Who is to blame for starting the Iraq war?

Who is to blame?


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chrisrossi said:
Who went to war with Iraq initally?

Spoiler Obvious Answer 1 :
America


Who is to blame for starting the Iraq war?

Spoiler Obvious Answer 2 :
America


It's really that simple.

America did not start the war. The war has already been declared by Saddam Huesssin when he violated UN rules, exploited oil for food and mistreated his people.

When a policeman goes after a criminal, it's not the policeman who started the struggle, it's the criminal who started it by doing the crime. REMEMBER THAT!!! Similarly, when the world police goes after the world criminal, it's not the world police that started it, it's the world criminal who is at fault.
 
Red Stranger said:
America did not start the war. The war has already been declared by Saddam Huesssin when he violated UN rules, exploited oil for food and mistreated his people.

When a policeman goes after a criminal, it's not the policeman who started the struggle, it's the criminal who started it by doing the crime. REMEMBER THAT!!! Similarly, when the world police goes after the world criminal, it's not the world police that started it, it's the world criminal who is at fault.

Who actually started the war? Did Iraq start invading America? Please, I said that in the post, read it.
 
chrisrossi said:
Read the post properly. :rolleyes:

I actually said "initially".
I did and you still left out about 12 nations from your list.
 
chrisrossi said:
Who actually started the war? Did Iraq start invading America? Please, I said that in the post, read it.

Saddam Huessin started the war by doing all those things. The person that started the war isn't necessary the person who make the first strike. He declared war on us, and we strike first because we are quicker to react.
 
Red Stranger said:
The war has already been declared by Saddam Huesssin when he violated UN rules, exploited oil for food and mistreated his people.

The same U.N. you want to have no part of?
 
Red Stranger said:
America did not start the war. The war has already been declared by Saddam Huesssin when he violated UN rules, exploited oil for food and mistreated his people.

When a policeman goes after a criminal, it's not the policeman who started the struggle, it's the criminal who started it by doing the crime. REMEMBER THAT!!! Similarly, when the world police goes after the world criminal, it's not the world police that started it, it's the world criminal who is at fault.

Of course, the fact that the UN vote went so much against you and the fact that none of your tennants for the war were ultimatelly supported, no evidence of terrorism or WMD's; aw cmon you just wanted war so bad you were prepared to sidestep any reasonable justification and we all know it, let's be honest here, don't lie to yourself. Saddam was a criminal but not for the reasons you gave, you have come across as the bigger criminal because you lied consistently. Honour is paramount here and you had none.
 
Godwynn said:
The same U.N. you want to have no part of?

That's not true. The US wants to make the UN more effective in dealing with world criminals. The US doesn't want to disassociate itself with the UN.
 
Other--Saddam

We never asked for UN permission to go into Bosnia either and it was the right thing to do.
 
Red Stranger said:
Saddam, of course. If he didn't treat his people so badly, we wouldn't need to get involved.

Yeah like sending old Rumsfield to meet with him.
Afterwards Rumsfield reported that the Iraqis were "very pleased" with the visit

Someone was an enabler. :crazyeye:
 
Red Stranger said:
That's not true. The US wants to make the UN more effective in dealing with world criminals. The US doesn't want to disassociate itself with the UN.

Sure the Bush administration treated the UN with such comptempt.
Only at the urging of Collin Powell they they engage the UN at all.

Not to mention the US repersentative was left empty for what 5months (4months ?) without a suitable replacement. Ultimately it allow nations in which the US normally curtail to take control over vital chairmenships of the UN. (Which highlights how vital the US is to world poltics)

Only now it the US valuing the UN and getting around to diplomacy, real diplomacy.
 
Sidhe said:
Of course, the fact that the UN vote went so much against you and the fact that none of your tennants for the war were ultimatelly supported, no evidence of terrorism or WMD's;

I sense some revisionist history at work here. The UN Vote didnt go "so much against us"....thats just totally false. Bottom line, the only security council member that was adamant about not going to war to force Saddam to comply was France.

Given the fact that Hans Blix himself stated that he could not say with full authority that Iraq had indeed destroyed all of its programs made the situation with Iraq untenable.

I think you need to go back and study up on what was actually going on at the time.

aw cmon you just wanted war so bad you were prepared to sidestep any reasonable justification and we all know it, let's be honest here, don't lie to yourself. Saddam was a criminal but not for the reasons you gave, you have come across as the bigger criminal because you lied consistently. Honour is paramount here and you had none.

