Godwynn
March to the Sea
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F*** The West ?
For The Win.
Although I like your version as well. Eastern half of the United States FTW!
White flight
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For The Win.
Although I like your version as well. Eastern half of the United States FTW!
angeleyes
mood indigo
Trajan12
Deity
That's the point. Thread done. My family left Detroit when we got the chance ASAP. Other minorities have done the same. It's not about there being too many minorities or anything.
angeleyes
mood indigo
What's about then?
>People just prefer the province above the big city and go fot it as soon as they have the money?
woody60707
Deity
Funny you say that, I have mentioned in a few other of commie's post that i believe that it is really some neocon (not sure if i said Red Stranger by name or not) trying to make the left(far left?) look bad.
LOL, i am really getting some good laughs out of this thread.
Drewcifer
Agent of Karma
It is about not wanting to live in a neighborhood where there are muggings and shootings on a regular basis. If you had children would you want to raise them in that environment? In places like Detroit it isn't white flight anymore but rather everybody with money trying to get out.
Not every big city in the US is like that though and white flight happened to different degrees in different places. Anyway it is less of an issue today than it was in the 60s and 70s. Back then it was driven by racism, busing, the riots and the social changes in the culture brought about by the 60s. In the 30s and 40s when my parents were growing up in Chicago they didn't lock their doors, by 1970 there were junkies passed out on their sidewalk.
Most big cities seem to have weathered the storm though and are now rebounding with growing populations or have at least stablized. Despite rmsharpe's ridiculous assertion Minneapolis is doing very well, many central cities are seeing their biggest housing booms since before WWII. Places like Detroit and St Louis are still behind the curve though.
angeleyes
mood indigo
I've heard NY has become much safer last 10 years, is that true?
Gogf
Indescribable
Yes, I would say that a sizable portion of the population prefers to live in a suburban environment than a rural one, regardless of minorities.
Erik Mesoy
Core Tester / Intern
And while we're on that topic, do you think RS was an attempt by a flaming liberal to make the far right look bad?
Drewcifer
Agent of Karma
Indeed, it now has one of the lowest murder rates for a large American city. It might be related to the fact that the poor are being priced out of large swathes of the city.
angeleyes
mood indigo
What i heard on dutch radio it was cause of zero-tolerance policy ?
I dunno. garric was a better act.
Drewcifer
Agent of Karma
It is hard to say. It had a zero tolerance policy while the crime was going down but crime was going down in most large American cities at the time regardless of policy. Police chiefs and mayors always like to take credit for these things and they probably do help around the margins but I think it was more a reflection of what was going on in the broader society. Crack cocaine was becomming less popular after it's peak in the 80s. Unemployment was really low in the 90s because of strong economic growth. It was easier for young people on the margins of society to get jobs than it was in the 80s (or now). Minorities had strong income growth in the 90s, people are less likely to persue a life of crime if they think they can make it into the middle class through legitimate routes.
I've seen it in working class towns, like Berwyn but that's changing fast, but in the upper middle class town of Oak Park the opposite happened and like Evanston is known for its diversity and high property values.
It's why I live in the city. Diversity. Two blocks from Cabrini Green, $6 million homes walk to work and cab and el for everything else.
I think you need to get out of your California cul de sac bubble. Is it good that many blacks are leaving their communties because their success is frowned upon? Nope. Is it good that first generation immigrants made up the largest purchasers of homes in Cook County (primarily suburban purchases) over the last five years? Yep.
I am a product of one of the most diverse urban suburban communities in Chicago. It's helped me in life more than I can explain. Today, most people can't afford to live there now.
What does this mean?
I've noticed a ton of empty nesters moving back into the city.
The vast majority of my friends with children are planning to stay in the city so their children can have a greater education than just education.
I think Inquisitor fit that mold better.
In fact, they may be the same 15 year old boy, devoted sole into torturing us fools of the OT.
Drewcifer
Agent of Karma
In my old neighborhood in St Paul white flight made the neighborhood safer and more pleasant to live in. When I moved there in 1991 it was mostly ghetto white trash thugs, now they have generally been replaced by working class blacks, latinos and Hmong. Crime has gone down.
I dunno. Inquisitor was more articulate. At the very least, the guy who made him up would be a genius.
Masquerouge
Deity
Some say it's because of the legalization of abortion.
Just because this thread was not controversial enough
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legalized_abortion_and_crime_effect
CCA
Emperor
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Nah, Can't be.
The Civfanatics tracks IP adresses, I tried to start another account, but that one got shut down so it can't be
