Who Needs Pluto Anyway?

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When we could have Tyche!

From the Independent:
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The hunt is on for a gas giant up to four times the mass of Jupiter thought to be lurking in the outer Oort Cloud, the most remote region of the solar system. The orbit of Tyche (pronounced ty-kee), would be 15,000 times farther from the Sun than the Earth's, and 375 times farther than Pluto's, which is why it hasn't been seen so far.

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Tyche will almost certainly be made up mostly of hydrogen and helium and will probably have an atmosphere much like Jupiter's, with colourful spots and bands and clouds, Professor Whitmire said. "You'd also expect it to have moons. All the outer planets have them," he added.

What will make it stand out in the Wise data is its temperature, predicted to be around -73C, four or five times warmer than Pluto. "The heat is left over from its formation," Professor Whitmire said. "It takes an object this size a long time to cool off."

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Professors Matese and Whitmire first proposed the existence of Tyche to explain why many of these long-period comets were coming from the wrong direction. In their latest paper, published in the February issue of Icarus, the international journal of solar system studies, they report that more than 20 per cent too many of the long-period comets observed since 1898 arrive from a band circling the sky at a higher angle than predicted by the galactic-tide theory.

No other proposal has been put forward to explain this anomaly since it was first suggested 12 years ago. But the Tyche hypothesis does have one flaw. Conventional theory holds that the gas giant should also dislodge comets from the inner Oort Cloud, but these have not been observed.

Professor Matese suggests this may be because these comets have already been tugged out of their orbits and, after several passes through the inner solar system, have faded to the point that they are much harder to detect.

Keep in mind that the planet is not proven to exist and is only theoretical atm.

Mods: if in this belongs more in Science & Tech please move.
 
Something like this would take decades to prove. The orbit of the planet would be enormous, the distance to this orbit would be enormous and you couldn't be sure it would be there when the probe got there, and if you have the orbit wrong, you'd never see it. It would take absolute lottery winner-style luck to stumble across this thing even if you were trying to. I bet this is not found for at least 100 years, even if it does exist.
 
Its kinda like getting a new girlfriend who, despite being much better, you just don't like as much as your old one...

I don't know, I always seem to move on to the one that kills millions of my inhabitants after one of her cycles, and they always seem to be more fun.
 
Something like this would take decades to prove. The orbit of the planet would be enormous, the distance to this orbit would be enormous and you couldn't be sure it would be there when the probe got there, and if you have the orbit wrong, you'd never see it. It would take absolute lottery winner-style luck to stumble across this thing even if you were trying to. I bet this is not found for at least 100 years, even if it does exist.

You needn't see it to demonstrate it's there.
 
Something like this would take decades to prove. The orbit of the planet would be enormous, the distance to this orbit would be enormous and you couldn't be sure it would be there when the probe got there, and if you have the orbit wrong, you'd never see it. It would take absolute lottery winner-style luck to stumble across this thing even if you were trying to. I bet this is not found for at least 100 years, even if it does exist.

Depends. If it's real, it might be big and (relatively) hot enough to spot it in the analysis of the pictures the Wide-field Infrared Survey Explorer took before we had to shut it down about two weeks ago. If it's there, that settles the debate. If not, then yeah, it's going to be a pain to settle whether or not the thing exists.
 
So a planet Tyche that may not exist is a planet; but planet Pluto was a planet for 80 years is now not a planet? I call shenanigans.

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Why is this in a newspaper? The Planet X Hypothesis is over a hundred years old... :confused:

Edit: Wait, wait, I looked it up. The Planet X Hypothesis was disproved in the 1990s, and this is a new, coincidentally similar hypothesis. My bad.
 
Why is this in a newspaper? The Planet X Hypothesis is over a hundred years old... :confused:

The guys behind Tyche are actual astronomers, and they have some semi-decent numbers. Phil Plait, who's my go to guy for junk astronomy debunking, doesn't think their data constitutes proof, but apparently there's no real problem with their math.

EDIT: Nevermind
 
Lots of candidates for "Planet X" have been suggested throughout the 20th century, and the idea of a previously-unseen gas giant beyond Pluto isn't a new idea either.

I'll wait for the proof.
 
Something like this would take decades to prove. The orbit of the planet would be enormous, the distance to this orbit would be enormous and you couldn't be sure it would be there when the probe got there, and if you have the orbit wrong, you'd never see it. It would take absolute lottery winner-style luck to stumble across this thing even if you were trying to. I bet this is not found for at least 100 years, even if it does exist.
We don't need a probe! We just need a good enough infrared telescope. Even if WISE doesn't spot it (and it indeed exists), a future telescope would likely work well enough, especially if specifically designed for this task.
 
So a planet Tyche that may not exist is a planet; but planet Pluto was a planet for 80 years is now not a planet? I call shenanigans.

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This picture explains a lot of what's wrong with America today.
 
So a planet Tyche that may not exist is a planet
It would be interesting to see how IAU classifies it. The thing seems to me to be more like a [wiki]Sub-brown dwarf[/wiki] then the other planets.
 
Thread needs this.

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I just think it's funny that somehow reclassifying Pluto makes it go away or makes it uninteresting. Pluto is still a fascinating object (albeit not a particularly unique one)
 
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