't suck at it.

Which is all besides the point in this discussion... Has anyone else every really realised how Symphony D changes the subject when he is on the verge of being shown wrong, just so he wont be forced to admit it?

I wasn't in this discussion (casual observation will note you had long since switched to debating Dachspmg over Clausewitz). Epic fail.

To me this seems more like the actions of an angry, socialy-isolated and bright child that has yet been forced to face up to the harsh realities of life and personal relationships. Of course I could be wrong, and for Symphony's sake I hope I am, but if I am not I feel really sorry for you. Now are we going to quit living in the past and resolve the issue at hand?

Oh ho, look, internet pop psychology to defame one's opponent. I'm just calling you out as being a pathological liar now that you've gone and lost your e-lie post-it notes. I don't really care about the past. I just want to make it clear that nobody should bother listening to you right now, in the present.

 

[Sheep]

@Symphony, get over it I was stoned... And yet being stoned for four months striaght is nothing out of the ordinary for me.... It just so happens that being stoned doesnt mean I cant think, it just means that I dont give a %@$! about what I say to punk kids I aint going to meet. Oh and I also notice that you didnt actually say anything about Clausewitz, so why dont you return to the real topic instead of once again trying to change the subject into something of 'What this guy said 2 years ago!'

@Dasch, I understand that looking at Clausewitz from an international relations view is not what he intended, but as a student of that field its the view I will immediatley take. As for realists, I agree exactly and as for globalisation, I know but didnt want to launch into another lengthy discussion, just merely stating that Interdependence theory often cites as the globalisation phenomenon as a reason why its teachings are better. I take it you know somewhat of the theories for International Relations?

 

[Dachs]

Okay, that's it. Time to PM Thunderfall to change my name again.

@Dasch, I understand that looking at Clausewitz from an international relations view is not what he intended, but as a student of that field its the view I will immediatley take.

Just seems kinda silly, is all, considering the context of the remark. But okay.

As for realists, I agree exactly and as for globalisation, I know but didnt want to launch into another lengthy discussion, just merely stating that Interdependence theory often cites as the globalisation phenomenon as a reason why its teachings are better. I take it you know somewhat of the theories for International Relations?

Somewhat. I reads my Foreign Affairs and go to classes, and so forth. It's my major, after all.

 

[Symphony D.]

It just so happens that being stoned doesnt mean I cant think, it just means that I dont give a %@$! about what I say to punk kids I aint going to meet.

Just like you don't mind taking credit for other people's timelines when you're sober?

Oh and I also notice that you didnt actually say anything about Clausewitz, so why dont you return to the real topic instead of once again trying to change the subject into something of 'What this guy said 2 years ago!'

Yeah see I don't think you get it. I don't care about Clausewitz. I just want to demonstrate that your supposed authority in discussing him--or anything really--is vapid, particularly when you've gone out of way your way to discredit yourself in such extraordinary fashions by being a liar and a thief.

 

[Sheep]

Somewhat. I reads my Foreign Affairs and go to classes, and so forth. It's my major, after all.

Sorry about the name, old habits die hard.... Given that would love to have a discussion one day on international relations if we could ever find the time... Do find other people's perspectives intersting somewhat.

Oh and Symph, I downloaded that timeline months ago, and added to it... Forgot who wrote it... Still doesnt mean the minute you saw I wasnt wrong in what I was saying about Clausewitz you changed the subject and began dredging things up from the stoned past in attempt to discredit me and thus avoid the point of having to admit you were wrong in attacking me for my comments on this thread.

Mate get over yourself, I am just going to ignore ya from now on, you are simply not worthy of having a proper discussion with because I dont think you can even admit to yourself that you could be wrong at times.

Oh and also I didnt see that you didnt deny my deductions in what you dismissed as pop psychology, but was in effect my own observations of your behaviour and how it hasnt really changed its patterns since I last spoke to you almost two years beforehand.

 

[Symphony D.]

Mate get over yourself, I am just going to ignore ya from now on,

Good, because you can't even parse English, like when I explicitly stated I'm blasting you for being you. I don't have a desire to learn Crazy, nor do I have a desire to hold discussion with someone capable of such buffoonery. I'm just here to grind what little shreds of credibility you had left into the dirt after you tripped yourself up in your own little web of lies. That done, you may continue with playing your part. Good day.

 

[Ninja Dude]

God dang it. I keep getting excited when North King is online, hoping that today will be the day the update comes. Most of my time spent on these forums today was 1. Checking if North King was online and 2. Watching people argument over phds or somesuch.

I really need a hobby or something.

 

[North King]

You do. It won't come tonight. As I said earlier.

 

[Ninja Dude]

You do. It won't come tonight.

Oh well. Time to go ramble about gnomes in OT. That's always fun.

Edit: Wait, when did you say that earlier?

 

[North King]

I thought I mentioned I was too busy this weekend somewhere. Maybe that was on an IM with someone. Oh well.

 

[Kozmos]

I know this is completely off topic, but does anybody remember the name of skit in a which a soldier in WW1 in a trench is scared of dying and he tells his comrades and they all start laughing and imitating chicken and soon the German soldiers join in doing the same? I think it's a Monty Python sketch but I cant find it. My brains just keep flashing access denied when I try to remember. Any guesses?

 

[Dachs]

I thought I mentioned I was too busy this weekend somewhere. Maybe that was on an IM with someone. Oh well.

It was on an IM with 'someone'.

I know this is completely off topic, but does anybody remember the name of skit in a which a soldier in WW1 in a trench is scared of dying and he tells his comrades and they all start laughing and imitating chicken and soon the German soldiers join in doing the same? I think it's a Monty Python sketch but I cant find it. My brains just keep flashing access denied when I try to remember. Any guesses?

I am almost certain that it is not Blackadder. I happen to have with me a book that contains the transcripts of the first twenty episodes of Monty Python's Flying Circus, and a quick perusal of that leads me to believe that you refer to something that occurs in Meaning of Life.

 

[carmen510]

Is it the Ypres sketch by Monty Python?

I saw it before, I don't think it had Germans.

 

[Dachs]

Is it the Ypres sketch by Monty Python?

I saw it before, I don't think it had Germans.

That did not involve Germans.

 

[carmen510]

Although it was hilarious.

As I said, I didn't think it had Germans. I've checked the script just now.

 

[Kozmos]

I am almost certain that it is not Blackadder. I happen to have with me a book that contains the transcripts of the first twenty episodes of Monty Python's Flying Circus, and a quick perusal of that leads me to believe that you refer to something that occurs in Meaning of Life.

That's the thing. I've just watched the Meaning of Life and the war scene reminded me of that sketch who's name eludes me I think the Germans wore those silly helmets if anyone remembers

 

[Sheep]

I've always wondered the diffrences between American English and Australian English... in spelling and all that. Never really looked into it, but I am assuming the diveregence really orginates on the American side of things (as the other ex-British colonies eg. Australia and Canada use the same spelling as England).

Does anyone have any information on this??

Oh and Symph, to be a nice guy I will let you know that I love you too. Hope you pass English. Now that you have established that you are just trying to cause consernation over things that noone else really cares about, I'd have to say that some of the things I have thought have been proven true.

Once again this all stems from the fact that you just can't admit you are wrong, so you are then forced to derride things that do not correspond with your perceived views as wrong, crazy and the act of buffonery. Good luck with life. Its just really too bad that not everyone will let you know what they think of you, so it will take you longer to work it out.