Gelion
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I dont know if it matters for you Bronx, butBronx Warlord said:
to you for these two paragraphs...
Who is Hezbollah? I'll tell you who they are ...
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to you for these two paragraphs...Bronx Warlord
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Azash said:
I'd say a combination of all three really.
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Gelion said:I dont know if it matters for you Bronx, but
Thanks, and it does
greenpeace
Peacelord
greekguy said:
It is far more naive to think that we can go on just creating more and more violence. The more you try to kill the more the other side will retailiate and increase violence. Sure, their might be civilian deaths at the start, but its much better than an endless cycle in which civilians will continue to die until we stop the violence. Continueing this violence will make civilian deaths rise, and rise till it is unsafe to live. Let me ask you this, would you prefer a couple thousand possible civilian deaths, or endless train of cycle of civilian deaths. Eventually, if we do not srop fighting our weapons and our force will become stronger and stronger and things like antimatter bombs (yes they are a reality and are currently being researched by the military) are invented and they level nations. Violence will not end violence.
Why do even ask me about whether we should have declared war on Japan? Of course not! Especially considereing it ended up with 70,000 thousand civilians instantly dieing and 70,000 more dieing from rafioactive poisoning, and a city being obliterated. The war against Japan was a perfect example of how violence led to more violence which led to not just a couple thousand deaths, but hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths.
Death, especially at the hands of violence, is a sad and tragic thing and its going to only increase as we continue extreme violence.
We may not get everyone to end all their hate instantly, but we may at the very least, end alot of extreme hate against a huge group of people.
greekguy
Missed the Boat
greenpeace said:
that's a loaded question and you know it. of course ideally the first option sounds better, but that would mean the government of a nation would have to refuse to defend its citizens. that is unacceptable and no leader of any country would be willing to let terrorists walk in and kill thousands. thus, we're left with your second option, which can be better than you think, by minimizing our enemie's abilities to kill us (by killing some of them).
More people would've died if we didn't declare war on Japan after Pearl Harbor because the Japanese would've have then taken over all of East Asia and killed hundreds of thousands of civilians themselves.
Violence and war are part of human nature. As long as there are people on this planet and as long as those people are split into groups (race, religion, culture, etc.) violence will exist. it is a noble goal to end all violence, but a futile one. one can only hope to minimize senseless violence, not try to end it.
Admiral Kutzov
Idiot Emeritus
great, ok, terrorists, go kill great numbers of my friends and relatives. I forgive u. Go fly into more buildings. Let's have a group hug. In 10 years we can all sing campfire songs togethor.
Leatherneck
Drive-by poster.
Admiral Kutzov said:
Have you been reading my play book, LOL I think I said the same thing except I choose "Kumbaya" instead of campfire songs, but those would work too. Don't forget the group lighting of candles.
greenpeace
Peacelord
If we continue the violence the only thing that is going to happen is that more people will die, more tradegy will occur and the world will become more and more hopeless. Their is no question, if we end our support of violence and hate there will be far fewer deaths in the not-so-distant- future. It is very naive to think we can just go on in this violent hateful manner.greekguy said:
We could have peacefully solved it, it was just that people were to hate-filled and violent to be rational.greekguy said:
If we try to make a huge global effort to end war it can happen, and it is a reality. What can't happen is continual violence because eventually our destructive power will rise untill we have discovered things like antimatter bombs (yes they are real and they are being researched by the military-thankfully antimatter is, at this point, the most expensive substance at around 12 trillion dollars a gram) that will be able to destroy nations. The very least we should do is stop supporting the hate-filled way of life.greekguy said:
Admiral Kutzov said:
This is extremely short sided, yes at the beginning some "terroists" might do damage to us in the very beginning, although it wouldn't be to severe-if anything less severe- since all we are doing is stopping propaganda and war. If you actually were to use your brain you could see that the major cause for "terroism" is retailiation and if we don't attack them then they won't retailate and thus violence would decrease. If we continue what weare doing we will only get attacked more frequently and more severly. Thus when we attack people we are saying:
Admiral Kutzov said:
greenpeace
Peacelord
Wow, are you even thinking and reading what I am saying or are you just trying to think of more ways to insult me? Not that I am taking any offense of course (honestly, whenever anyone insults me-assuming its funny- I laugh, if its not funny I just say whatever).Leatherneck said:
Leatherneck
Drive-by poster.
greenpeace said:
I'm not trying to or aiming to insult you in any way. You are not being singled out. I admire you stunch position and stedfastness to your belief. Just really don't think it's going to work that's all, it's great idea .. but man not ready for it.
greenpeace
Peacelord
Humans are ready for it, we can do it and the sooner we try the sooner we are going to pull out of what will become an extreme global disaster.Leatherneck said:
Rambuchan
The Funky President
Oh, just look at the absence of any kind of reasoning, the failure to understand the enemy, the lack of empathy, the received vision of the situation and the wilful omission of one side's actions. What bliss ignorance must be!Admiral Kutzov said:
This just in from Hizbollah:
"great, ok, imperial invaders, go kill great numbers of my friends and relatives, invade my lands. I forgive u. Go drop more bombs on my children in schools, hospitals and homes. Let's have a group hug. In 10 years we can all sing campfire songs togethor."
Leatherneck
Drive-by poster.
Rambuchan said:Oh, just look at the absence of any kind of reasoning, the failure to understand the enemy, the lack of empathy, the received vision of the situation and the wilful omission of one side's actions. What bliss ignorance must be!
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In terms of Israeli/Arab relations?
Did the "west" TRY to reason with the PLO?
OLSO Accords ring a bell? (... and some 12 other agreements.)
Did the "west" TRY to understand their plight?
Who screwed it up? (Hint: Really ugly PLO guy.)
Why would Hezbollah be any different considering their rhetoric?
If you listen to Iran/Hezbollah et. al. the only REASONING they want is the total removal and distruction of Israel and all that is infidel for the most part.
Granted there is so much crap flying around the press I'm not sure either side knows what they want, other than to destroy one another. So let them, their not going to be happy any other way.
greenpeace
Peacelord
Leatherneck said:
That isn't true, all this war can be prevented its just that at least one side needs to let go of their hatred and gain some reasoning, it can happen and encouraging anyything else is just slowing the process down
p.s. unfortunently I won't be able to argue since the nearest internet connection or for that matter, computer will very far away (I will rarely even get electicity, lol). See my sig.
