While We Wait: The Next Generation

[North King]

I was thinking more about socio-economic structure, especially in the southern parts of the country. Those seem rather more relevant to decolonisation than the ecology.

Heh. Point taken as regards your thought process. However, ecology is extremely important in the colonization of an area -- possibly more so than the actual socioeconomic or political structures involved. Bold statement, yes, but I will stand by it. In decolonization, it is probably considerably less important, though still somewhat -- certain ecological events inextricably tie colony nations to colonizers, forcing dependence.

 

[Abaddon]

Just got G,G&S. Proving a very interesting read so far

Secondly, who likes the avvie?

 

[Ninja Dude]

Just got G,G&S. Proving a very interesting read so far

Secondly, who likes the avvie?

It is impure and vile. Only when not obscured by evil symbols of heathens will the Red Maple Leaf bring salvation to those who bear it.

And to keep this NES related, i need more people to join Bird's NES in East Asia! Seriously, Ming China and Ryukyu are the only player controled countries.

 

[Angst]

I like it Abaddon.

 

[North King]

Just got G,G&S. Proving a very interesting read so far

Nice! There are a few annoying quirks he has in there (including, most notably, a racist bias against Europeans), but for the most part it is quite informative and useful.

 

[Angst]

When you are saying "racist bias against Europeans", you are using wrong terms. Europeans are not a race, sadly.

But this is merely unnecessary nitpicking, I understand your point.

 

[Lord_Iggy]

'Caucasians' are a group which have generally spread around Europe.

 

[Angst]

I know that. But he said Europeans, not Caucasians. I just wanted to correct him, even though his actual thoughts were coherent.

(Btw I call it Kauker in Denmark. I don't know whether it's proper or not.)

 

[Abaddon]

LJ, where is you oold avie (pre-4legthing) ?

 

[Dreadnought]

Dr.NES update is posted.

 

[Angst]

@Abaddon - The habited fingers are on this computer; however, the older fingers (The christmas fingers and the vanilla ones) are on another computer. Why?

 

[Disenfrancised]

Some of the traits, yes, but enough were missing that I don't think it can be called a settler colony. At the very least it is most definitively not a Neo-Europe, in that some 85% of the population (IIRC, too lazy to look up actual figures) was and is still Native, and a minimal amount of the native biota was replaced by Eurasian plants and animals. Hell, the largest biological invasion into South Africa was that of the prickly pear cactus, which is an American plant of all things.

Ah but the larger native proportion is a more recent thing, with immigration from the rest of Southern Africa, much higher birthrates amoung Africans (the Whites rather shot themselves in the foot there with the enforced poverty causing massive demographic growth), and the turn of the century expansion into Bantu areas. 1890 Cape Colony was very much more 'neo-europe' than say Peru with 1/3 white & asian 1/3 mixed and 1/3 black and a big import of Med practices, its just things changed.

 

[Yui108]

Guns Germs and Steel fails miserably
Case 1. How the heck did the Russians conquer their entire eastern frontier then?

 

[Disenfrancised]

Guns Germs and Steel fails miserably
Case 1. How the heck did the Russians conquer their entire eastern frontier then?

Whut? They used guns and steel, something the natives lacked, plus overwhelming numbers thanks to a technologically superior crop package.

 

[North King]

When you are saying "racist bias against Europeans", you are using wrong terms. Europeans are not a race, sadly.

Sorry, I'm kind of distracted.

Ah but the larger native proportion is a more recent thing, with immigration from the rest of Southern Africa, much higher birthrates amoung Africans (the Whites rather shot themselves in the foot there with the enforced poverty causing massive demographic growth), and the turn of the century expansion into Bantu areas. 1890 Cape Colony was very much more 'neo-europe' than say Peru with 1/3 white & asian 1/3 mixed and 1/3 black and a big import of Med practices, its just things changed.

It's not all just population proportions. Most of the South African biota is still around, AFAIK, whereas New World biota was largely replaced. As for the population, a great deal of it stems from the fact that the New World native populations declined until 1890; most of the rest of the world was either constant or growing. As for Peru, that's hardly relevant, Peru is one of the least Neo-European nations in the Americas, along with Bolivia and Ecuador. The most European nations are those with the biomes most similar to Europe: Argentina, the United States, and Canada.

Guns Germs and Steel fails miserably
Case 1. How the heck did the Russians conquer their entire eastern frontier then?

...Try not to be a smart aleck (especially towards a professor of history at UCLA) unless you can actually do well at it. The Russians had Guns and Steel, and moreover they had Germs as well; a lot of the Altai and especially the Kamchatkans were devastated by disease. In Kamchatka, natives died in nearly as large a proportion as the Americas.

A.K.A:

Whut? They used guns and steel, something the natives lacked, plus overwhelming numbers thanks to a technologically superior crop package.

What he said.

 

[bombshoo]

Just out of curiosity, have we had a "census" of active NESers recently? I see a lot of new names showing up.

 

[Birdjaguar]

It's half time and Carolina is ahead 55-32!

 

[Ninja Dude]

Just out of curiosity, have we had a "census" of active NESers recently? I see a lot of new names showing up.

This sounds like a pretty interesting idea. It would be good to kow how many NESers are active and who they are. Wasn't there a thread like this a while back? (like before I was here)

 

[bombshoo]

This sounds like a pretty interesting idea. It would be good to kow how many NESers are active and who they are. Wasn't there a thread like this a while back? (like before I was here)

I think at least one has been done before, I can't remember when or what the thread would possibly be named or I'd look for it. If I recall it was around the time we moved to our own subforum. It'd be interesting to do again to see if we've grown significantly since.

 

[EQandcivfanatic]

Yeah, we need a census. I'd like to see the total amount of activity we have now ideas without counting it all up myself.