Full stop. What lie are you referring to? The WMD? Pretty much the entire UN thought he had WMD so thats not a lie. Even Blix himself couldnt say that Saddam had indeed complied with the UN resolutions...so where is the lie?
 
FriendlyFire said:
Yeah like sending old Rumsfield to meet with him.
Afterwards Rumsfield reported that the Iraqis were "very pleased" with the visit

Someone was an enabler. :crazyeye:

Oh so typical of the out of context crowd. Do you know why he went?

Tell me FF...who were the main arms suppliers of Iraq during that period?
 
Well primarily it is the commander in chief who ordered it. Additionally you have the entire US political and legal system, American public and the pathetic UN who failed to prevent the atrocity. If you want to look at the causes you need to look at the industrial military complex, the project for the new American century and the chronic fear generated by our governments as part of the war on terror.
 
MobBoss said:
Oh so typical of the out of context crowd. Do you know why he went?


Donald Rumsfeld meeting Saddam on 19 December – 20 December 1983. Rumsfeld visited again on 24 March 1984; the same day the UN released a report that Iraq had used mustard gas and tabun nerve agent against Iranian troops. The NY Times reported from Baghdad on 29 March 1984, that "American diplomats pronounce themselves satisfied with Iraq and the U.S., and suggest that normal diplomatic ties have been established in all but name
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MobBoss said:
Tell me FF...who were the main arms suppliers of Iraq during that period?


The U.S. sold Iraq $200 million in helicopters which were used by the Iraqi military in the war. These were the only direct U.S.-Iraqi military sales and were valued to be about 0.6% of Iraq's conventional weapons imports during the war.[29] Ted Koppel of ABC Nightline however on June 9, 1992 reported: "It is becoming increasingly clear that George Bush Sr., operating largely behind the scenes throughout the 1980's, initiated and supported much of the financing, intelligence, and military help that built Saddam's Iraq into [an aggressive power]" And “Reagan/Bush administrations permitted — and frequently encouraged — the flow of money, agricultural credits, dual-use technology, chemicals, and weapons to Iraq.”

U.S. was also responsible for indirect transfer of arms to Iraq and Reagan Administration secretly began to allow Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Egypt to transfer to Iraq U.S. howitzers, helicopters, bombs and other weapons.[30] Reagan personally asked Italy’s Prime Minister Guilio Andreotti to channel arms to Iraq.[31]

The U.S., UK, and Germany also provided "dual use" technology (computers, engines, etc) that allowed Iraq to expand its missile program and radar defenses. The U.S. Commerce department, in violation of procedure, gave out licenses to companies for $1.5 billion dual-use items to be sent to Iraq. The State Department was not informed of this. Over one billion of these authorized items were trucks that were never delivered. The rest consisted of advanced technology. Iraq's Soviet-made Scuds had their ranges expanded as a result.[32]


Same source you used to show that 61% of weapons came from the USSR
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Iraq_War

EDIT: No acurate figures showing the TOTAL US Aid to Iraq, But given yjay had the trucks been delivered it would have made the US the third largest contributore.
 
It's evident that George W. Bush and his buddies misled us unto this war for oil and corporate profits. Because the attacks of 9/11 were still fresh in everyone's minds, getting approval for the war was easy even though there is no proof of a tie between Saddam and the 9/11 terror plot.
 
taillesskangaru said:
Who's to blame for the Iraq War? Osama Bin Laden, that's who. He's the person who by crashing planes into buildings gave Bush an excuse to start the so-called War on Terror.

So if one of your trashy neighbors comes over and starts a fight on my front lawn, I'm supposed to go to your place and confront you about it?
 
Murky said:
It's evident that George W. Bush and his buddies misled us unto this war for oil and corporate profits. Because the attacks of 9/11 were still fresh in everyone's minds, getting approval for the war was easy even though there is no proof of a tie between Saddam and the 9/11 terror plot.
Care to show the evidence to directly link the war to oil and profits.
 
skadistic said:
Care to show the evidence to directly link the war to oil and profits.

Easy. Most of the world's oil reserves are in the middle east. Much of that is in Iraq. No bid contract for Cheney's company Haliburton. Huge no bid contracts with other military contractors that have ties to Washington lobbyists.
 
Murky said:
Easy. Most of the world's oil reserves are in the middle east. Much of that is in Iraq. No bid contract for Cheney's company Haliburton. Huge no bid contracts with other military contractors that have ties to Washington lobbyists.
So you have no Evidence that
Bush and his buddies misled us unto this war for oil and corporate profits.
 
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